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    Re: The Fabled Les Paul/Gibson tuning issues?

    This is the whole fun thing about them tuning issues etc. You really need to get to know your Paul in and out.

    Once you get her where you would interact with such aggression and smoothness as to play her? You will will know where her sweet spot is and you remember how you tweaked her from all the adjustments and swapping from pickups to string gauges/cutting nuts etc. You would have forgotten all that tuning issues are just all in your head.
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    Re: The Fabled Les Paul/Gibson tuning issues?

    RandK and Trans-Am - thanks for the responses.


    Am based in the UK - will see what book options are available. Am pretty hands on with other stuff, not sure what the mental block is here. The more I read about this stuff, with a little care and incremental changes - the more do-able it seems.


    So... the action will be going up a touch on classic and R9. The satin will need a bit more thought.


    Just at work but looking forward to getting some playing in tonight - cheers!

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    Re: The Fabled Les Paul/Gibson tuning issues?

    Good Luck as you will get there as well as a good technician just in case etc. Good to ask questions as well from them so to get an idea of the basics. There you can little by little do all of that stuff and get her where your personal taste and adjustments is just right there for your playing pleasure.
    We all went down that road and I am still learning other shit here and there with my other instruments.

    Online sources as well helps besides the great helping members here that are more than willing to share openly and privately.

    Cheers and enjoy the chase!
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    Re: The Fabled Les Paul/Gibson tuning issues?

    2 simple mods I have done that have improved my Gibson's tuning stability;
    1: Widening the back of the nut slots (with a welding tip cleaner) so that the strings are "eased" off in the direction towards the tuning peg, rather than at a 90 degree angle.
    2: locking tuners.

    I can't know if it was the tuners or the widening that was most helpful but it worked. Yesterday I could jam for several songs, including solos with G & B string bends & when I checked the strobe it was almost perfect. I think the locking tuners are most important because previous widening of the back of the nut slots didn't improve tuning this radically.


    Assuming you already use nut sauce or some other lubricant on nut slots & saddles. Personally, I prefer a dedicated lubricant to pencil graphite.
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    Re: The Fabled Les Paul/Gibson tuning issues?

    Quote Originally Posted by lns View Post
    2 simple mods I have done that have improved my Gibson's tuning stability;
    1: Widening the back of the nut slots (with a welding tip cleaner) so that the strings are "eased" off in the direction towards the tuning peg, rather than at a 90 degree angle.
    2: locking tuners.

    I can't know if it was the tuners or the widening that was most helpful but it worked. Yesterday I could jam for several songs, including solos with G & B string bends & when I checked the strobe it was almost perfect. I think the locking tuners are most important because previous widening of the back of the nut slots didn't improve tuning this radically.


    Assuming you already use nut sauce or some other lubricant on nut slots & saddles. Personally, I prefer a dedicated lubricant to pencil graphite.
    I seem to have one LPS that has none of the issues but my LP Gothic seems to have binding issue with the B string which I'm attributing to the nut. Graphite seems to help slightly (where it has worked pretty well on other axes) but I still have occasional problems.

    I intend to have the guitar Plek'd, incongruities addressed and a new nut installed by a great local shop here.

    Another thing that I've been thinking about with Gibsons in general is that I wonder what might effect "staggered height" tuning posts might have on issues like this....? I bought a Suhr Classic Antique S, essentially combining many qualities of vintage strats with modern improvements (staggered height locking tuners, Gotoh 501 bridge, "silent" electronics) which pushed me to make a significant investment beyond the exclusivity that Gibsons have enjoyed in my collection for the past 20 years. Never thought I'd own a strat....but I gotta admit, its a helluva unit. Time will tell if it gets traded for something else.....

    Thoughts?

    Note: I know that there have been changes to the Gibson LP lineup and that there are "modern" LPs that have updates in the form of PNP wiring harnesses, sculpted neck joints etc. I haven't taken a look at these in any detail so please forgive any oversights if someone had the same thoughts in Nashville.
    I've noticed that my amps are alot like my kitchen blender: They do their best work when set to "liquefy".....

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    Re: The Fabled Les Paul/Gibson tuning issues?

    Quote Originally Posted by Trans-Am View Post
    This is the whole fun thing about them tuning issues etc. You really need to get to know your Paul in and out.

