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    1957 LP Goldtop all mahogany

    Purchased from a well known LPF Member. Rare all mahogany version from late 1957. Had a few minor issues (like Grovers that I replaced with Klusons) which have been addressed. Amazing sound and plays great! It is heavy as an all mahogany guitar, but the sound makes up for it! I also have a 1957 with P-90s that is an awesome geetar!

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    Re: 1957 LP Goldtop all mahogany

    Beauty. Do you find the tone a lot different than a maple cap 57? We all have read that the maple cap = brighter tone ...I'd like to hear your observations as you have a lot of grail tone monsters in your collection. Is it in the 9 lb range ...or heavier? thx

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    Re: 1957 LP Goldtop all mahogany

    Very Nice. I happen to think the all mahogany gold tops
    Are special. Great score!

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    Re: 1957 LP Goldtop all mahogany

    Quote Originally Posted by marfen View Post
    Beauty. Do you find the tone a lot different than a maple cap 57? We all have read that the maple cap = brighter tone ...I'd like to hear your observations as you have a lot of grail tone monsters in your collection. Is it in the 9 lb range ...or heavier? thx
    I don’t hear a lot of tonal difference. Just really sings! It is definitely not darker sounding than maple to my ears. Maybe a bit snappier? And she is a boat anchor at 10 lbs. - but the sound makes up for it.
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    Re: 1957 LP Goldtop all mahogany

    beautiful..glad you finally own a Gibson guitar Mike

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    Re: 1957 LP Goldtop all mahogany

    Quote Originally Posted by MikeSlub View Post
    Purchased from a well known LPF Member. Rare all mahogany version from late 1957. Had a few minor issues (like Grovers that I replaced with Klusons) which have been addressed. Amazing sound and plays great! It is heavy as an all mahogany guitar, but the sound makes up for it! I also have a 1957 with P-90s that is an awesome geetar!

    I'm so jealous now...

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    Re: 1957 LP Goldtop all mahogany

    That is wonderful!

    Out of curiosity, how does one tell it's all mahogany? The routes?
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    Re: 1957 LP Goldtop all mahogany

    I've A-B compared an all Mahogany reissue R7 to typical maple capped reissues and there was a subtle audible difference. Hard to describe in words but I'd say the upper frequencies were where I was hearing it. Maybe just overall smoother. Hard to say though with n=1.

    Mike, is the body 1-piece like a Custom of the era and drilled through from jack to switch?

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    Re: 1957 LP Goldtop all mahogany

    Quote Originally Posted by MikeSlub View Post
    Purchased from a well known LPF Member. Rare all mahogany version from late 1957. Had a few minor issues (like Grovers that I replaced with Klusons) which have been addressed. Amazing sound and plays great! It is heavy as an all mahogany guitar, but the sound makes up for it! I also have a 1957 with P-90s that is an awesome geetar!


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    Re: 1957 LP Goldtop all mahogany

    Quote Originally Posted by thin sissy View Post
    That is wonderful!

    Out of curiosity, how does one tell it's all mahogany? The routes?
    No sliver of maple in the cutaway.
    You can also look in the cavities, but you need a screwdriver and a friendly owner to let you do that.


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    Re: 1957 LP Goldtop all mahogany

    Iím happy to have enabled you on this one my friend!

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    Re: 1957 LP Goldtop all mahogany

    Photos of the cutaway and the control cavity:




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    Re: 1957 LP Goldtop all mahogany

    Awesome guitar!!!
    Guitars: '56 Les Paul Custom, '63 SG/LP Custom, '61 Jazzmaster, '43 000-28, '15 ES-345,
    Amps: Matchless Lightning, Zvex Nano amp
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    Re: 1957 LP Goldtop all mahogany

    Individual variances with pots, caps, and pickups can make a direct comparison between all-mahogany and maple-top futile.
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    Re: 1957 LP Goldtop all mahogany

    Quote Originally Posted by marshall1987 View Post
    Individual variances with pots, caps, and pickups can make a direct comparison between all-mahogany and maple-top futile.
    True, but there are characteristics that can be heard acoustically.

