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    ES-335 59 RI...what can you tell me about this one?

    I found one of these with a sn A-93XXX, which I am assuming is a 2003? It's red, and I'm wondering if anyone here knows enough about these to tell me:
    -Where it was made
    -PUP's
    -Pots and caps
    -What it might be worth in Ex cond.
    -How you like a nylon nut...never tried that.
    Anything else interesting you care to share. I was not able to try it, but I was able to view a video with good sound.
    It'll be here on Monday, so...I need to fill that time with bothersome questions.
    I have a 2011 Memphis Dot RI that is absolute magic...traded my 339 for that one. Hoping there is some magic in this one!
    Thanks all.

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    Re: ES-335 59 RI...what can you tell me about this one?

    Anyone?

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    Re: ES-335 59 RI...what can you tell me about this one?

    It is Nashville made, it will be a bit different feeling in comparison to your newer Memphis made one. Pickups will be most probably 57 Classics.

    I prefer these Historic Nashville made ones, they have generally lower neck angle and better attention to construction detail, but generally they are less historically accurate.
    My diagnosis is: Hiwatt and Norlinphilia


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    Re: ES-335 59 RI...what can you tell me about this one?

    Thanks for responding! I should be getting it tomorrow. I was reading and it looks as if these have Custombuckers, which I know nothing about. I have Peter Florence Voodoos in the other one, but that is just because I enjoy modding. I'll be interested to see what is under the hood.
    I had a 59 neck on the 339 that I traded for the Memphis, which I liked very much.

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    Re: ES-335 59 RI...what can you tell me about this one?

    Quote Originally Posted by jbear View Post
    I was reading and it looks as if these have Custombuckers, which I know nothing about.
    Then it must be not 2003, but 2013 - which is only better for you. I much prefer Custombuckers over 57 Classics.
    My diagnosis is: Hiwatt and Norlinphilia


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    Re: ES-335 59 RI...what can you tell me about this one?

    Can you tell from the SN? How do you tell the difference between 03 and 13 if that second digit is the year?

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    Re: ES-335 59 RI...what can you tell me about this one?

    So...according to Gibson (who responded pretty quickly...thank you)...they repeat the sn sequence. In other words...can't tell from the SN whether it is 93, 03, or 13 (these weren't made in 93 so that's out).
    Here's what they asked for in order to help:

    "-Any information relating to the known history of the instrument (such as when and where purchased, any known repairs or modifications made)
    -Photos of the instrument – full front, full back, as well as close ups of the front and back of the headstock, also of the serial number and any COA/paperwork that the instrument may have."

    BTW: It won't be coming with paperwork, so photos will have to do.


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    Re: ES-335 59 RI...what can you tell me about this one?

    If it is a 2013, it will be Memphis made and it would have MHS buckers, not Custom Buckers.

    We will require photos, of course.

    And the Label should tell us more. As will the case and COA and packing list and anything else that may or may not come with the guitar.

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    Re: ES-335 59 RI...what can you tell me about this one?

    Ok...first...not sure how to post photos here, but if nothing else I will link to photos on my photography website.
    Only got to unpack and play for about twenty minutes, but...wow! I love that smell!

    Case says: Gibson Custom (Black/Gold/Dk purple inside).
    Orange Label says: Nashville, hang-tags say Historic. Don't have the COA...may come later...I don't care really.
    It's super clean.
    Board is very dark and tight-grained, and not dry at all. Brazilian maybe? Anyway...it's purty.
    Frets show very little wear.
    No chips...no dings...it was sold as "Very Good" but I think they underestimated by a good bit.
    I didn't weigh it, but seller say right at 8lbs. Feels lighter but semis can be deceiving. I should weigh my Memphis...I think it's lighter, but???
    1-The only thing that really matters...plays like muthaf***a Fat neck just like my 339 had...low action (might raise it) but no buzz. Very detailed and loud unplugged...sustains nicely.

