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    365k for that top in that condition? Seriously?

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    365k for that top in that condition? Seriously?
    Changing market?
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    Changing market?
    Hey, I'm all for the prices going up. That price just surprises me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JJ Blair View Post
    Hey, I'm all for the prices going up. That price just surprises me.
    Me too, but I am hearing of Bursts selling, so maybe that's getting to be the right price for such a Burst.
    Hard to know for sure.
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    Guess it doesn't hurt to have an optimistic asking price, you can negotiate downward, but not upward...

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    Plain-ish top, but I find this one to have a lot of character. Thanks for the link!

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    Prices are not going down anytime soon .I think it's nice .

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    It has a strong provenance being in the BOB book and it was owned by JB , used on stage & recordings , so the price is what it is ,IMO ,OMMV.

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    Here's the thing: Unless the guitar was played on some iconic song or record, like the Hotel California Burst that my now deceased buddy bought for $325,000 at the time, or unless it is itself an iconic Burst, like the Bloomfield Burst or Greenie, I have not noticed that much of a premium, just because a rock star owned it. I didn't see it on Howard Leese's Burst, or the Sambora Burst. Maybe I missed something, but my impression is that when you get into the $200,000+ range for guitars, before you even consider who owned it, nobody has really cared who owned it. At least not enough that it's gonna add another 50% on top of what the market value should probably be.

    If some of you guys have examples that prove me wrong, I'm all ears. But I'm a little skeptical.

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    Not affiliated, but similar advertised price noted. I've looked at this top a lot recently...

    https://reverb.com/item/5315967-1959...standard-burst
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    Quote Originally Posted by sunburst1 View Post
    It has a strong provenance being in the BOB book and it was owned by JB , used on stage & recordings , so the price is what it is ,IMO ,OMMV.
    Yeah, but if JB is selling, for me its moore like "oh, maybe its not the best of bursts..."

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    Quote Originally Posted by lare65 View Post
    Yeah, but if JB is selling, for me its moore like "oh, maybe its not the best of bursts..."
    Interesting.

    I see it as "life catches up with avid guitar collector". Maybe it was a pretty good fiddle if he bought it in the first place.........
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    Anyone know Joe's reason for selling it seeing it wasn't purchased all that long ago ..?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jon Brook View Post
    Anyone know Joe's reason for selling it seeing it wasn't purchased all that long ago ..?

    Joe has his favorite bursts (Skinner and Snakebite) that he plays the most. He's just like the rest of us. He's continually buying and selling shit to feed the disease.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JJ Blair View Post
    Here's the thing: Unless the guitar was played on some iconic song or record, like the Hotel California Burst that my now deceased buddy bought for $325,000 at the time, or unless it is itself an iconic Burst, like the Bloomfield Burst or Greenie, I have not noticed that much of a premium, just because a rock star owned it. I didn't see it on Howard Leese's Burst, or the Sambora Burst. Maybe I missed something, but my impression is that when you get into the $200,000+ range for guitars, before you even consider who owned it, nobody has really cared who owned it. At least not enough that it's gonna add another 50% on top of what the market value should probably be.

    If some of you guys have examples that prove me wrong, I'm all ears. But I'm a little skeptical.
    The Sambora Burst was bought because of the Sambora connection.
    [not by me, I just checked it out]

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    Quote Originally Posted by latestarter View Post
    Not affiliated, but similar advertised price noted. I've looked at this top a lot recently...

    https://reverb.com/item/5315967-1959...standard-burst
    There's my old Burst, Ralphie!
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    Quote Originally Posted by lare65 View Post
    Yeah, but if JB is selling, for me its moore like "oh, maybe its not the best of bursts..."
    You'll miss out on some stellar guitars with that line of thinking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CDaughtry View Post
    Joe has his favorite bursts (Skinner and Snakebite) that he plays the most. He's just like the rest of us. He's continually buying and selling shit to feed the disease.
    That's why I've had so many that are gone now.
    It's not like I needed everyone of them.
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    Good luck with your sale Joe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by F-Hole View Post
    Interesting.

    I see it as "life catches up with avid guitar collector". Maybe it was a pretty good fiddle if he bought it in the first place.........
    But perhaps not good enough to keep. Joe has a small stable and chose to let that one go. Yes, I can't imagine him buying anything other than a good example, but I see this as a cull. He chose to sell it, and I don't believe it was an eenie meenie minee moe kinda deal.

    Doesn't seem reason enough for such a hefty upcharge. The Rumble Seat Burst would be the better value it seems to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ourmaninthenorth View Post
    Good luck with your sale Joe.
    I thought he had sold it and the buyer is flipping it.
    The older I get, the better I was.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Al View Post
    Joe has a small stable.......
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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Al View Post
    I thought he had sold it and the buyer is flipping it.
    No idea mate, I simply presumed it was on consignment to ECG.
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    Quote Originally Posted by F-Hole View Post
    Earth calling Al.........
    I was going to say herd, but either way small seems like an understatement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Al View Post
    I thought he had sold it and the buyer is flipping it.
    Correct. He sold it to buy a different guitar, IIRC. I know what they got it for, so I think the markup is a little excessive.

    I believe he upgraded to a more desirable Burst, too. I only ever heard him mention two of his Bursts that he wasn't digging, and this was not one of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JJ Blair View Post
    Correct. He sold it to buy a different guitar, IIRC. I know what they got it for, so I think the markup is a little excessive.

    I believe he upgraded to a more desirable Burst, too. I only ever heard him mention two of his Bursts that he wasn't digging, and this was not one of them.
    Ahhh - so it was sold after he bought it in July last year. And this is someone else selling it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JJ Blair View Post
    Correct. He sold it to buy a different guitar, IIRC. I know what they got it for, so I think the markup is a little excessive.

