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    '71 LP Deluxe strange feature .

    1. Hi, I bought this LP brand new in London '71, as is . It was a new delivery and had been in the shop 2 days and hung on the wall along with a Custom BB .I am trying to sell this guitar at the moment and I'm getting a lot of flak about these plastic rings around the Tailpiece studs which were on there when I bought it. I'm being accused of tampering and covering up .Has anyone ever seen this or can explain these rings .I've looked at thousands of photo and never seen them on another LP. Did Gibson change bridge/tailpiece suppliers at any time due to shortages and were the guitars already prepped for components that had a different Spec to the new supplier ??? Appreciate any help . I contacted Gibson and got a Don't Know and await a reply from Gruhn NY .


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    Re: '71 LP Deluxe strange feature .

    Quote Originally Posted by Spino View Post
    1. Hi, I bought this LP brand new in London '71, as is . It was a new delivery and had been in the shop 2 days and hung on the wall along with a Custom BB .I am trying to sell this guitar at the moment and I'm getting a lot of flak about these plastic rings around the Tailpiece studs which were on there when I bought it. I'm being accused of tampering and covering up .Has anyone ever seen this or can explain these rings .I've looked at thousands of photo and never seen them on another LP. Did Gibson change bridge/tailpiece suppliers at any time due to shortages and were the guitars already prepped for components that had a different Spec to the new supplier ??? Appreciate any help . I contacted Gibson and got a Don't Know and await a reply from Gruhn NY .

    No picture?

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    Re: '71 LP Deluxe strange feature .

    Quote Originally Posted by Spino View Post
    1. Hi, I bought this LP brand new in London '71, as is . It was a new delivery and had been in the shop 2 days and hung on the wall along with a Custom BB .I am trying to sell this guitar at the moment and I'm getting a lot of flak about these plastic rings around the Tailpiece studs which were on there when I bought it. I'm being accused of tampering and covering up .Has anyone ever seen this or can explain these rings .I've looked at thousands of photo and never seen them on another LP. Did Gibson change bridge/tailpiece suppliers at any time due to shortages and were the guitars already prepped for components that had a different Spec to the new supplier ??? Appreciate any help . I contacted Gibson and got a Don't Know and await a reply from Gruhn NY .

    Better to post this in the Sunburst pub [correct area for this guitar].
    Also, post a photo or two.

    And what is "Gruhn NY"?
    Did he open a second shop in New York?
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    Re: '71 LP Deluxe strange feature .

    I`ve seen the rings on 1973`s

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    Re: '71 LP Deluxe strange feature .

    Quote Originally Posted by guitplayer View Post
    I`ve seen the rings on 1973`s
    Oh! Really ? And do you have an explanation???

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    Re: '71 LP Deluxe strange feature .

    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Wittrock View Post
    Better to post this in the Sunburst pub [correct area for this guitar].
    Also, post a photo or two.

    And what is "Gruhn NY"?
    Did he open a second shop in New York?
    Gruhns Guitars vintage specialists. Yeah ! Photos I've got but I can't figure out how to Upload them .
    It's a Goldtop not a Sunburst .

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    Re: '71 LP Deluxe strange feature .

    Quote Originally Posted by cds1951 View Post
    No picture?
    I did try but after 1/2 hr , frustration set in and the blue box with the ? appearted on upload .

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    Re: '71 LP Deluxe strange feature .

    I've seen black plastic rings that go around the stop tailpiece mounts on early 70s Gibsons (LPs and SGs), they are "goof rings" for lack of a better term which is also used for the rings Gibson put around the LP Deluxe pick-ups.

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    Re: '71 LP Deluxe strange feature .

    Adding to observations noted for pickup and tailpiece studs, these ‘goof’ rings were also used for ABR bridge studs.

    I have a set of black goof rings for tailpiece studs sitting in a bin on my workbench.

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    Re: '71 LP Deluxe strange feature .

    Quote Originally Posted by Spino View Post
    Gruhns Guitars vintage specialists. Yeah ! Photos I've got but I can't figure out how to Upload them .
    It's a Goldtop not a Sunburst .
    The Sunburst pub is a general area for all Gibson Les Pauls. This area where you posted [Vintage pub] is for 1950s era Les Pauls. If you will read the descriptions of the different Forum areas it will make more sense.
    And the reason for posting in the correct area is to reach more members who are familiar with your subject. It is okay to post in the wrong area [except advertising your guitars], but it works better if you post in the correct area.

    Gruhn Guitars has always been in Nashville, so I did not understand why you put NY there.
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    Re: '71 LP Deluxe strange feature .

    Quote Originally Posted by toxpert View Post
    Adding to observations noted for pickup and tailpiece studs, these ‘goof’ rings were also used for ABR bridge studs.
    I've never seen that. Got a photo?
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    Re: '71 LP Deluxe strange feature .

    The Edge's Les Paul has them on the tailpiece studs

    Still not 'vintage'





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    Re: '71 LP Deluxe strange feature .

    I have seen goof hiders on early 70’s Gibsons. I actually thought they were quite common on Deluxes.

    Two 73 SG’s I’ve had also had them.
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    Re: '71 LP Deluxe strange feature .

    Quote Originally Posted by toxpert View Post
    Adding to observations noted for pickup and tailpiece studs, these ‘goof’ rings were also used for ABR bridge studs.

    I have a set of black goof rings for tailpiece studs sitting in a bin on my workbench.
    Thanks for the reply .So what was underneath them when they were removed ???

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    Re: '71 LP Deluxe strange feature .

    Thanks a lot for the replies guys !!!" Goof rings" Hahaha!!!

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    Re: '71 LP Deluxe strange feature .

    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Wittrock View Post
    The Sunburst pub is a general area for all Gibson Les Pauls. This area where you posted [Vintage pub] is for 1950s era Les Pauls. If you will read the descriptions of the different Forum areas it will make more sense.
    And the reason for posting in the correct area is to reach more members who are familiar with your subject. It is okay to post in the wrong area [except advertising your guitars], but it works better if you post in the correct area.

    Gruhn Guitars has always been in Nashville, so I did not understand why you put NY there.
    Ok Thanks for the Info .I really thought Gruhn was in NY sorry about that .

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    Re: '71 LP Deluxe strange feature .

    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Wittrock View Post
    I've never seen that. Got a photo?
    https://shop.guitarpoint.de/media/im...B134612_17.jpg

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    Re: '71 LP Deluxe strange feature .

    There are no "goof rings" under the ABR posts in this photo.
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    Re: '71 LP Deluxe strange feature .

    I've seen goof rings on Customs, Deluxes, and SG's. It's really not that unusual.
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    Re: '71 LP Deluxe strange feature .

    I have seen those types of rings or whatever they are called before on Hollowbody Gibson's and was always perplexed by them and why they are there in the first place . If anyone can shed some light on this I would be most interested ?

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    Re: '71 LP Deluxe strange feature .

    Quote Originally Posted by El Gringo View Post
    I have seen those types of rings or whatever they are called before on Hollowbody Gibson's and was always perplexed by them and why they are there in the first place . If anyone can shed some light on this I would be most interested ?
    I always understood that "goof rings" were used to cover some finish chipping around the pickup routs. Have seen them on tailpiece stud holes too though. Seem to mostly appear on early 70s deluxes with Mini Humbuckers but I have seen them on some of the late 60s reissues with P90s as well.

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    Re: '71 LP Deluxe strange feature .

    They first really appeared on late 71s. Mostly visible on 73s-75s. Interesting is, that on all i have had with them, there were really no visible flaws under them. Why they used them is really a mystery...
    My diagnosis is: Hiwatt and Norlinphilia


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