    Once you get her where you would interact with such aggression and smoothness as to play her? You will will know where her sweet spot is and you remember how you tweaked her from all the adjustments and swapping from pickups to string gauges/cutting nuts etc. You would have forgotten all that tuning issues are just all in your head.
    Very good observation ! Have you been chatting up my tech ? As you have described me to a tee ( damn Golf in my brain ) I have only one Gibson Les Paul that has drove me nuts , to the extent that I trashed the nut and the ABR-1 bridge and it is with my tech to replace and resolve this issue once and for all !

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    Re: The Fabled Les Paul/Gibson tuning issues?

    Quote Originally Posted by Don View Post
    I think it just takes a little more skill to set up the nut on a Gibson. Anyone can deal with the nut on a Fender.
    I'm finding this to be the case, after hundreds of setups, including Gibsons. My playing has changed, and I now bend A LOT. I play a tele most of the time, but recently playing my LP more, and I'm getting nut slippage on every tune with the Gibson, where I get none on my Fenders (or my 60's ES). I've worked the nut several times, tried different forms of dry lube, and those 15/17th fret bends aren't going back to pitch. I think the black nut is Corian. I've noticed, the nut is chiseled, so the contact area with the string is pretty small, almost pointed contact. Fenders and older Gibsons have a longer string contact, more of a string slot bed with some decent length. I'm looking at my 40's, 50's, and 60's Gibsons that don't have this chiseled shaped nut. I'm wondering if this is part of my issue. I'm about to replace the nut with Bone or Micarta or something else, and use the older profile. It will get fixed.

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    Re: The Fabled Les Paul/Gibson tuning issues?

    Lube yer nutts ...

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    Re: The Fabled Les Paul/Gibson tuning issues?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackjack30 View Post
    Lube yer nutts ...
    This does help (big bends nut sauce )

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    Re: The Fabled Les Paul/Gibson tuning issues?

    Giving it ago as I'm relunctant to cut away at my LP nut (not worried about my other stuff). Seems to do the trick


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    Re: The Fabled Les Paul/Gibson tuning issues?

    Quote Originally Posted by WytLytnyn View Post
    I seem to have one LPS that has none of the issues but my LP Gothic seems to have binding issue with the B string which I'm attributing to the nut. Graphite seems to help slightly (where it has worked pretty well on other axes) but I still have occasional problems.

    I intend to have the guitar Plek'd, incongruities addressed and a new nut installed by a great local shop here.

    Another thing that I've been thinking about with Gibsons in general is that I wonder what might effect "staggered height" tuning posts might have on issues like this....? I bought a Suhr Classic Antique S, essentially combining many qualities of vintage strats with modern improvements (staggered height locking tuners, Gotoh 501 bridge, "silent" electronics) which pushed me to make a significant investment beyond the exclusivity that Gibsons have enjoyed in my collection for the past 20 years. Never thought I'd own a strat....but I gotta admit, its a helluva unit. Time will tell if it gets traded for something else.....

    Thoughts?

    Note: I know that there have been changes to the Gibson LP lineup and that there are "modern" LPs that have updates in the form of PNP wiring harnesses, sculpted neck joints etc. I haven't taken a look at these in any detail so please forgive any oversights if someone had the same thoughts in Nashville.
    Fender-style instruments need string trees or staggered tuners because the headstock is straight. Gibson’s headstocks are steeply angled backwards, which eliminates the need for string trees.
    it’s because there needs to be pressure on the string towards the back of the but slot so that the string between the front of the nut slot & bridge can ring freely. If you have a completely straight headstock with neither string trees nor staggered tuners the string might wobble inside the slots when you play & it will sound bad. Adding string trees to solve this inherent design flaw with every fender guitar introduces tuning issues because you’re adding another point of friction for the string to stick to, which is why staggered tuners exist. Some say it’s not enough of an angle with staggered tuners but it’s better than using string trees because they always mess with the tuning IMO.

    there is a string tree type product for Gibsons called the string butler which forces the string angle to become straight, but it didn’t really solve the issue, plus it looked bad IMO.

    I used to pencil my nut slots but when I started using Big Bends Nut Sauce it really was an improvement. Every little thing helps.

    if you get a professional to cut your nut or install a new one, ask him to cut it to accommodate for the ADGB string pull.
    I assume professionals install & cut the nuts at Gibson yet their slots always have a straight back of the nut slot edge, whether it’s on the E string slots or the D & G string slots

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    Re: The Fabled Les Paul/Gibson tuning issues?