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    Re: 1957 LP Goldtop all mahogany

    Quote Originally Posted by MikeSlub View Post
    ... Had a few minor issues (like Grovers that I replaced with Klusons) which have been addressed.
    Silly question, Mike. By reinstalling the Klusons how did you makeup for the larger routing required for the Grovers? Use the oversized adapter bushings or fill the holes back in and re-drill them?

    I have a similar situation with my '69 but I would need to enlarge the holes a bit more just to get the adapters to fit in.

    Beautiful guitar!!
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    Re: 1957 LP Goldtop all mahogany

    Mike, thanks for sharing the pics and sharing how it sounds. Great addition to the fleet!

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    Re: 1957 LP Goldtop all mahogany

    Quote Originally Posted by BGReed2 View Post
    Silly question, Mike. By reinstalling the Klusons how did you makeup for the larger routing required for the Grovers? Use the oversized adapter bushings or fill the holes back in and re-drill them?

    I have a similar situation with my '69 but I would need to enlarge the holes a bit more just to get the adapters to fit in.

    Beautiful guitar!!
    I had purchased the oversized adapter bushings, but when I removed the Grovers I found that the routings werenít enlarged. I used the regular sized bushings - they fit right in.
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    Re: 1957 LP Goldtop all mahogany

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    Looks fantastic Mike!
    Pauls to the walls!

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    Re: 1957 LP Goldtop all mahogany

    Congrats, Mike...
    Music for me.

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    Re: 1957 LP Goldtop all mahogany

    I've only played one GT like that but had it's use for several months. I owned a couple of Customs, Specials and a boatload of Jrs. I never found any lacking in hig frequency or brightness. Who claims Jrs or SG's lack highs, electrically or acousticly? GE Smith let me play his all maple Jr and it was definitely no brighter than the typical Jr, but I found the bass tighter and less full or open. My thought was the maple top on the original model was to do just that, tighten the bass and balance the tone on the cleanish 50's stuff on the typically bassier amps back then.
    The older I get, the better I was.

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    Re: 1957 LP Goldtop all mahogany

    Really cool, Mike. Play it in good health!

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    Re: 1957 LP Goldtop all mahogany

    Quote Originally Posted by MikeSlub View Post
    Purchased from a well known LPF Member. Rare all mahogany version from late 1957. Had a few minor issues (like Grovers that I replaced with Klusons) which have been addressed. Amazing sound and plays great! It is heavy as an all mahogany guitar, but the sound makes up for it! I also have a 1957 with P-90s that is an awesome geetar!

    There is something about goldtops that is beyond cool.

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    Re: 1957 LP Goldtop all mahogany

    sweet !!
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    Re: 1957 LP Goldtop all mahogany

    Quote Originally Posted by zorglub! View Post
    Really cool, Mike. Play it in good health!
    Thanks Julio! For your records, SN is 7 7322
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    Lovely Mike! Congrats, HNGTD and play her in good health!
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    Re: 1957 LP Goldtop all mahogany

    Quote Originally Posted by MikeSlub View Post
    I had purchased the oversized adapter bushings, but when I removed the Grovers I found that the routings werenít enlarged. I used the regular sized bushings - they fit right in.
    That is odd. Did they make Grovers that fit in the same size bushing holes as Klusons?. I thought you always had to enlarge the holes from Klusons to install Grovers?.
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    Re: 1957 LP Goldtop all mahogany

    Quote Originally Posted by zombiwoof View Post
    That is odd. Did they make Grovers that fit in the same size bushing holes as Klusons?. I thought you always had to enlarge the holes from Klusons to install Grovers?.
    Al
    Iím no expert in Grovers. I just know what I encountered, and the holes werenít enlarged.
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    Re: 1957 LP Goldtop all mahogany

    I had grovers in my burst and only the back half was enlarged. It didn't go all the way through the front, so Kluson bushings still fit.

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    Re: 1957 LP Goldtop all mahogany

    Time for a new avatar/footer pic Mike. And if you need help seven seven oh seven one oh three...

