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    Re: R4 Florian Jaeger


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    Re: R4 Florian Jaeger

    That is way cool!

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    Florian is a Master , I am always impressed with his immense skills

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    Re: R4 Florian Jaeger

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    This is a good picture. IMHO it's this "waist" area carve where the Historics are really way off.

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    Re: R4 Florian Jaeger

    Quote Originally Posted by BlueFin View Post
    Awesome .

    i think itís onlh a matter of time that Iím going to do this. Itís so cool.

    Im a huge fan!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pellman73 View Post
    Awesome .

    i think itís onlh a matter of time that Iím going to do this. Itís so cool.

    Im a huge fan!
    I have a wildwood featherweight spec R4 and I have to admit that I have been tempted..so far though I have not succumbed.

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    Re: R4 Florian Jaeger

    Quote Originally Posted by RocknRollShakeUp View Post
    I have a wildwood featherweight spec R4 and I have to admit that I have been tempted..so far though I have not succumbed.
    what is featherweight spec?

    just a light sub 8lb or chambered?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pellman73 View Post
    what is featherweight spec?

    just a light sub 8lb or chambered?
    Non-chambered, generally speaking in the 7.8-8.1 lb range, give or take a few oz. The guitars also have slightly underwound Gibson P90s or Custombuckers, I think using AIII magnets. My R4 is 7.86lbs and I also have an R7 that is 7.98lbs...well, a little bit lighter since I took those heavy selector switch metal medallion covers off :D

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    Re: R4 Florian Jaeger

    Not a Featherlite. Log for a neck. 2014 R4!



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    Quote Originally Posted by renderit View Post
    Not a Featherlite. Log for a neck. 2014 R4!

    Awesome find! My R4 neck is .94/1.00 and the R7 .93/1.00 so nice and fat. The R7 has more shoulders and it feels bigger than the R4 neck which is perfection for me..I wonder how it would stack up against Florianís template?! It does need a hair more dishing along the distal bouts, away from the neck and beyond the bridge though...my fear is that I would get one done and it would spoil me to the other, and Id have to get the other done too...I may have to stop looking at these threads

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    Re: R4 Florian Jaeger

    My late 53 coming in at 8.1 1/2 lb

    The neck is a D shape chunky monkey that’s for sure, but it works wonderfully. even my friends who are basically 100% Ibanez razor thin neck players love the neck on this thing. It feels right and the meat lets you dig in and in addition to the way the old ones were constructed with glues that set like glass, it makes the whole guitar really feel like 1 solid piece. You can feel it resonating in your tummy and your hands, playing it unplugged. If I can get the appropriate measuring tools I’ll take the measurements










    On my bucket list is still to get a really nice lightweight R9 with just the right authentic looking streaky flame top example and hand it to Florian for the full works. Not so easy to find in the UK. Enjoying this thread however and would love to see how he manages to do the greening and the like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patek View Post
    My late 53 coming in at 8.1 1/2 lb

    The neck is a D shape chunky monkey thatís for sure, but it works wonderfully. even my friends who are basically 100% Ibanez razor thin neck players love the neck on this thing. It feels right and the meat lets you dig in and in addition to the way the old ones were constructed with glues that set like glass, it makes the whole guitar really feel like 1 solid piece. You can feel it resonating in your tummy and your hands, playing it unplugged. If I can get the appropriate measuring tools Iíll take the measurements










    On my bucket list is still to get a really nice lightweight R9 with just the right authentic looking streaky flame top example and hand it to Florian for the full works. Not so easy to find in the UK. Enjoying this thread however and would love to see how he manages to do the greening and the like.
    Oh Lordy Lordy, that's a holy grail guitar for me...stunning!...and what an awesome weight, esp. for an original! Play her in good health sir, and thank you for sharing! Is there a thread where you have more extensive pictures of this beauty?