    I have 5 Gibson guitars.

    2 Les Pauls.

    A Jr.

    2 V's.

    All with P90's.

    Both V's have Bigsby's.

    As does one Lester.

    I also have a National Resonator.

    Some other cheapass guitars.

    I've never had tuning issues.

    Never had tuners slip.

    Don't use locking tuners.

    Don't use nut sauce.

    Graphite.

    Pencil lead.

    Wienerschlicker.

    Wham whams.

    Or Zuzu's.

    I'm 60 years old.

    And play guitars.

    Ever day.

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    Re: The Fabled Les Paul/Gibson tuning issues?

    Quote Originally Posted by Texas Blues View Post
    I have 5 Gibson guitars.

    2 Les Pauls.

    A Jr.

    2 V's.

    All with P90's.

    Both V's have Bigsby's.

    As does one Lester.

    I also have a National Resonator.

    Some other cheapass guitars.

    I've never had tuning issues.

    Never had tuners slip.

    Don't use locking tuners.

    Don't use nut sauce.

    Graphite.

    Pencil lead.

    Wienerschlicker.

    Wham whams.

    Or Zuzu's.

    I'm 60 years old.

    And play guitars.

    Ever day.
    Good for you! I’m 35 years old, have 3 Gibsons & have played many more. I have never played a Gibson that stays in tune as well as a straight string travel design. I have never met anyone IRL that didn’t have the same problem with all of his Gibsons.
    Some are better than others though, but none as good as a Straight headstock instrument.

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    Re: The Fabled Les Paul/Gibson tuning issues?

    Quote Originally Posted by lns View Post
    Good for you! I’m 35 years old, have 3 Gibsons & have played many more. I have never played a Gibson that stays in tune as well as a straight string travel design. I have never met anyone IRL that didn’t have the same problem with all of his Gibsons.
    Some are better than others though, but none as good as a Straight headstock instrument.
    But of course you are right.

    I can't believe that I and others.

    Especially on this forum.

    Were so duped and mislead.

    Into thinking.

    That Gibson guitars stay in tune.

    As good as other guitars.

    Gibson sucks!

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    Re: The Fabled Les Paul/Gibson tuning issues?

    The only 2 Gibsons I've ever had tuning struggles with....
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    For that matter, the only 2 guitars I've ever had tuning struggles with....

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    Re: The Fabled Les Paul/Gibson tuning issues?

    I just bought a new Les paul standard pro epiphone guitar ...It sounds amazing and I love it. But I can't keep the G string in tune. I took the guitar back to the store and told the guy I wanted to exchange it with the same model. tried 3 different guitars of the same model and they all kept going out of tune. looked it up on the internet and come to find out the gibsons/lespauls are notorous for having tuning problems. Shareit apk vidmate app
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    Re: The Fabled Les Paul/Gibson tuning issues?

    My LP's stay in tune better than my guitars with locking nuts/Floyd Rose Trems.
    Proper set up
    Proper Nut Slots
    and Big Benz Nut Sauce Always.

    It also amazes me how many guys tune their guitar wrong as well and wonder why its going out of tune

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    Re: The Fabled Les Paul/Gibson tuning issues?

    Quote Originally Posted by LeMonguer View Post
    So I've watched a bunch of Youtube vids, and even had folks comment back stage at shows that Gibson's don't stay in tune. "nah brah, I need a floyd rose just to stay in tune dude... I don't even use the wammy, just the locking nut" (to later go on stage and make faces while imitating Dave Mustain... poorly...)

    I've never noticed this being an issue, and I've owned 6 of em over the years. Any tuning issues i did have where either from playing very very hard, broken necks/heal joints or some other physical damage.

    The story goes that because of the extreme headstock angle, and the compound angle of the D and G strings, the D and G strings will skip high because of bind at the nut, or some such BS, Hence Gibson going so far as to install brass nuts, with a zero fret, or graphite nuts (both blasphemy BTW) or the robo tuners that some folks like.

    Personally, the one and only Les Paul I had the had tuning issues was solved by having it set up correctly, and winding the strings in an even and tight fasion, I.E. not a ball of yarn on the headstock. Poof guitar that would not stay in tune for 10 minutes has been in tune for about a month now.... with regular play, and not even in a temperature controlled environment.