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    Re: 1957 LP Goldtop all mahogany

    Quote Originally Posted by BGReed2 View Post
    Silly question, Mike. By reinstalling the Klusons how did you makeup for the larger routing required for the Grovers? Use the oversized adapter bushings or fill the holes back in and re-drill them?

    I have a similar situation with my '69 but I would need to enlarge the holes a bit more just to get the adapters to fit in.

    Beautiful guitar!!
    try using some copper tubing cut into bushings, worked perfect on an old junior i had.

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    Re: 1957 LP Goldtop all mahogany

    Just curious, it looks to be a one piece body, not a mahogany cap?


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    Re: 1957 LP Goldtop all mahogany

    Quote Originally Posted by Mars Hall View Post
    Just curious, it looks to be a one piece body, not a mahogany cap?
    Yes, that is how they were made. Same with Customs.
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    Re: 1957 LP Goldtop all mahogany

    I'm a little puzzled why the all mahogany guitars get the rep of being super heavy. Mahogany is actually lighter, per cubic inch, than maple, isn't it? Certainly an all hog special or junior can weigh 6# or less so it's hard to imagine why an all mahogany LP would have to weigh 10#. Dave's all mahogany 57 doesn't seem to be any heavier than the burst hanging next to it, but I haven't weighed it. His sounds great, doesn't take a back seat to any LP I've played (not as many as some of you).

    Anyway, Mike, congrats, that's a beautiful and soulful guitar!

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    Re: 1957 LP Goldtop all mahogany

    Mahogany density varies tremendously. Unfortunately this idea that there is a direct correlation between weight and tone has become quite popular.

    Would the black Les Paul Custom style plastic also be correct for this guitar? (Nice to see its cream plastic has not been robbed.)

    I'm very happy for you, Mike! Hope you enjoy it

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    Re: 1957 LP Goldtop all mahogany

    Quote Originally Posted by DrRobert View Post
    I'm a little puzzled why the all mahogany guitars get the rep of being super heavy. Mahogany is actually lighter, per cubic inch, than maple, isn't it? Certainly an all hog special or junior can weigh 6# or less so it's hard to imagine why an all mahogany LP would have to weigh 10#. Dave's all mahogany 57 doesn't seem to be any heavier than the burst hanging next to it, but I haven't weighed it. His sounds great, doesn't take a back seat to any LP I've played (not as many as some of you).

    Anyway, Mike, congrats, that's a beautiful and soulful guitar!
    Iíve noted that some of the mahogany used in the 50ís isnít very light. Even my 1957 Goldtop with maple cap and P-90ís weighs 9 lbs. 2 oz.
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    Re: 1957 LP Goldtop all mahogany

    Quote Originally Posted by MikeSlub View Post
    Iím no expert in Grovers. I just know what I encountered, and the holes werenít enlarged.
    That means a good luthier with the right type of step bit did the Grover installation the correct way. Most guys drill the hole all the way thru the headstock and loose the ability to switch back to a Kluson if desired. Congrats on the score...!!

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    Re: 1957 LP Goldtop all mahogany

    That is awesome Mike! Nice guitar!

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    Re: 1957 LP Goldtop all mahogany

    A beauty
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    Re: 1957 LP Goldtop all mahogany

    oh and by the way Awsome score! it looks clean i like th clean 'unreliced' look.
    i always wondered if the black customs were less dough because of the magogany? i dont get it. i,ve had a few of those and i lovem. 'the one' was a 55 man it had hot pickups it screamed! my pal got it in a pawnshop in the early nineties pocatelo idaho, traded a 22 pistol and 60 bucks!!!! i kept the receipt to look at sometimes lol i heard the guitar wound up later at gruhns. somebody got a good one. i think they are sleepers on the market in the 20kish range.
    another time (in the seventies) i had a 56 from a pawnshop i was playing a big kegger party, this old as dirt dude happened to show up and it had been his guitar in the fifties!!
    he had shaved the neck with a broken piece of glass and the decent scratch by the tone knob is where he said his brother threw a glass of wine at him.
    sorry i,m rambling...i dont get out much

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