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Tell me about the Gretsch Country Gentleman (+ post your pics!)

fakejake

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I'm starting to get an itch for an old Country Gentleman.... there always seem to be a few for sale, and the 60ies ones are still really affordable.
Such beautiful guitars!


Anybody here who own one? What are your thoughts/ likes/ dislikes about them?
Anything specific to look for when buying a vintage one, except for the notorious binding issues?


Cheers!
 

latestarter

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Look out for the proper break angle over the bridge and relative neck angle. Some can be too shallow.
Old Gretsch frets are hard, but usually small and square with a rough top. I would typically assume a refret is required. With the binding rot, those are the main things.
 

deytookerjaabs

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I don't have a country gent, but I do have a '62 Chet 6120, or whatever year had the dial up mute. Yeah, binding rot (project in the making), fairly shallow neck angle which is how many came new, etc. I think the low bridge/break was just normal on those guitars and would not compare them to proper archtop in that sense.


How does it sound? Like plugging in Chet's fiddle circa 1962!? There's a certain thin/cheapness to the build that makes it perfect for what it is. And those sizzlin' pickups help, as does the hunk of jet black fine azz ebony.




Do you like how they sound on record? Can you give it a modest amount of pickin' time? If so....pick one up!
 

fakejake

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Thanks guys!
I guess I was hoping for a bit more enthusiastic comments, encouragements, pics…
Probably the wrong forum…
Anyway, getting yet another guitar isn’t really the smartest idea to begin with. I probably should just let go of that idea.
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deytookerjaabs

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Thanks guys!
I guess I was hoping for a bit more enthusiastic comments, encouragements, pics…
Probably the wrong forum…
Anyway, getting yet another guitar isn’t really the smartest idea to begin with. I probably should just let go of that idea.
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Well I'm not good with hyperbole but I really dig the one I got :laugh2:


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It was in a shop in little Tennessee town listed as a "1967 Country Gentleman Refin" so it was priced low even for a refin. After haggling a tiny bit I got it for the price of a Korean import! It's an old old refin to Tennessee red (transparent). Great guitar but it needs new frets & neck binding ASAP though I still play it from time to time, love the sound and the old-ness mojo.
 

sonar

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I really wanted to get on the vintage Gretsch bandwagon, but almost all post 1960 examples I played were trainwrecks that needed a lot of work from fretwork, neck planing and resets to binding replacement. And this was back in the early to mid 90's. They did sound great, but just not worth the time and money needed to get them up to snuff. Some 50's guitars were in ok shape, but at the pricepoint or a little more (again, early to mid 90's) you could get into a much higher quality vintage Gibson hollowbody without the Gretsch issues.

If you can break out of the vintage mentality check out the current Gretsch offerings made in Japan. Much better built guitars than the vintage pieces. I'd argue they are on par with PRS USA when it comes to quality control and consistency.

And if you're a Custom Shop type of guy Stephen Stern is currently making some exquisite Gretsch models.
 

deytookerjaabs

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I really wanted to get on the vintage Gretsch bandwagon, but almost all post 1960 examples I played were trainwrecks that needed a lot of work from fretwork, neck planing and resets to binding replacement. And this was back in the early to mid 90's. They did sound great, but just not worth the time and money needed to get them up to snuff. Some 50's guitars were in ok shape, but at the pricepoint or a little more (again, early to mid 90's) you could get into a much higher quality vintage Gibson hollowbody without the Gretsch issues.

If you can break out of the vintage mentality check out the current Gretsch offerings made in Japan. Much better built guitars than the vintage pieces. I'd argue they are on par with PRS USA when it comes to quality control and consistency.

And if you're a Custom Shop type of guy Stephen Stern is currently making some exquisite Gretsch models.



I think not liking the vintage shallow Gretsch break angle is like calling a Jazzmaster a POS in some respects just because it doesn't bend/feel like a Tele/Strat bridge. From what I've seen, the non-electric Gretsch arches like the synchromatic had a proper archtop angle while the electrics with the wanger were more shallow...just like Jazzmasters had a shallow break with their trem setup.



Just look at how shallow the original bridge design could go:

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Compared to an L-5CES my Gretsch bridge is shallow, but it sounds great, holds tune well, and I don't do 2 step bends on it as that's not really what it excels at.
 

sonar

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I think not liking the vintage shallow Gretsch break angle is like calling a Jazzmaster a POS in some respects just because it doesn't bend/feel like a Tele/Strat bridge. From what I've seen, the non-electric Gretsch arches like the synchromatic had a proper archtop angle while the electrics with the wanger were more shallow...just like Jazzmasters had a shallow break with their trem setup.



Just look at how shallow the original bridge design could go:

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Compared to an L-5CES my Gretsch bridge is shallow, but it sounds great, holds tune well, and I don't do 2 step bends on it as that's not really what it excels at.


Funny, My ‘60 Jazzmater was my main guitar for over 10 years. Break angle is not a problem for me. One of my all time favorite Tele’s was a top loader. As for Gretsch I’ve been playing my modern Gretsch hollow’s exclusively with my live projects.
 

deytookerjaabs

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Funny, My ‘60 Jazzmater was my main guitar for over 10 years. Break angle is not a problem for me. One of my all time favorite Tele’s was a top loader. As for Gretsch I’ve been playing my modern Gretsch hollow’s exclusively with my live projects.



That's good news! I just figured since there's so many aftermarket pieces meant to address the break angle of vintage Jazzmasters/Jaguars like the Buzzstop, Straytrem, and Mastery bridge that you also felt the vintage Gretsch necks had the same issue. I find 9 times out of 10 they only need a neck reset if you don't dig a shallow break. I reset the necks on an ES-125 and ES-150 because they were just not appropriate for an old Gibson and the neck joints drift, but for the old Gretsch's I think anything beyond catastrophic works okay unless it's an acoustic archtop which really needs some pressure on the top for projection. The new Japan Gretsches have break angles quite a bit steeper than vintage more like a proper acoustic archtop.
 

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That's good news! I just figured since there's so many aftermarket pieces meant to address the break angle of vintage Jazzmasters/Jaguars like the Buzzstop, Straytrem, and Mastery bridge that you also felt the vintage Gretsch necks had the same issue. I find 9 times out of 10 they only need a neck reset if you don't dig a shallow break. I reset the necks on an ES-125 and ES-150 because they were just not appropriate for an old Gibson and the neck joints drift, but for the old Gretsch's I think anything beyond catastrophic works okay unless it's an acoustic archtop which really needs some pressure on the top for projection. The new Japan Gretsches have break angles quite a bit steeper than vintage more like a proper acoustic archtop.

I had a Buzzstop on my JM for awhile. It killed the feel. I also am not a fan of tension bar Bigsby's for similar reasons.

I saw a lot of weak necks on 60's Gretsch's - worse as the decade progressed. People would compensate by moving the bridge closer to the bridge pickup or deal with pretty bad action. Often you could noticeably shift the neck around with your wrist. I can't definatively say all 60's era Gretsch had these problems, but pretty much all that I played were guitars with severe issues, enough for me to give up on Gretsch until the Japan series.
 
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