    2-Sounds very sweet, airy, and vintage-y as you would expect. I did not have time to pull the PUP's, but I can see the braided wire. Which Gibson PUPs...who knows? I'll get in there when I can to look, but not a priority (plus...Gibson's still tough to ID even when you can see them). I'll have to play it for quite a while before I think about whether it would like another set. Some guitars tell me that from the moment I plug 'em in.

    3-I can see Bumblebees inside...maybe that's a clue for someone? I generally like .015n/.022b, but again...it's happy...so...I'm not likely to mess with it.

    The amps...Ceriatone Overtone Special, Fender 65 DRRI and Blues Jr. Blacface mod, Suhr Badger 18, Winfield Thomas Winfield. Have only gotten to try the Deluxe Rev so far, but if it sounds good through that...the others will be fine.

    That's the lastest for those who are interested. If that gives any insight into year or PUPs...holla.

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    Re: ES-335 59 RI...what can you tell me about this one?

    Quote Originally Posted by mdubya View Post
    If it is a 2013, it will be Memphis made and it would have MHS buckers, not Custom Buckers.
    No, they are still the new Nashville ones even up today, but they are produced in smaller numbers in comparison to "regular" Memphis production. They have different serial number system too...
    My diagnosis is: Hiwatt and Norlinphilia


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    Re: ES-335 59 RI...what can you tell me about this one?

    I yet to play a Nashville other than a natural ES 335 I liked , I played a ebony ES 355 Nashville two weeks ago & a turd it was ! IMO Memphis !
    Ive never confused owning a bunch of high end gear with being some kind of a guitar player I'm a hack and I love guitars

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    Re: ES-335 59 RI...what can you tell me about this one?

    Quote Originally Posted by AA00475Bassman View Post
    I yet to play a Nashville other than a natural ES 335 I liked , I played a ebony ES 355 Nashville two weeks ago & a turd it was ! IMO Memphis !
    That's a shame...glad I'm not you I don't recall if I've ever played a Nashville, but I've had 100+ guitars over the years...every other Nashville on the planet may suck but this one isn't leaving...neither is the Memphis...I feel lucky.

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    Re: ES-335 59 RI...what can you tell me about this one?

    I'm the opposite. Almost EVERY Nashville I have played was sterling. Many Memphis not so much. BUT. The Memphis' have gotten MUCH better of late and I have found few turds since 2015. I still have this Nash. 1998 65 RI 345



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    Re: ES-335 59 RI...what can you tell me about this one?

    Well...not sure how to put pics here for you, but...


    https://www.seymourduncan.com/forum/showthread.php?328522-335-s-Do-you-like-the-later-years/page2



    End of the thread is where the pix be at.

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    Re: ES-335 59 RI...what can you tell me about this one?

    Heard back from Gibson. It's a 2013...Custombuckers.
    So far...they are pretty nice sounding...subtle though. I haven't really played with the height, pole-pieces, or at volume so...can't say for sure. I'm gonna leave it alone for now.
    One thing I still need to ask the Gibson rep is if the pots are 500's...that...will have to happen if not.

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    Re: ES-335 59 RI...what can you tell me about this one?

    Quote Originally Posted by Progrocker111 View Post
    No, they are still the new Nashville ones even up today, but they are produced in smaller numbers in comparison to "regular" Memphis production. They have different serial number system too...

    Even those start life in Memphis as I understand it.

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    Re: ES-335 59 RI...what can you tell me about this one?

    Quote Originally Posted by mdubya View Post
    Even those start life in Memphis as I understand it.
    Yes, but still there are many differences between them, not only in specs.
    My diagnosis is: Hiwatt and Norlinphilia


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    Re: ES-335 59 RI...what can you tell me about this one?

