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Beano(?)-Maybe?

Patek

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What is a "top end collector"? :hmm


I just made the phrase up, doesn’t mean anything but made sense to me to say top end as people usually refer to Gibson customshop and fender custom shop guitars and the like as “high end” guitars; top end I guess refers to “vintage high end” guitars like bursts and named/celeb owned vintage guitars. Someone who collects within that echelon (like quite comfortably owns a million dollars ++ worth of guitars.)

i think there there would be a different vibe about how we would feel if the current owner is a non collector non musician who just happens to have it and knows what it is and how much it is potentially worth, a simple scumbag basically, vs someone who is a legit collector who should know better and may or may not be even more of a scumbag due to that fact.
 

chasenblues

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Didn't Joe B state in 2016 that he knew where it was but obviously couldn't say?

No.

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Jon Brook

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An interesting side note to all this:
Clapton was was paid a flat fee of £35 a week in 1966 for playing with the Bluesbreakers .. in todays money that is over £450 ...
in a previous "Beano" thread someone said that E.C probably couldnt afford to insure the Beano LP at the time.
Well .. on that kinda money i am sure he could ..he didnt own Hurtwood yet .he was dossing at Mayall's place ..and i also read that he was a millionaire by the age of 20 .. if that was the case then that was 1965 ...
 

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This speculation will likely go on forever, unless someone comes up with an iron clad way to positively identify it. :ganz
 

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What is a "top end collector"? :hmm

maybe Pearly Gates and GaryMoore bursts:dude:
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An interesting side note to all this:
Clapton was was paid a flat fee of £35 a week in 1966 for playing with the Bluesbreakers .. in todays money that is over £450 ...
in a previous "Beano" thread someone said that E.C probably couldnt afford to insure the Beano LP at the time.
Well .. on that kinda money i am sure he could ..he didnt own Hurtwood yet .he was dossing at Mayall's place ..and i also read that he was a millionaire by the age of 20 .. if that was the case then that was 1965 ...

Back then this was just a used guitar. To my knowledge, people, especially recording artists, weren't obsessed with gear photos and documentation back then.
 

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Back then this was just a used guitar. To my knowledge, people, especially recording artists, weren't obsessed with gear photos and documentation back then.
It was a, if you will, a "tool" in the basic sense. It provided a needed sound/tone that we wanted. Eric bought a Les Paul because Freddy King had one and I'm sure Freddy bought it because he like the sound and the playability. Freddy was a very tall guy, I know as I met him and he was very nice to this small kid..(I was 18)... He was playing his ES-345 and he had to sling it over his right shoulder because the strap was at the end of it's length adjustment and would not fit over his neck and left shoulder. It basically looked like a toy on him with his size.
but in the Sixties nobody really had the obsession over who was playing what guitars like has developed since. There was obviously some, but not to the degree it's been taken to in the last 25-30 years.
I'd bet money that when Eric saw that Les Paul at Lew Davis's shop in 1965 that he was thinking that if he had that guitar he could get the sounds that Freddy got and not the thinner ones that the Tele had(although that Tele sounded pretty good!).
 

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The way Andy Summers tells it in his book is that he saw two Les Pauls in the shop and bought one. Eric saw him playing it with Zoot Moneys band and asked where he'd got it, and hence went and bought the other one of the two.

When Eric's was stolen he asked Andy to sell him his, which he did.
 

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In a tortured path of thread relevance, I was in Las Vegas last week and saw that John Mayall is playing at a Station Casino there (Henderson) in March. I had to look it up - he is 85 years old! Perhaps more enduring than the Beano mystery itself. :salude
 

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It was a, if you will, a "tool" in the basic sense. It provided a needed sound/tone that we wanted. Eric bought a Les Paul because Freddy King had one and I'm sure Freddy bought it because he like the sound and the playability. Freddy was a very tall guy, I know as I met him and he was very nice to this small kid..(I was 18)... He was playing his ES-345 and he had to sling it over his right shoulder because the strap was at the end of it's length adjustment and would not fit over his neck and left shoulder. It basically looked like a toy on him with his size.
but in the Sixties nobody really had the obsession over who was playing what guitars like has developed since. There was obviously some, but not to the degree it's been taken to in the last 25-30 years.
I'd bet money that when Eric saw that Les Paul at Lew Davis's shop in 1965 that he was thinking that if he had that guitar he could get the sounds that Freddy got and not the thinner ones that the Tele had(although that Tele sounded pretty good!).

George Gruhn seems to have a different opinion on this...

 

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In a tortured path of thread relevance, I was in Las Vegas last week and saw that John Mayall is playing at a Station Casino there (Henderson) in March. I had to look it up - he is 85 years old! Perhaps more enduring than the Beano mystery itself. :salude

Or perhaps he took Beano long ago, as punishment for Clapton walking out on him. :ganz
 

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An interesting side note to all this:
Clapton was was paid a flat fee of £35 a week in 1966 for playing with the Bluesbreakers .. in todays money that is over £450 ...
in a previous "Beano" thread someone said that E.C probably couldnt afford to insure the Beano LP at the time.
Well .. on that kinda money i am sure he could ..he didnt own Hurtwood yet .he was dossing at Mayall's place ..and i also read that he was a millionaire by the age of 20 .. if that was the case then that was 1965 ...

That is interesting, if he rally was paid 35 pounds a week. A pound was about $2.40 in those days, so that was $85 a week. That was your basic workingman's salary in those still-lean days. (You'd need twice that to be "comfortable.") And it should be remembered that British taxes were pretty high in that era. So 35 quid was pretty basic. He certainly wouldn't get to millionaire status that way. How would he become a millionaire by 1965, anyway? A few sides for the Yardbirds? I don't imagine he saw any serious money until the Cream album sales took off.

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Jon Brook

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i will have to search to re-find that millionaire quote.
as for average wage ... in 1966 the average wage for a man was £20- £27 per week in the UK.
Eric was on £35 - so that is above the average ..
the £8 difference between £27 -£35 - is equivelent to £140.00 in todays money ..that is considerably above average.
 
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EC had already quit Mayall's band by the time the Bluesbreaker album was released. Fresh Cream wasn't an initial success, Disraeli Gears hit the top 5 but not until late in '67, only then came headline touring. But he did buy Hurtwood Edge estate in 1967 for £30,000.
 
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