  13. #53

    Re: R4 Florian Jaeger

    Logo Mojo! Here are a couple of pics of the logo moving process. Florian "I don't want to see any seem thru the super-thin nitro, which shows everything. If I just close the routing, which is too big after moving the Gibson-logo down, this operation can be seen. So I do it the proper way" You have to love the attention to detail.
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    Last edited by BlueFin; 10-01-18 at 05:12 AM.

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    Re: R4 Florian Jaeger

    I got an R-4 in 2007. Sent it to Kim twice.. The first time was when he was still working with Dave Johnson and Dave did a great job, but all the stuff was not available like it is now at Historic Makeovers. Last time we went with a sunburst. Was suppose to be dark cherry but came out dark brown-ish.
    But it has a Brazilian board, Hide Glue neck joint, Vintage Trussrod, celluloid binding, etc. the whole RDS package, logo moved to vintage correct. It's as close to a real `54 as one can get.. It's an incredible guitar!
    My 2002 R-0 also has Brazilian and did from day one, but it's also been through the whole RDS process. I wouldn't change a thing on either!


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    Re: R4 Florian Jaeger

    Quote Originally Posted by TM1 View Post
    I got an R-4 in 2007. Sent it to Kim twice.. The first time was when he was still working with Dave Johnson and Dave did a great job, but all the stuff was not available like it is now at Historic Makeovers. Last time we went with a sunburst. Was suppose to be dark cherry but came out dark brown-ish.
    But it has a Brazilian board, Hide Glue neck joint, Vintage Trussrod, celluloid binding, etc. the whole RDS package, logo moved to vintage correct. It's as close to a real `54 as one can get.. It's an incredible guitar!
    My 2002 R-0 also has Brazilian and did from day one, but it's also been through the whole RDS process. I wouldn't change a thing on either!

    Where did you get the alnicio pu from?

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    Re: R4 Florian Jaeger

    Quote Originally Posted by fakejake View Post
    Where did you get the alnicio pu from?
    MJ @ Seymour Duncan made it for me. I really sounds great and the bridge pickup in a `54. I have a few old `50's P-90's & some T-Top's made between `65/`71. I put Throbak A-4 magnets in them. The switch ring is from a `57 & the pickguard was made in `52 as are the extra tall knobs. I did take off the Grovers and put some Kluson "wafflebacks" in their place. Real `50's switchtip. I did have some original IRC pots which Gibson used until 1955, but took those out and put some of the new VIP pots! Those are exceptional and the taper is exactly the same as the original pots in my R-0 and my 1959 LP Special & `60 Melody Maker. The VIP Pots are excellent!

  17. #57

    Re: R4 Florian Jaeger

    Quote Originally Posted by BlueFin View Post
    Logo Mojo! Here are a couple of pics of the logo moving process. Florian "I don't want to see any seem thru the super-thin nitro, which shows everything. If I just close the routing, which is too big after moving the Gibson-logo down, this operation can be seen. So I do it the proper way" You have to love the attention to detail.
    [IMG][/IMG]
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    Nice!

  18. #58

    Re: R4 Florian Jaeger

    Quote Originally Posted by TM1 View Post
    I got an R-4 in 2007. Sent it to Kim twice.. The first time was when he was still working with Dave Johnson and Dave did a great job, but all the stuff was not available like it is now at Historic Makeovers. Last time we went with a sunburst. Was suppose to be dark cherry but came out dark brown-ish.
    But it has a Brazilian board, Hide Glue neck joint, Vintage Trussrod, celluloid binding, etc. the whole RDS package, logo moved to vintage correct. It's as close to a real `54 as one can get.. It's an incredible guitar!
    My 2002 R-0 also has Brazilian and did from day one, but it's also been through the whole RDS process. I wouldn't change a thing on either!

    Amazing!

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    Re: R4 Florian Jaeger

    Quote Originally Posted by fakejake View Post
    Where did you get the alnicio pu from?
    So that was the top underneath the gold top on your original R4? Thatís really cool.

