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    NVGD: Vintage 1959 ES-345 TDSV

    Aloha folks!

    I thought I would share a cool new vintage ES that surfaced. Those who know me understand that I just can't say "No" to any vintage ES, but particularly '59 ES-345s, which I think are very special guitars. I didn't currently have a Sunburst, so found one and added it to the arsenal last week. An amazing under-the-bed guitar with a beautiful maple top. Photo of it alongside a 1959 ES-345 in Cherry. Cheers, and enjoy! - Trey




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    Re: NVGD: Vintage 1959 ES-345 TDSV

    What beautiful 345 wow !!
    Ive never confused owning a bunch of high end gear with being some kind of a guitar player I'm a hack and I love guitars !

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    Re: NVGD: Vintage 1959 ES-345 TDSV

    looks great

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    Re: NVGD: Vintage 1959 ES-345 TDSV

    Stunning and a very cool score! Congrats!
    Game on!

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    Re: NVGD: Vintage 1959 ES-345 TDSV

    Stunning, congrats
    Music for me.

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    Re: NVGD: Vintage 1959 ES-345 TDSV

    A Beauty, congrats and enjoy!


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    Re: NVGD: Vintage 1959 ES-345 TDSV

    WOW!? Very nice!! \m/
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    Re: NVGD: Vintage 1959 ES-345 TDSV

    Quote Originally Posted by treyrab View Post
    ...Those who know me understand that I just can't say "No" to any vintage ES, but particularly '59 ES-345s, which I think are very special guitars.
    Indeed, the 1959 ES345 is a very special instrument. There is something of a cult here devoted to the ES345, particularly what's known as the "first rack" variety ES345s. (Note my avatar...)

    Quote Originally Posted by treyrab View Post
    I didn't currently have a Sunburst, so found one and added it to the arsenal last week. An amazing under-the-bed guitar with a beautiful maple top. Photo of it alongside a 1959 ES-345 in Cherry.
    Wow!
    Details, please. Are the PAF bobbins double white, zebra or black? Are the necks fat, thin or otherwise? FONs? Do you have an opinion on the Varitone? (I like it.) Do you play it stereo or use a Y-cable into two channels (think: black/silver face Fender) of one amp? How do you feel about the out-of-phase sound?

    The Sunburst case is great!

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    Re: NVGD: Vintage 1959 ES-345 TDSV

    Wow, what a pair! Is there some tonal difference between them?
    My diagnosis is: Hiwatt and Norlinphilia


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    Re: NVGD: Vintage 1959 ES-345 TDSV

    Fantastic!
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    Re: NVGD: Vintage 1959 ES-345 TDSV

    Whoa ! Really nice pair


    Whats the back story on the SB.. looks unplayed

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    Re: NVGD: Vintage 1959 ES-345 TDSV

    Incredibly beautiful; just stunning! Congrats....you, sir, are a lucky man to have not one, but two of these 345s!

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    Re: NVGD: Vintage 1959 ES-345 TDSV

    So beautiful and such nice figure . Congrats on a most beautiful NGD!

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    Re: NVGD: Vintage 1959 ES-345 TDSV

    Did you sell your "first rack" 345?
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    Re: NVGD: Vintage 1959 ES-345 TDSV

    Quote Originally Posted by GuitarMikey View Post
    Did you sell your "first rack" 345?
    Yes sir! Which is why I needed another Sunburst

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    Re: NVGD: Vintage 1959 ES-345 TDSV

    Quote Originally Posted by brandtkronholm View Post
    Indeed, the 1959 ES345 is a very special instrument. There is something of a cult here devoted to the ES345, particularly what's known as the "first rack" variety ES345s. (Note my avatar...)

    Wow!
    Details, please. Are the PAF bobbins double white, zebra or black? Are the necks fat, thin or otherwise? FONs? Do you have an opinion on the Varitone? (I like it.) Do you play it stereo or use a Y-cable into two channels (think: black/silver face Fender) of one amp? How do you feel about the out-of-phase sound?

    The Sunburst case is great!
    I will try to answer all

    - The Red has 2x Double Black and the Sunburst has 2x Double White. All 4 are 8.0K ohm or more.
    - The Red has a HUGE neck. The Sunbust is more Medium "C".
    - I use a Y cable converted to mono (middle position is out of phase) into either a '55 Deluxe or '64 Deluxe Reverb.
    - I owned a First Rack at one point. It was fabulous, but the '59 Cherry tops it, and the new Sunburst matches the 'ol gal. The First Rack had a HUGE neck (similar to my current '59 Cherry).
    - Rock on!

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    Re: NVGD: Vintage 1959 ES-345 TDSV

    Quote Originally Posted by Unbound Dot Neck View Post
    Whoa ! Really nice pair


    Whats the back story on the SB.. looks unplayed
    Thank you! Yes -- It is nearly unplayed (looks brand new except for some light weather checking). It came from the original owner in Nevada last month.

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    Re: NVGD: Vintage 1959 ES-345 TDSV

    Rock on !

