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    Les Paul Forum Member Pat Boyack's Avatar
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    Welcome Home Old Friend

    The Standard and SG are BACK!!!




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    Re: Welcome Home Old Friend

    Clearly a two piece back that he says is is “ a solid piece of mahogany”

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    Re: Welcome Home Old Friend

    Nice to see Mark again and I half waited for him to mention Norm's

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    It's hard for me to tell from the vid if it still has that funky shape to the horn.
    I have to say that once I bought an Historic Les Paul I never imagined I'd ever want a Gibson USA Standard, but these guitars look & sound pretty good
    the faster we go the rounder we get

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wilko View Post
    Clearly a two piece back that he says is is “ a solid piece of mahogany”
    I think it's just a poor choice of words on his part. He was obviously hyping up non-weight relief, as the two piece back is as clear as day.



    Quote Originally Posted by Cogswell View Post
    It's hard for me to tell from the vid if it still has that funky shape to the horn.
    I have to say that once I bought an Historic Les Paul I never imagined I'd ever want a Gibson USA Standard, but these guitars look & sound pretty good
    I don't see these as game changers with the Custom Shop crowd. Maybe as a 2nd LP for gigging or backup, but the differences between the two are enough to keep opinions set. As mentioned, two piece backs with reports these guitars are in the 10 pound range, and assuming rocker tenons are still a feature, will keep the CS player in their preferred lane.


    The important thing is that we now have a full feature "Standard" with what should be a sub 2K street price. That demographic has been ignored for a long time. Something about the Traditional, which overall was a good guitar, but marketed by Gibson as throwing us a bone instead of standing behind a flagship. That never sat well with some players.

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    Re: Welcome Home Old Friend

    LOL, so if you're the high brow aficionado who wants the extra inch or two of neck heel in the pickup cavity and a regular screw in ABR bridge on your Standard style Les Paul you still need to pay $2,000 more to go Custom Shop if it has a genuine Gibson label on the headtock. Two features that have been found on other USA models across the lineup in past years yet they just won't give a USA Les Paul the basic treatment.


    A bunch of ****ing bean counters still running the show, "Original"..."hey, we got rid of weight relief!!"

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    Re: Welcome Home Old Friend

    Pretty sure the rocke tenon has been gone since CNC.

    the new joint is not very different from a long tenon and the difference in resonance is negligible.

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    Re: Welcome Home Old Friend

    Quote Originally Posted by deytookerjaabs View Post
    A bunch of ****ing bean counters still running the show, "Original"..."hey, we got rid of weight relief!!"
    Would you rather have the Firebird X or self tuning tuners back? It's going in the right direction. I hear they are taking applications too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pat Boyack View Post
    It's going in the right direction.

    True. This isn't an overnight fix.

    Hoping QC on the USA line steps up to the challenge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pat Boyack View Post
    Would you rather have the Firebird X or self tuning tuners back? It's going in the right direction. I hear they are taking applications too.

    I mean, we can debate the difference between this:



    and



    and whatever else until the cows come home...

    But the fact is they'll "long tenon" when they have to like on a cheap DC studio:





    Gibson is fully aware of what a Heritage employee said years ago "The market wants to see the neck go into the pickup cavity" regarding single cut Les Pauls. It costs them near nil for the extra bit o wood, same goes for a real ABR which was on Classics for a long time and on other guitars. There's no reason not to do it other than fears it will hurt custom shop sales which I don't think that theory holds ground. It's a shallow move.

    Here, we have the Traditional we've been getting with a few tweaks now lauded as the "Original" "Back to Basics" or whatever.


    If you're still in doubt:





    Keep in mind, I'm saying this as someone who isn't too hot & bothered by the details beyond wanting to know them. If I picked up a 2019, really had the itch and felt it was a great guitar in hand I'd certainly buy one.

    But, it's way past time they give you the basic (long tenon, abr, 1 piece back, etc) vintage spec in the USA lineup for a LP standard guitar at the right price.

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    Re: Welcome Home Old Friend

    The pics of the Gibson booth that I am seeing from the Dallas show right now is very exciting.

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    Re: Welcome Home Old Friend

    I'm kinda thinking that I'm going to buy one of the Standards.
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