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    Re: What player made 'Bursts popular?

    Clapton with the Bluesbreakers started it. Period. As the guitar and amp you had to have to get that sound.
    Bloomfield.... not so much in my opinion. It seems he got one much later than when his initial influential recordings were made. And he didn’t use Marshalls. Keith’s influence not so much either.

    No doubt Page is responsible for them costing big bucks from the mid 80’s onward.

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    Re: What player made 'Bursts popular?

    Quote Originally Posted by bern1 View Post
    No doubt Page is responsible for them costing big bucks from the mid 80’s onward.
    Not really. That would be Kosta.
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    Re: What player made 'Bursts popular?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Wittrock View Post
    Not really. That would be Kosta.
    Indeed.

    Page is hardly a collector who drives up prices. In fact, he's known as "Led Wallet".

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    Re: What player made 'Bursts popular?

    Quote Originally Posted by Xpensive Wino View Post
    What fun I had with those T-tops.


    So did Jimmy & Jimi

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    Re: What player made 'Bursts popular?

    Quote Originally Posted by Texas Blues View Post

    When I was a kid in Austin TX in the 70's and first heard "La Grange" on the radio...

    I didn't care what the guitar was.

    It was about the music.
    Well said Texas.

    Different location, different song, same effect for me.

    The music made me want to do "this thing" - that first kiss .... the other obsessions followed.
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    Re: What player made 'Bursts popular?

    Quote Originally Posted by Xpensive Wino View Post
    Indeed.

    Page is hardly a collector who drives up prices. In fact, he's known as "Led Wallet".
    Kosta actually played guitar?

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    Re: What player made 'Bursts popular?

    Quote Originally Posted by bern1 View Post
    Kosta actually played guitar?
    I don't know. Why do you ask?

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    Re: What player made 'Bursts popular?

    Quote Originally Posted by bern1 View Post
    Kosta actually played guitar?
    Yes, but that's not relevant to the point.
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    Re: What player made 'Bursts popular?

    Quote Originally Posted by Xpensive Wino View Post
    Perhaps it was for many.

    Yet it's a fact that Eric himself abandoned the sunburst Les Paul Standard in favour of the Les Paul Custom, 335 and SG after forming The Cream.

    I didn't follow his lead at the time.

    Did you?
    The first Les Paul / "burst" players on my radar were Duane Allman and Dicky Betts. I heard them way before I heard the Bluesbreakers album.

    I think who played a burst first is different than what player made it popular. IMO, the player(s) that made it popular were the players who were ubiquitous and omnipresent with a burst on the media of the day. So the influence in England may be different timeline and degree than in the states; especially, players who made it popular "early on" in England may not have had nearly the influence on players in the states.

    So, I guess there were early adopters (like Clapton) who then inspired later players (Kossoff, Allman, Page and even Gibbons) who carried it much further. That is kind of how I see it from a USA perspective. Others, of course may have experienced it different certainly.

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    Re: What player made 'Bursts popular?

    Quote Originally Posted by buckaroo View Post
    The first Les Paul / "burst" players on my radar were Duane Allman and Dicky Betts. I heard them way before I heard the Bluesbreakers album.

    I think who played a burst first is different than what player made it popular. IMO, the player(s) that made it popular were the players who were ubiquitous and omnipresent with a burst on the media of the day. So the influence in England may be different timeline and degree than in the states; especially, players who made it popular "early on" in England may not have had nearly the influence on players in the states.

    So, I guess there were early adopters (like Clapton) who then inspired later players (Kossoff, Allman, Page and even Gibbons) who carried it much further. That is kind of how I see it from a USA perspective. Others, of course may have experienced it different certainly.
    I'd have to say the ABB for me too. I remember reading Jean-Charles Costa's take on Duane and Dickey's tone on the liner of the Beginnings album. I still didn't know exactly what a Les Paul really was - other than an electric guitar that these boys knew their way around. And I blame FM radio of the day also - I started listening about 1970. They didn't play Bloomfield and too much of the Bluesbreakers except,' Room to Move'...a lot. I had played a couple LP's early on when I thought ALL volume and tone knobs should be at 11, and they sounded horrible to me. Now, I'm still discovering nuances those 4 knobs give you. But I digress, ABB, Page, then much later, Clapton, for m. In that order.