    I believe he upgraded to a more desirable Burst, too. I only ever heard him mention two of his Bursts that he wasn't digging, and this was not one of them.
    Got it. Thanks JJ.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Wittrock View Post
    The Sambora Burst was bought because of the Sambora connection.
    [not by me, I just checked it out]

    beautiful! And the guitar's not too shabby either
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    That (9 0902) in the paws of John Squire is the reason I bought a Les Paul.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Wittrock View Post
    The Sambora Burst was bought because of the Sambora connection.
    [not by me, I just checked it out]
    Right, but did the guy overpay for it because of the connection is my question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JJ Blair View Post
    Right, but did the guy overpay for it because of the connection is my question.
    I don't generally ask people [especially those whom I've just met] what they paid for a Burst.
    I can tell you he seemed very happy about it, and it was a nice fit in his extensive collection. I feel that, in general, if the buyer is happy with the purchase, he probably did not overpay.
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    A 'burst sold yesterday, and I'm pretty sure that of the seven or so viewed before purchase that it would have been the last one most of us would have picked.

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    Very true F Hole. In the coming weeks I will put together a comprehensive explanation of the thought process and rational behind acquiring 0 0284. If I am not mistaken this is the first time in a very long while that is has been back stateside.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mt1986 View Post
    Very true F Hole. In the coming weeks I will put together a comprehensive explanation of the thought process and rational behind acquiring 0 0284. If I am not mistaken this is the first time in a very long while that is has been back stateside.

    Mark
    Mark,
    I think everyone has a fundamental thought process behind what drives us to make a Burst purchase in the first place. It’s definetly not a whim, a whim is buying something on impulse or just not able to explain the reason. I for one am very intrigued by this particular Burst you have purchased and am looking forward to the pictures.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mt1986 View Post
    Very true F Hole. In the coming weeks I will put together a comprehensive explanation of the thought process and rational behind acquiring 0 0284. If I am not mistaken this is the first time in a very long while that is has been back stateside.

    Mark
    I don't think you're mistaken, and it's a cool guitar. FWIW, I think it's refreshing to see diversity in what makes people shoot for a particular guitar. I hope you enjoy it to the full in good health.
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    I guess I still don’t understand the seeming lack of either skill or aesthetic vision with regard to photographing what is essentially a rare vintage instrument with its own unique appearance .

    One of the most compelling draws to a vintage Burst outside of tone and pedigree is visual: the flame top, the patina, the wear, how the flame changes in the light. To me that is what draws you in. Thst gets your imagination going on how great it must sound, how nice and broken in it must feel, how cool it would look hanging from your shoulders. I almost bought a Historic from Japan because the photographer whomever he or she was captured the essence of that guitar. The reflection of the light highlighting the top carve, the way the flame shifted depending on the light, the almost wet appearance of the aged patina.

    Here you have a beautiful piece of Burst history and the pictures do little to distinguish it from any run of the mill lemon drop relic. Maybe the thought here is that image quality is of little concern to people who buy bursts. I still think what attracts any buyer initially to an item like this are visual. And isn’t a vintage Burst worth the effort. Which is why I’m surprised that many of these one-of-a-kind Bursts for sale or so poorly photographed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JPP-1 View Post
    I guess I still don’t understand the seeming lack of either skill or aesthetic vision with regard to photographing what is essentially a rare vintage instrument with its own unique appearance .

    One of the most compelling draws to a vintage Burst outside of tone and pedigree is visual: the flame top, the patina, the wear, how the flame changes in the light. To me that is what draws you in. Thst gets your imagination going on how great it must sound, how nice and broken in it must feel, how cool it would look hanging from your shoulders. I almost bought a Historic from Japan because the photographer whomever he or she was captured the essence of that guitar. The reflection of the light highlighting the top carve, the way the flame shifted depending on the light, the almost wet appearance of the aged patina.

    Here you have a beautiful piece of Burst history and the pictures do little to distinguish it from any run of the mill lemon drop relic. Maybe the thought here is that image quality is of little concern to people who buy bursts. I still think what attracts any buyer initially to an item like this are visual. And isn’t a vintage Burst worth the effort. Which is why I’m surprised that many of these one-of-a-kind Bursts for sale or so poorly photographed.
    Dealers all seem to have their personal photographic style. (Or more specifically, a consistent photographer who takes photos how they like.) For some, I question their thought process (overexposed, no side lighting, no shadows, etc.) But since that style masks alot of the dents and dings, it must work for them. All that stuff is visible in person. It's not like EC hasn't sold a few bursts in recent years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sws1 View Post
    Dealers all seem to have their personal photographic style. (Or more specifically, a consistent photographer who takes photos how they like.) For some, I question their thought process (overexposed, no side lighting, no shadows, etc.) But since that style masks alot of the dents and dings, it must work for them. All that stuff is visible in person. It's not like EC hasn't sold a few bursts in recent years.
    Yes, apparently they do. And Well, hey, if it works for them why change so I see your point.

    I guess to me, the rarity and visual uniqueness of each vintage Burst makes them worthy of a hi res photo shoot. Not only would this provide some great visual documentation but also make the guitar more enticing and imho help with the sale. I'm just always reminded of that line from Silence of the Lambs, "you covet what you see everyday". Every Les Paul I've bought with the exception of those i bought locally started with me looking at pictures, lusting over a top, then finally pulling the trigger. There was one CC recently on Mark's guitar Loft that almost had me. Some very good photography on that site. Again, I just don't see the downside, a hi res camera and some basic lighting equipment should be core tools to anyone who has a business selling guitars online. And there are plenty examples of great Les Paul photos online for those lacking any type of aesthetic vision. Just look at CD's beautiful hi-res photos.

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