    Quote Originally Posted by Progrocker111 View Post
    Yes, but still there are many differences between them, not only in specs.
    I would expect that, but I'd like to know what those specific differences are. The genesis of Memphis ES production came from the Nashville Custom Shop, and build "quality" is already pretty far up there, so I wonder what the Nashville CS doing that is value added.
    It stands to reason they have to start in Memphis because the specialized equipment used for the ES bodies only exist there, understandably.
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    Re: ES-335 59 RI...what can you tell me about this one?

    Quote Originally Posted by wmachine View Post
    so I wonder what the Nashville CS doing that is value added.
    Only from my personal experience, they are better build and have in average lower neck angles. Otherwise are less historically accurate, for example their 63 Historic model still has big late 50s Mickey Mouse ears, uncorrect for 63 model.
    My diagnosis is: Hiwatt and Norlinphilia


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    Re: ES-335 59 RI...what can you tell me about this one?

    HNGD . I'll add some of what I recall about this time at Gibson . In 2013 , Gibson (Custom shop) started building the newest iteration of 335 '59 RI's that had blister tops(all hide glued construction to) . I'd like to see some pics of the guitar you got .

    Shortly after the run started (IIRC less then, say about 50 guitars ,since Gibson doesn't give output #'s) The production of these guitars was moved to Memphis ,along with the Builders(almost all I think) who did the 335's at the CS to Memphis .That's where the COA or Serial number and pictures can be very helpful .... At the start the COA's were CS and then were Memphis issued . IIRC , the next year Gibson did make some Custom Shop built 335's , but not as Memphis was making as "special" very small runs . I only recall seeing a very few listed
    They are listed as part of the Historic line and carry the "A" prefix also ....

    Mike Voltz did a NAMM Video about these(look for 2013 NAMM Memphis), which was got me to wait and jump on buying 1 when they were available ...

    Todays iteration is not quite the same as the build has changed to speed up production = less Hide glue , plus other changes/refinements were made . Pots were upped to 550K MHS Custom buckers entered the Memphis line . As the original 2013's had (IIRC , I have to look it up) BB's 1 & 2 . Maybe even 57's ....
    This is where the time it was built may provide more info.

    As far as I understand 2017 is when Gibson started using BRW again( for LP's) . So I doubt yours has it .
    I don't recall seeing any BRW 335's last year , but have seen a small run (CS / all Hide glued '59 335 RI's online this year .... If I wasn't in Brazil now and they had a thin 60's neck(or even close to my fat neck size limit) ... I would have already bought 1 ... To big neck size for me .. which bites, since I could find an excuse to buy 1 , if I tried .

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    Re: ES-335 59 RI...what can you tell me about this one?

    Quote Originally Posted by Progrocker111 View Post
    Only from my personal experience, they are better build and have in average lower neck angles. Otherwise are less historically accurate, for example their 63 Historic model still has big late 50s Mickey Mouse ears, uncorrect for 63 model.
    I agree.

    If I may add, for 1959 ES 335s I prefer the Nashville, and for 1963 reissues, I prefer the Memphis. Fortunately, my 63 reissue wasn't like the trainwreck described in this thread, so I miss letting go of it. They can build a good guitar- just not bang on 100% it seems.

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    Re: ES-335 59 RI...what can you tell me about this one?

    Pictures linked in post #14
    COA isn't the black Memphis type...it's bigger and is sorta orange-ey(?) ...I suppose is the best description.
    Gibson says Nashville as does the label. That is all I can say...so far.

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    Re: ES-335 59 RI...what can you tell me about this one?

    Quote Originally Posted by jbear View Post
    Pictures linked in post #14
    COA isn't the black Memphis type...it's bigger and is sorta orange-ey(?) ...I suppose is the best description.
    Gibson says Nashville as does the label. That is all I can say...so far.
    If it is a 59 and the serial starts with A and the back of the headstock is clean, tuners are kluson, oversized pickguard, top hat knobs, thinner binding, wider frets, no memphis coa, then it is a nashville.

    Just saw the pics. It is a nashville

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