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    Could this be a modified '61 LP / SG custom?

    Hi,

    could this be a '61 custom? Overall the basics dont't look off, the neck joint could be correct.
    Obviously:
    - refinish
    - new tuners
    - non fitting pickguard (to cover a middle pickup?) I asked a picture to check out a possible explanation.
    - new TRCand screw seems off center of the diamond inlay
    - new pickup(s)
    - new bridge



















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    Les Paul Forum Member zhivago's Avatar
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    Re: Could this be a modified '61 LP / SG custom?

    Cool guitar...could be the real thing, but with the refin it's hard to say...the truss rod cover looks wrong, the tuners are different than the Grovers on mine...and for a '61 it is missing the screw holes on the top from the removed sideways vibrola (although they were probably filled during the refin process).

    Hard to say...could be legit...
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    Re: Could this be a modified '61 LP / SG custom?

    Cool guitar.

    I would establish the following guitar specs:

    What is the neck profile like?

    Does it have a 1 11/16" nut width?

    Also does it have a 17 degree headstock pitch?
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    Re: Could this be a modified '61 LP / SG custom?

    The serial number has been buggered into looking like something it is not.

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    Re: Could this be a modified '61 LP / SG custom?

    Quote Originally Posted by corpse View Post
    The serial number has been buggered into looking like something it is not.
    Quite the opposite - those jumbled stamped digits are typical for the first '61 SG LP Customs. Serial # also fits into that number sequence, too.

    The OP is spot on I think - though who knows what crimes against humanity are covered by the black paint.. plus all original parts have gone, likely a pillaged guitar. Not worth much IMO.

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    Re: Could this be a modified '61 LP / SG custom?

    Thanks guys.

    What quality could I expect? The wood should be better than the recent SG's.
    What price would be fair?

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    Re: Could this be a modified '61 LP / SG custom?

    Can you see the screw holes for the side to side vibrato? Should have holes for the pick-up mounting rings. Also the small pick guard would have a different screw hole pattern than the large guard.
    Last edited by VamboRool; 09-25-19 at 11:55 PM.

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    Re: Could this be a modified '61 LP / SG custom?

    Just pulled my 61 Custom out, my neck heel is different. Wired or non-wired ABR-1?

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    Re: Could this be a modified '61 LP / SG custom?

    Just pulled my 61 Custom out, my neck heel is different. The truss rod cover touches the split diamond inlay. Is it a wired or non-wired ABR-1? Also, control cavity plate should be white not black. I'll say not a 61.

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    Re: Could this be a modified '61 LP / SG custom?

    The neck binding is suspiciously thick.
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    Re: Could this be a modified '61 LP / SG custom?

    Good eye on the binding, it sure looks weird now I'm focussing on it.

    The backplate could have been changed, but I can't see a reason.

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    Re: Could this be a modified '61 LP / SG custom?

    I don't see anything weird with the binding, personally...

    ...on the heel side of things, they were all over the place...my early '63 Custom has a "smooth" heel which is not supposed to be correct.
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    Re: Could this be a modified '61 LP / SG custom?

    Quote Originally Posted by zhivago View Post
    I don't see anything weird with the binding, personally...

    ...on the heel side of things, they were all over the place...my early '63 Custom has a "smooth" heel which is not supposed to be correct.

    On the contrary, if the custom follows the pattern of the standard then the heel is the definitive feature that pegs this guitar as a 61. The heels were not all over the place. There were only 2 types of heels in 61, the early on as seen on this guitar and the later 61 that had a smooth heel.

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    Re: Could this be a modified '61 LP / SG custom?

    Quote Originally Posted by zhivago View Post
    I don't see anything weird with the binding, personally...

    ...on the heel side of things, they were all over the place...my early '63 Custom has a "smooth" heel which is not supposed to be correct.
    Did the customs have thicker neck binding than standards?
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    Re: Could this be a modified '61 LP / SG custom?

    There are nibs there. So, an original would have a very heavily sanded "rolled" fretboard edge and super tiny "fretless wonder" frets which can separate from what little nib would be left. The veneer script looks right but the logo seems very high or at least almost bumping the top binding. Also, look for MOP side dots versus black.

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    Re: Could this be a modified '61 LP / SG custom?

    Not easy to turn those thumb wheels ;)
    Cool axe, if the price is right i'd jump on it

    edit: wonder what that square outline on the back is ?
    looks too straight to be buckle rash
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    Re: Could this be a modified '61 LP / SG custom?

    All the obvious has been pointed out, but i'd still play it.
    Killer hodge podge SG. Reminds me of some of the custom work like on Bob Marleys LP.
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