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    Re: NVGD: Vintage 1959 ES-345 TDSV

    Quote Originally Posted by treyrab View Post
    I will try to answer all

    - The Red has 2x Double Black and the Sunburst has 2x Double White. All 4 are 8.0K ohm or more.
    - The Red has a HUGE neck. The Sunbust is more Medium "C".
    - I use a Y cable converted to mono (middle position is out of phase) into either a '55 Deluxe or '64 Deluxe Reverb.
    - I owned a First Rack at one point. It was fabulous, but the '59 Cherry tops it, and the new Sunburst matches the 'ol gal. The First Rack had a HUGE neck (similar to my current '59 Cherry).
    - Rock on!
    Very nice!

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    Re: NVGD: Vintage 1959 ES-345 TDSV

    Very, very cool guitars. Congratulations.

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    Re: NVGD: Vintage 1959 ES-345 TDSV

    Beautiful guitars! Thanks for sharing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Minnis View Post
    Beautiful guitars! Thanks for sharing.
    Fabulous, congrats and enjoy your two amazing ‘59 345s! I sure love my First Rack 345. Zebra in the neck, reverse zebra in the bridge. Shipped 4/30/59. Sunburst and some birdseye grain...I foolishly traded away my first, First Rack years ago and will not make that mistake with the second. If the owner of A29663 is out there give me a shout! Would love to hear how’s she’s doing!

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    Re: NVGD: Vintage 1959 ES-345 TDSV

    Quote Originally Posted by treyrab View Post
    I will try to answer all

    - The Red has 2x Double Black and the Sunburst has 2x Double White. All 4 are 8.0K ohm or more.
    - The Red has a HUGE neck. The Sunbust is more Medium "C".
    - I use a Y cable converted to mono (middle position is out of phase) into either a '55 Deluxe or '64 Deluxe Reverb.
    - I owned a First Rack at one point. It was fabulous, but the '59 Cherry tops it, and the new Sunburst matches the 'ol gal. The First Rack had a HUGE neck (similar to my current '59 Cherry).
    - Rock on!
    What does "first rack " mean ?

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    Re: NVGD: Vintage 1959 ES-345 TDSV

    Wow— spectacular instrument

    do the 345s with the stereo into the mono cables sound like a 335 ? Or are there differences?

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    Re: NVGD: Vintage 1959 ES-345 TDSV

    Quote Originally Posted by El Gringo View Post
    What does "first rack " mean ?
    See http://www.es-335.com/2013/06/15/first-rack-es-345/

    And http://www.es-335.com/2018/05/12/fir...345s-database/

    To be brief, it's the sound. They (and some of the other 1959 ES345s) are also known as "'Burst Killers."

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    Re: NVGD: Vintage 1959 ES-345 TDSV

    Quote Originally Posted by Pellman73 View Post
    Wow— spectacular instrument

    do the 345s with the stereo into the mono cables sound like a 335 ? Or are there differences?
    In short....Yes. Bridge sounds the same. Neck sounds the same. But middle position is out-of-phase (Peter Green sound).

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    Re: NVGD: Vintage 1959 ES-345 TDSV

    Quote Originally Posted by El Gringo View Post
    What does "first rack " mean ?
    There were 3 racks of ES-345s made in April of 1959 (a little more than 100 guitars). Basically they are known for having a few different features, but the main thing folks like is their gigantic necks.

    I used to own one, but sold it a few months back when I acquired my '59 Cherry 345 (which has the same huge neck....even a bit bigger perhaps).

    "First Rack" is the term thrown around, but having owned 6-7 ES-345s now from '59 (some first rack, and some not) I am convinced that all '59 345s are some of the best guitars Gibson has ever made.
    Last edited by treyrab; 12-10-18 at 12:40 PM.

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    Re: NVGD: Vintage 1959 ES-345 TDSV

    Quote Originally Posted by Pellman73 View Post
    ...do the 345s with the stereo into the mono cables sound like a 335 ? Or are there differences?
    The stereo to mono cable thing must be done with care. A standard "mixdown" stereo to mono cable causes mayhem with ES345s by causing the tone and volume controls to behave somewhat like master tone and volume and further completely sucking the good tone right out of the guitar. A stereo Y cable - stereo at one end and two monos at the other is an easy way to get the guitar to behave as expected. Plugging both monos onto one channel of an amp (think BF or SF Fender) gets you the funky "out-of-phase" sound when in the middle position. Plugging into two separate channels of the same amp or two separate amps eliminates the out-of-phase sound and the guitar behave as you would expect in the middle position.

    Does it sound like a 335? More or less. The 345/355s have ceramic caps and hence a slightly different sound. I can't say what that difference is...but folk around here say it sounds different. Also, the cut-out under the bridge pickup for the Varitone choke/guts in a 345/355 makes for a different sound as the 335s did not have this cut-out until 1963/4/5(?) Some say this cut-out makes the guitar more lively, but again, I don't know.

    To my ears, an early 345 sounds ... awesome.

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