    Anyhow, I ramble... Whats yer thoughts on the Fabled Gibson Tuning issues
    All my Les Pauls and SG’s that came with white colored nuts work just fine with no tuning issues whatsoever. That being said, I have a Les Paul that came with a black nut that was lifeless and had horrible tuning stability. The material is different , with the black nut feeling much softer compared to the white nut. I replaced with a Tusq nut and now it plays and sounds awesome and alive

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    Re: The Fabled Les Paul/Gibson tuning issues?

    Quote Originally Posted by TcRoc View Post
    My LP's stay in tune better than my guitars with locking nuts/Floyd Rose Trems.
    Proper set up
    Proper Nut Slots
    and Big Benz Nut Sauce Always.

    It also amazes me how many guys tune their guitar wrong as well and wonder why its going out of tune
    Please share on how to properly tune a Les Paul/ or any other guitar ?

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    Re: The Fabled Les Paul/Gibson tuning issues?

    Quote Originally Posted by El Gringo View Post
    Please share on how to properly tune a Les Paul/ or any other guitar ?

    There is a video in the thread that shows just that.

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    Re: The Fabled Les Paul/Gibson tuning issues?

    Quote Originally Posted by SPSandman View Post
    There is a video in the thread that shows just that.
    Perfect explanation and no evidence to support your remark . How lame when you make a statement and then refer me to watch a video . I certainly know very well how to tune a guitar from playing for 43 years .

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    Re: The Fabled Les Paul/Gibson tuning issues?

    Quote Originally Posted by barrysingh102 View Post
    I just bought a new Les paul standard pro epiphone guitar ...It sounds amazing and I love it. But I can't keep the G string in tune. I took the guitar back to the store and told the guy I wanted to exchange it with the same model. tried 3 different guitars of the same model and they all kept going out of tune. looked it up on the internet and come to find out the gibsons/lespauls are notorous for having tuning problems. Shareit apk vidmate app

    Because:

    Played correctly a Gibson Les Paul is DESIGNED...

    to knock the G-Strings clear off'n the fans!


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    Re: The Fabled Les Paul/Gibson tuning issues?

    I did not read every post, so forgive me if someone has said this.

    Some do not know how to cut a nut for Gibson style head stock. I seem to think that Gibson does not know anymore either.

    The keys to a successful Gibson style nut is three fold.
    1. Shallow slots that are polished and to string gauge.
    2. The fallaway on the back of the nut must be pronounced. To keep the angles out of the groove.
    3. A, D, G and B slots need to be faded in the direction of the post. It is a subtle curve.

    Been doing this and satisfying Gibson customers for years.

    It is sticking and ticking on the angle. It can sound like it is the bridge saddle too. Had a customer swear it was ticking at the saddle. Fix the slot to his no's and handed it to him. No more tick at the saddle. These guitars can be tricky.

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    Re: The Fabled Les Paul/Gibson tuning issues?

    Quote Originally Posted by lns View Post
    Good for you! I’m 35 years old, have 3 Gibsons & have played many more. I have never played a Gibson that stays in tune as well as a straight string travel design. I have never met anyone IRL that didn’t have the same problem with all of his Gibsons.
    Some are better than others though, but none as good as a Straight headstock instrument.
    Well, you ain't met me or Texas Blues!

    Mid-'30s? Wish I was. Been stringing and tuning my Gibsons since 1970...

    Anyway, I posted this on page 2 of this thread, so it may have got lost in the mists of time for new readers and posters of this thread, yourself included:

    "Somewhat late to the party, but for what it's worth, here's what I have posted on another forum:
    "A badly cut nut is not, per se, a tuning problem. It is a badly cut nut problem. That needs to be addressed independently of anything else, either by having the slots cut correctly or the nut replaced. A nut problem

    Ditto for tuners. All the tuner does is hold the string. If a tuner's gears are slipping, it is a TUNER problem, not a tuning problem. Replace the tuner with one that operates correctly. A tuner problem.

    When nut and tuners are OK, the problem comes down to the individual person stabilising the tuning of the strings by making sure they go through the procedure to take all slack out of them. That is not done by tuning down and just reaching pitch. Just do that, and the guitar will go out of tune in a couple of minutes. The number of times I've seen people do that at jams and gigs... And then they lament that their guitar won't stay in tune..."

    I also posted this:
    "First of all, read this:
    Tuning – the Guild of American Luthiers Data Sheet #45 | DrKevGuitar.com

    Read the above link, and absorb it completely. It may disappoint you to read that the guitar, being a tempered instrument, will never be in tune perfectly. In other words, we all have to live with the slight imperfections, overall, in tuning a guitar.

