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    R6 Les Paul finish problem

    Hello everyone. I’ve got a R6 Les Paul Goldtop. Long story short, bought it new via my friend in US (I’m not from US) and could not check this guitar myself in the shop at the time. When I finally got it I’ve noticed some weird problems with the top finish. Was wondering what could cause it and finally decided to ask you guys if anyone has any thoughts or experienced similar problems. The problem is – there is a noticeable pattern of lines in the finish, you can see it between the pickups and in the knobs and bridge area. Photos attached. I’m trying not to worry about it too much, but I have to say it is a pretty disappointing flaw from a new guitar though.

    I would appreciate any thoughts on this.
    Thanks a lot. IMG_4512.jpgIMG_8301.jpgIMG_8322.jpgIMG_8326.jpgIMG_8327.jpg
    Last edited by John375; 06-12-19 at 07:58 PM.

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    Re: R6 Les Paul finish problem

    Son, that there ain't a problem. Thar be a treasure trove 'neath that gold paint! (Typed with a pirate accent...yar!)

    That's some serious tiger/flame maple underneath the gold paint! It is so flamed that its contours are creating that rippling effect in the gold. One can actually feel the flame of the maple top on the flamiest sunburst Les Pauls.

    Avast! Thar be gold under that...um...gold.


    (In other words, this is not a flaw, it is a very, very cool aspect of your R6! You have gotten very lucky!)
    Last edited by brandtkronholm; 06-13-19 at 07:42 AM.

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    Re: R6 Les Paul finish problem

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    Thats Supa flame it was it so flamer they painted it , lessoning degrading of the R9's !! Flame on Brethren !!!
    Ive never confused owning a bunch of high end gear with being some kind of a guitar player I'm a hack and I love guitars !

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    Re: R6 Les Paul finish problem

    Yep

    It might look “imperfect” and technically it is, but you lucky S.O.B. Got yer self a VERY cool gold over heavy flame Les Paul there bud!!

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    As others have said you got some flamed maple underneath the gold finish on the top . Usually on solid color finishes you get plain maple . I can't speak for others but you got yourself some very desirable premium flamed maple . Enjoy that beauty and I would love to know how she plays and sounds please ?

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    So you should strip that gold paint and refinish it ASAP to bring out those flames!

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    Re: R6 Les Paul finish problem

    Quote Originally Posted by StreetPreacher View Post
    So you should strip that gold paint and refinish it ASAP to bring out those flames!
    NO! Do not do this! (Unless you really want to, it your guitar, after all.) It is a fine Gold Top! The fact that there's nice wood under the paint is a cool feature but not rare or worth the trouble of "'Bursting" an innocent R6. Who knows why Gibson decided it should be a Gold Top? Maybe there's a flaw that the gold is hiding!

    (Historically, this is what happened to some '50s Gold Tops back in the late '60s and '70s. A luthier would see the ripples of the tiger maple under the gold paint of say, a 1955 Les Paul (or the maple might be exposed if the gold was worn away in some areas) and decide to strip it and convert it into a 'Burst.) The more ripples of maple visible under the gold paint meant that some perfectly fine '50s Gold Top Les Pauls had a short life expectancy as an original Gold Top.



    ...should Gold Top be capitalized? I feel like it should be...

    Gold Top vs. gold top

    Hmmm...

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    Re: R6 Les Paul finish problem

    Quote Originally Posted by StreetPreacher View Post
    So you should strip that gold paint and refinish it ASAP to bring out those flames!
    Almost all goldtops are over flame. It is common with Historics.
    The older I get, the better I was.

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    Re: R6 Les Paul finish problem

    KEEPER!


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    Looks to me like the treble side is flamed, but the bass side is not. I would not strip it and refinish. I would leave it gold and play the heck out of it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by StreetPreacher View Post
    So you should strip that gold paint and refinish it ASAP to bring out those flames!
    I'll have to remember to ring a bell first the next time I try to make a joke around here ;)

    If anyone thought I was serious, then no, my advice is to definitely not refinish this guitar... lol

    Anyway, the bottom line seems to be that this isn't a problem, and is completely normal, and if you don't like it personally then there appear to be a few people around here who would be more than willing to take this guitar off your hands, you might even be able to make a profit.

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    Re: R6 Les Paul finish problem

    Man.. Thanks everyone for the replies. Honestly I was thinking about the flame underneath too, but could not understand why wouldn’t they use a plain maple underneath the paint instead. So I was sure that it is a sanding or polishing flaw or something like that.

    Checked the top again, tiger flame maple is more or less visible everywhere on the top surface, under the pickguard also, etc. (except for the opposite side of the knobs, the upper/bass opposite side of the guitar, maybe the lacquer layer is thick enough in this particular area).

    It’s a sweet sounding guitar, plays great, love p90s. Though I feel like I am stuck with it, don’t really know what to decide. Actually I own it for quite some time already, just finally decided to write here to hear some thoughts. Whether I should sell it and buy another guitar (and sell it as it is?, well..) or refinish it in different color (or should I just bring out the flames?, though there has to be a reason for hiding it underneath the paint). So maybe it’s a great opportunity to customize my Les Paul guitar. But the problem here is that I’m not sure that I can find qualified enough personnel to perform fine refinishing.