    Oh, then Elliot Easton and Bonamassa, of course! Gotta give those members some love!
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    Re: What player made 'Bursts popular?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Wittrock View Post
    Yes, but that's not relevant to the point.
    It is when you bring him up in a thread about influential players of sunburst Les Pauls.

    Certainly he was a well known “player”.

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    Re: What player made 'Bursts popular?

    Quote Originally Posted by bern1 View Post
    It is when you bring him up in a thread about influential players of sunburst Les Pauls.

    Certainly he was a well known “player”.
    Comprehension and context are important parts of reading. Had you bothered to employ these you'd have realised the context of the quote about price that Tom replied to and could then comprehend his meaning.
    The older I get, the better I was.

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    Re: What player made 'Bursts popular?

    Quote Originally Posted by Texas Blues View Post
    When I was a kid in Austin TX in the 70's and first heard "La Grange" on the radio...

    I didn't care what the guitar was.


    It was mostly a Strat.
    The older I get, the better I was.

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    Re: What player made 'Bursts popular?

    Quote Originally Posted by Big Al View Post
    It was mostly a Strat.
    Indeed it was.

    “La Grange”
    Tres Hombres (1973)

    “That is straight guitar into amp: a 1955 Strat with a stop tailpiece through a 1969 Marshall Super Lead 100. That fuzz sound in the lead and in the front and back end of the composition is just pure tube distortion. Pickup-setting differentials account for the different tones. The opening part was played on what we used to call ‘the mystery setting’ in the dark days before the existence of the five-way toggle switch, when finding that perfect ’tweener required dedication.

    “That Marshall amp, which was a trusted friend through the first six records, was an import brought over by Jeff Beck’s at-the-time tech. I had four of those babies, and they were my main road amps for years. I ran them through cabinets with those Greenback speakers. They still retain a distinctive, rich, enjoyable tone and are well worth owning. I must, however, advise anyone fortunate enough to find one to beware of the variable power plugs. The 220 setting doesn’t work very well outside of the 220 countries, as I can tell you from experience. We had more than a few paper-clip nights over the years.”



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    Re: What player made 'Bursts popular?

    Quote Originally Posted by Texas Blues View Post
    Gibson Les Paul fits my hand.

    I have small hands.

    Even the 50's baseball bats feel good to me

    As do the slim 60's.

    And they sound like hot redhead crazy women.

    Moaning at midnight.

    Influential real bursts have nothing to do with it.

    When I was a kid in Austin TX in the 70's and first heard "La Grange" on the radio...

    I didn't care what the guitar was.

    It was about the music.
    As others stated many. But I believe the first was Clapton with Beano. Everyone else followed suit because of THAT tone.

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    Re: What player made 'Bursts popular?

    Quote Originally Posted by buckaroo View Post
    The first Les Paul / "burst" players on my radar were Duane Allman and Dicky Betts. I heard them way before I heard the Bluesbreakers album.

    I think who played a burst first is different than what player made it popular. IMO, the player(s) that made it popular were the players who were ubiquitous and omnipresent with a burst on the media of the day. So the influence in England may be different timeline and degree than in the states; especially, players who made it popular "early on" in England may not have had nearly the influence on players in the states.

    So, I guess there were early adopters (like Clapton) who then inspired later players (Kossoff, Allman, Page and even Gibbons) who carried it much further. That is kind of how I see it from a USA perspective. Others, of course may have experienced it different certainly.
    Spot on!

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    Re: What player made 'Bursts popular?

    Quote Originally Posted by bern1 View Post

    No doubt Page is responsible for them costing big bucks from the mid 80’s onward.
    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Wittrock View Post
    Not really. That would be Kosta.
    Quote Originally Posted by bern1 View Post
    It is when you bring him up in a thread about influential players of sunburst Les Pauls.