    Obviously, the first thing to get right is the intonation, and that is not a difficult thing to learn, and a trained ear or a good tuner will get you there, as far as possible.

    You also need to break in your strings so that any slack is taken out of them. This involves stretching and pulling them, and returning them to pitch. Once they are stable, and intonated, you are well on your way.

    I will reiterate what others have said above regarding the pressure you apply to the strings when fretting, PARTICULARLY in the lower register around the first three frets. An additional thing that you should do, which I don't think has been mentioned, is that you should always tune to the 'attack'. This simply means that you should tune your guitar applying the pressure you would normally apply to the fretted strings when playing. This requires you to tune to fretted positions, not to open strings. What you should NOT do is tune with what is termed a 'soft' hand (i.e. very lightly) and then play with your normal fretting pressure. If you do, it will sound out in many positions.

    Given what I have said in my second paragraph, what I do at home, and out gigging, is to tune the first, second, fourth and fifth strings to pitch. I then tune the third string a few cents flat, and likewise the sixth string. You should then find the slight dissonance you expect from the third string when playing an open 'G' or 'C' chord will sound somewhat like a 12-string; 'E' and 'D' in the first position should sound OK. Likewise the sixth string tuned down a few cents should give the same slight dissonance in the root position, but moving up the neck and playing barre chords (say major chords), the sixth should sound fine against the octave fourth string. For example, 7th fret fourth string against the 5th fret sixth string should sound fine.

    The nut is a 'set-up' issue which impacts upon the tuning. The 'G' is particularly prone to 'binding', given the angle it is coming through the nut at, which increases the chances of binding, particularly when bending the string while soloing. It is a matter of working the slot until it no longer binds when you bend the string.

    One final set-up point. Check you bridge saddles also. When tuned to pitch, make sure there is absolutely no chance of movement in those saddles. Might sound like a statement of the bleedin' obvious with the guitar tuned to pitch and the downward pressure exerted on the saddles, but there is no harm in checking everything possible is OK."

    Some of the above repeats what has already been said."

    And I'd take a Gibson over a straight-string pull Banjocaster any day...
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    Re: The Fabled Les Paul/Gibson tuning issues?

    Les Paul's have more downpressure at the nut, so the strings can get pinched when bent. When you restring add graphite (from a pencil, or you can buy 'nutsauce') to the nut slots before the strings. If that doesn't help, you may want to get a tech to sand the nut grooves to allow for better sliding of the strings.
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    Re: The Fabled Les Paul/Gibson tuning issues?

    Quote Originally Posted by John Vasco View Post
    Well, you ain't met me or Texas Blues!

    Mid-'30s? Wish I was. Been stringing and tuning my Gibsons since 1970...

    Anyway, I posted this on page 2 of this thread, so it may have got lost in the mists of time for new readers and posters of this thread, yourself included:

    "Somewhat late to the party, but for what it's worth, here's what I have posted on another forum:
    "A badly cut nut is not, per se, a tuning problem. It is a badly cut nut problem. That needs to be addressed independently of anything else, either by having the slots cut correctly or the nut replaced. A nut problem

    Ditto for tuners. All the tuner does is hold the string. If a tuner's gears are slipping, it is a TUNER problem, not a tuning problem. Replace the tuner with one that operates correctly. A tuner problem.

    When nut and tuners are OK, the problem comes down to the individual person stabilising the tuning of the strings by making sure they go through the procedure to take all slack out of them. That is not done by tuning down and just reaching pitch. Just do that, and the guitar will go out of tune in a couple of minutes. The number of times I've seen people do that at jams and gigs... And then they lament that their guitar won't stay in tune..."

    I also posted this:
    "First of all, read this:
    Tuning – the Guild of American Luthiers Data Sheet #45 | DrKevGuitar.com

    Read the above link, and absorb it completely. It may disappoint you to read that the guitar, being a tempered instrument, will never be in tune perfectly. In other words, we all have to live with the slight imperfections, overall, in tuning a guitar.

    Obviously, the first thing to get right is the intonation, and that is not a difficult thing to learn, and a trained ear or a good tuner will get you there, as far as possible.

    You also need to break in your strings so that any slack is taken out of them. This involves stretching and pulling them, and returning them to pitch. Once they are stable, and intonated, you are well on your way.