    I love the staple pickup in the neck. IĒm not sure iĒve ever seen a white one!

    really cool guitar! The color reminds me a little of how Hotlanta can look kind of purplish in certain shots

  20. #60

    Re: R4 Florian Jaeger

    Headstock update. Holly Vanier and vintage correct Gibby logo.
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    Head Stock coming along nicely. The holly vaneer carefully selected, truss rod hole cleanly cut, trimmed to perfection. Hot hide glue the trimming and the sanding. The last shot just makes it all look so good. [IMG][/IMG]
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    Re: R4 Florian Jaeger

    Iím loving this thread but please can you fix your images as they hardly ever come through so we canít see what is being posted. Many thanks !

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patek View Post
    Iím loving this thread but please can you fix your images as they hardly ever come through so we canít see what is being posted. Many thanks !
    I was able to see them yesterday, but now they're gone..

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    Re: R4 Florian Jaeger

    Yeah, mine disappeared for a day.. now the piccy's are Back! Thanks!
    BTW; venier is actually: veener on post #60
    Duncan had a run of covers for the Staple Alnico V pickups made. They have both black and cream. I love these. I have one in the bridge spot of my Epi Casino as the regular P-90 just didn't quiet make it on that guitar..
    Finish; I saw Duane's darkburst in Oct. `71 three months after he got it. The finish was more purple than any other darkburst I've seen. I think I've seen about 5 or 6 in person.

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    Template from original 1954 to make sure the logo is in the correct location. Probably more care taken to do this than was originally done in 1954. Nice knowing all the care that went into getting the details right.
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    Quietly following this... amazing work going on over there

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    Inlays and fish glue. Updates form the headstock. Routed, placed, filled and covered in blackened fish glue just like the 50's. Gotta love the attention to detail. Fish glue. I love that.
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    Re: R4 Florian Jaeger

    I wish I could see the images as well

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    More head stock goodness. I just love seeing the work that's being done. Saying "move the logo" and actually seeing what it takes. Very cool.
    [IMG][/IMG]Logo without the dot [IMG][/IMG] dot hole
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    Finished with dot.

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    Re: R4 Florian Jaeger

    Hell yeah!

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    Re: R4 Florian Jaeger

    Quote Originally Posted by BlueFin View Post
    More head stock goodness. I just love seeing the work that's being done. Saying "move the logo" and actually seeing what it takes. Very cool.
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    [/IMG]Logo without the dot [IMG][/IMG] dot hole
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    Finished with dot.
    That is a very interesting Process Really Phenomenal attention to detail a true craftsman Excellent Learning Experience
    I wonder if Does Gibson Do anything Close to that this Today World with there Factory headsock logo's ??

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    I'm having a great time watching this. Black is the new black. Headstock is getting there.
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    Re: R4 Florian Jaeger

    I was worrying about that dot but now I feel much better.

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    Almost there. You can clearly see how moving that logo changes the vibe. Florian was right to suggest I do it. Thanks
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    Nice roundy smoothness. All those horrible edges gone.
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    Secret black grain stain! It's like magic.
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    Black stain removed just leaving the grainy goodness.
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    Great stuff ! Like the lowered logo a lot !

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    Re: R4 Florian Jaeger

    I must say, I don't understand sending out a guitar for a makeover that finally does all the things you want (why mess with success?).

    I finally landed on one that just does everything that I want. You know the one, when you plug it in each sound you get out of it makes you smile.
    But I always enjoy watching the process.

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    Re: R4 Florian Jaeger

    Quote Originally Posted by mdubya View Post
    I must say, I don't understand sending out a guitar for a makeover that finally does all the things you want (why mess with success?).



    But I always enjoy watching the process.
    From my experience, the makeover process is foremost about the appearance of the guitar, as well how it feels haptically. If you have a guitar that does all the things you want sonically, you might just want it to look and feel a bit more like a well-used vintage one, without really affecting the sound.

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