    Certainly he was a well known “player”.
    As you can see, I clearly replied to your statement about being "responsible for them costing big bucks from the mid 80’s onward."

    I was really involved in the Burst market throughout the 80s and the drastic rise in prices was a direct result of Kosta's intense Burst buying. It had nothing to do with playing ability. It had everything to do with "costing big bucks from mid 80's onward".
    I was there, so I guess you'll just have to take my word for it. [even though it has been often discussed for about 30 years]

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    Re: What player made 'Bursts popular?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wizard1183 View Post
    As others stated many. But I believe the first was Clapton with Beano. Everyone else followed suit because of THAT tone.
    Not everyone, as pointed out in the opening post.
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    Re: What player made 'Bursts popular?

    Quote Originally Posted by Big Al View Post
    It was mostly a Strat.
    Like I said.

    I didn't care what the guitar was.

    When I heard it.

    I was stompin' my foot.

    And she was shakin' her ass.

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    Re: What player made 'Bursts popular?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Wittrock View Post
    Not everyone, as pointed out in the opening post.
    You’re right. Not everyone. Just ones who picked up a Les Oaul because of Clapton.

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    Re: What player made 'Bursts popular?

    I like to be liking this thread.

    And interesting enough.

    Consider this.

    Clapton, Page, Beck.

    All Yardbirds.

    All Les Paul players.

    All three with iconic Les Pauls.

    And then there's Billy.

    Certainly he played a strat on La Grange.

    But to this day Elwood would tell you that every guitar Billy plays is eq'd exactly to Pearly.

    And then along came some dude named Ace.

    He sold more Les Pauls than all the previous mentioned put together.

    That is...

    Until another British guy named Saul came along.

    And now to get really freaky.

    There was this guy named Jim Marshall.

    Its like a worldwide conspiracy to take over the music world!

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    Re: What player made 'Bursts popular?

    So from this thread we can take it that EC, MB and JP made bursts popular in the '60s..........you only had to look at record covers to see that PG, MT, JB and DA used them also........ and the rest add to the history......to present day.
    Is there anything more.

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    Re: What player made 'Bursts popular?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Wittrock View Post
    Not really. That would be Kosta.
    Question for Tom....who is Kosta? I have not heard that name before.

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    Re: What player made 'Bursts popular?

    Many thanks Mssr. Wino.

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    Re: What player made 'Bursts popular?

    Quote Originally Posted by Texas Blues View Post

    That is...

    Until another British guy named Saul came along.
    Saul is British?
    I never knew that.
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    Re: What player made 'Bursts popular?

    Quote Originally Posted by buckaroo View Post
    Question for Tom....who is Kosta? I have not heard that name before.
    Kosta Kovachev started buying quantities of Bursts in the mid/late 80's and the market changed dramatically as he did.
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    Re: What player made 'Bursts popular?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Wittrock View Post
    Kosta Kovachev started buying quantities of Bursts in the mid/late 80's and the market changed dramatically as he did.
    Same guy? "U.S. judge hands broker nearly 4 years for fraud."

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-d...62U5K220100331

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    Re: What player made 'Bursts popular?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Wittrock View Post
    Saul is British?
    I never knew that.

    Born in Hampstead. Lived in Stoke on Trent until he was 5.

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    Re: What player made 'Bursts popular?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ed Driscoll View Post
    Same guy? "U.S. judge hands broker nearly 4 years for fraud."

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-d...62U5K220100331

    Yes, same guy.

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    Re: What player made 'Bursts popular?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Wittrock View Post
    Saul is British?
    I never knew that.
    Tom you made a life of knowing about some things.

    The rest of us think we know about some things.

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    Pretty cool.

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    Re: What player made 'Bursts popular?

    Quote Originally Posted by Texas Blues View Post
    Tom you made a life of knowing about some things.

    The rest of us think we know about some things.
    I have forgotten a lot of that, making room for other things [or just losing it ].

    But I still think I know something.
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