    I will reiterate what others have said above regarding the pressure you apply to the strings when fretting, PARTICULARLY in the lower register around the first three frets. An additional thing that you should do, which I don't think has been mentioned, is that you should always tune to the 'attack'. This simply means that you should tune your guitar applying the pressure you would normally apply to the fretted strings when playing. This requires you to tune to fretted positions, not to open strings. What you should NOT do is tune with what is termed a 'soft' hand (i.e. very lightly) and then play with your normal fretting pressure. If you do, it will sound out in many positions.

    Given what I have said in my second paragraph, what I do at home, and out gigging, is to tune the first, second, fourth and fifth strings to pitch. I then tune the third string a few cents flat, and likewise the sixth string. You should then find the slight dissonance you expect from the third string when playing an open 'G' or 'C' chord will sound somewhat like a 12-string; 'E' and 'D' in the first position should sound OK. Likewise the sixth string tuned down a few cents should give the same slight dissonance in the root position, but moving up the neck and playing barre chords (say major chords), the sixth should sound fine against the octave fourth string. For example, 7th fret fourth string against the 5th fret sixth string should sound fine.

    The nut is a 'set-up' issue which impacts upon the tuning. The 'G' is particularly prone to 'binding', given the angle it is coming through the nut at, which increases the chances of binding, particularly when bending the string while soloing. It is a matter of working the slot until it no longer binds when you bend the string.

    One final set-up point. Check you bridge saddles also. When tuned to pitch, make sure there is absolutely no chance of movement in those saddles. Might sound like a statement of the bleedin' obvious with the guitar tuned to pitch and the downward pressure exerted on the saddles, but there is no harm in checking everything possible is OK."

    Some of the above repeats what has already been said."

    And I'd take a Gibson over a straight-string pull Banjocaster any day...
    Very well said and I believe you have covered all bases and left nothing out !

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    Re: The Fabled Les Paul/Gibson tuning issues?

    I have 8 or 9 Les Pauls and Jrs. They all stay in tune. I can play a whole hour set and hardly need to tweak anything. Some guys here are just doing it wrong. Maybe you should get a self tuning robot les paul and leave the real guitars to someone who knows Gibsons. Yeah I said it.

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    Re: The Fabled Les Paul/Gibson tuning issues?

    Les Paul's have more downpressure at the nut, so the strings can get pinched when bent. When you restring add graphite (from a pencil, or you can buy 'nutsauce') to the nut slots before the strings. If that doesn't help, you may want to get a tech to sand the nut grooves to allow for better sliding of the strings.
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    Re: The Fabled Les Paul/Gibson tuning issues?

    I have had several Les Paul's and 335's over the past 25 years. I love them and currently have a couple, with a 335 and a Firebird. I love my Tele's and Strat's as well.

    I have never owned a LP with a tuning issue that couldn't be fixed by one of the various method's raised in this thread relating to string stretching, nut slotting + lubing or bridge/saddle tweeking. I now do this myself which I'm fine with. It just goes with the territory of the Les Paul and its design. Not a "design flaw" IMO, just a design characteristic.

    I will however raise one pet peeve that I have with Gibson about it and that is the inconsistency of the nut work from the factory. Over 25 years of owning, trading, selling and again buying new, I have had LP's fresh out of the box that had superb nut work - correct string slot depth and break angle - not a single lick of tuning issues. More times than not though, string slot depth is all over the map (from guitar to guitar I mean), as is string spacing, string slot width and angle to tuner. I swear I've had some Lesters where the string slots looked like they were melted in with a hot wire jig of some sort. My point (and pet peeve) is that these premium priced guitars ("Only a Gibson is Good Enough")should all be leaving the factory with properly prepped nuts. IMO, Gibson should tighten up their specs in this regard and ensure a more consistent performance from the factory techs who do this critical work.

    Just sharing my two cents here. Cheers!

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    Re: The Fabled Les Paul/Gibson tuning issues?

    old is gold

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    Re: The Fabled Les Paul/Gibson tuning issues?

    A tuner doesnt lie. I LOVE my 2019 Gibson Les Paul, but I had to search for ways to keep it in tune. I use now the String Butler and Nut Sauce and it seems ok after the new strings have settled in. It's a real issue. All the other guitars in my herd are stable, but my Gibson was almost unplayable due to tuning instability. I have the tuning function on my AxeFx 3 constantly with my Les Paul to compensate. That said - I love it more than any other guitar I have.

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