    Anyway thanks again for the replies!
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    Re: R6 Les Paul finish problem

    Quote Originally Posted by John375 View Post
    Man.. Thanks everyone for the replies. Honestly I was thinking about the flame underneath too, but could not understand why wouldnít they use a plain maple underneath the paint instead. So I was sure that it is a grinding or polishing flaw or something like that.

    Checked the top again, tiger flame maple is more or less visible everywhere on the top surface, under the pickguard also, etc. (except for the opposite side of the knobs, the upper/bass opposite side of the guitar, maybe the lacquer layer is thick enough in this particular area).

    Itís a sweet sounding guitar, plays great, love p90s. Though I feel like I am stuck with it, donít really know what to decide. Actually I own it for quite some time already, just finally decided to write here to hear some thoughts. Whether I should sell it and buy another guitar (and sell it as it is?, well..) or refinish it in different color (or should I just bring out the flames?, though there has to be a reason for hiding it underneath the paint). So maybe itís a great opportunity to customize my Les Paul guitar. But the problem here is that Iím not sure that I can find qualified enough personnel to perform fine refinishing.


    Anyway thanks again for the replies!
    Just my 2 cents so please take it with a grain of salt , but I think she is a beauty as she is and if you like her tone and how she plays keep her , but if you have thoughts of selling her if you refinish her the value of the guitar changes as in lower value as she will no longer have her factory finish .

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    Re: R6 Les Paul finish problem

    Why not take a pic of the control cavity so we can see what it looks like?

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    Quote Originally Posted by John375 View Post
    though there has to be a reason for hiding it underneath the paint). So maybe it’s a great opportunity to customize my Les Paul guitar. But the problem here is that I’m not sure that I can find qualified enough personnel to perform fine refinishing.


    Anyway thanks again for the replies!
    Only refinish if you're interesting in customizing the guitar for yourself... If you have any plans to sell it, just leave it as is!

    And they're not necessarily trying to hide anything, sometimes really nice flame tops just end up on the assembly line for solid painted guitars...

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    Control cavity pics, looks flamy indeed.
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    Re: R6 Les Paul finish problem

    enjoy it, thatís a really cool look

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    Quote Originally Posted by AA00475Bassman View Post
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    Thats Supa flame it was it so flamer they painted it , lessoning degrading of the R9's !! Flame on Brethren !!!
    Beaver Boy

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    you think yours is bad ..? Look at the state of mine !!24232026_10213204178873428_8942484556722665068_n.jpg

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    Re: R6 Les Paul finish problem

    Quote Originally Posted by coctonut View Post
    you think yours is bad ..? Look at the state of mine !!24232026_10213204178873428_8942484556722665068_n.jpg
    Two different situations .
    Ive never confused owning a bunch of high end gear with being some kind of a guitar player I'm a hack and I love guitars !

    He thinks the mirror is a photo of a clown ?

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    Re: R6 Les Paul finish problem

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    Last edited by Elliot Easton; 06-16-19 at 09:44 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elliot Easton View Post
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    I've read your post, I agree with you. Yes, of course I'd like it to be perfect, years ago I was reading literally everything I could find about these guitars, deciding between R4 and R6 and all that.
    So yeah, I was disappointed when finally got it.

    And thanks to you guys, now I've learned about flame tops underneath the gold.
    I'll think about it all, thanks again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by John375 View Post
    I've read your post, I agree with you. Yes, of course I'd like it to be perfect, years ago I was reading literally everything I could find about these guitars, deciding between R4 and R6 and all that.
    So yeah, I was disappointed when finally got it.

    And thanks to you guys, now I've learned about flame tops underneath the gold.
    I'll think about it all, thanks again.
    IMHO: Assuming you read "everything" and grok'd... you shouldn't feel disappointed; just tickled that hidden flamed maple is a normal good thing, thin nitro, too.

    My advice: thank your friend, keep and enjoy your hidden flame-thrower Goldie. Nuthin' WRONG with it, everything right... unless it gnaws at your brain, and changing our thoughts can be the path to enlightenment. It's a beauty!

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    Re: R6 Les Paul finish problem

    The man speaks truth. Enjoy!
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    Quote Originally Posted by jb_abides View Post
    IMHO: Assuming you read "everything" and grok'd... you shouldn't feel disappointed; just tickled that hidden flamed maple is a normal good thing, thin nitro, too.

    My advice: thank your friend, keep and enjoy your hidden flame-thrower Goldie. Nuthin' WRONG with it, everything right... unless it gnaws at your brain, and changing our thoughts can be the path to enlightenment. It's a beauty!
    +1

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    Re: R6 Les Paul finish problem

    Quote Originally Posted by brandtkronholm View Post
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    Ive never confused owning a bunch of high end gear with being some kind of a guitar player I'm a hack and I love guitars !

    He thinks the mirror is a photo of a clown ?

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    Re: R6 Les Paul finish problem

    I'll take it!

    Loves me R6s.

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    Re: R6 Les Paul finish problem

    I'm sure in the minority on this. I find nothing attractive about a messed up, uneven goldtop paint job. Nor do I see any value in some imagined-to-be-beautiful (?) unmatched and invisible flame figure beneath the gold. It's neither a good goldtop nor an attractive flame. If quirkiness has some interest or curiosity value, fine; not to me. Just because something's uncommon doesn't mean its good. I'm pretty sure that ripply goldtops are rare because they are, or used to be, considered defective. The guitar's not supposed to look like that. Just my opinion; obviously, many here think it's great. I don't understand why, but that's what makes this stuff interesting.

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