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    Les Paul Forum Member Monroe's Avatar
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    Re: Your ideal weight LP?

    My 76 Custom is 9lbs 10oz... light for a Norlin Custom.
    My R9 is 9lbs 1oz.
    My 336 is 6lbs 8oz, and yes it feels lighter when you first pick it up.
    But on the strap, I'd be pressed to feel the difference, even after 4-5 sets.

    As for weight preference in LPs, I tend to prefer them around 9lbs
    On paper, a real light one seems like it would be fantastic, but I find the lightest ones can lack focus.
    My friend has a 2010 R8 that tips the scales at 8lbs 3oz, and it plays nice but is a bit too squishy for me.
    I realize a lot of it depends on your playing style as well as your rig.
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    Re: Your ideal weight LP?

    Im in minority here, but i prefer more focused, "faster in your face" tone, especially on 68-74/75 Customs, so generally in 9.5 - 10.5 lbs ballpark.
    My diagnosis is: Hiwatt and Norlinphilia


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    Re: Your ideal weight LP?

    first post here guys -

    I have tried many historic over the years and have defiantly noticed that the real light ones were more mid rangy sounding.

    I found that the best ones were more like 9 lb

    I would not recommend buying a light one unless you have issues with weight hurting your back - unless you luck out and find a great light one.

    I feel like it is way more important to find one which has distinct treble - mids - low end tones and vibrates like a tuning fork

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    Re: Your ideal weight LP?

    It's not more mids as much as reduced bass and treble. Some really like that diffused nasal tone. Me? not so much.
    The older I get, the better I was.

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    Wow! My guitars are "nasally" and "lacking treble and bass"? They NEED to be 9 pounds and above to have heavenly tones?

    Horseshit I say!

    Here you go:

    REN SAYS THE HEAVY ONES ALL SOUND LIKE A
    ROCK STUCK IN THE MUD! AND THE MUD HAS HAD LITTLE FOREST ANIMALS POOPING IN IT! AND BIGGER ONES WALKING THROUGH IT GETTING POOPY FEET! AND SNAILS AND BACTERIA AND GROSSNESS LIVES THERE! Nasally! REALLY? Here's us some folks is never played one...


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    Re: Your ideal weight LP?

    so you have found no difference between the 8 pound historic and the 9 pound historics ?

    the guitar is of a set size but the wood is now heavier by a good %

    logic would dictate that at some point as you go up in wood density you will get a difference in tone .

    heck I have read folks here claim that the difference in fingerboard rosewood type makes a difference - then how can having 12% heavier mahogany body and neck - NOT MAKE A DIFFERNCE ?

    let add this - not only did I notice a difference but I have asked about this subject with folks who have sold the les paul historics for years and they indicated that around 9 lbs was the sweet spot for tone.

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    I've played boatloads of Historics. I have not noticed a clear sonic benchmark at 9lbs. I played many that had the same lack of bass and treble and mid focus described. Too be clear, I haven't had the access to large samples of super lightweight Les Pauls and of those I tried, none had the tone I look for. They did not all sound the same and none were what I'd call bad.

    It is odds. I look for a specific tone, compare side by side and pick the one I like best. The vast majority were over 8lbs 7oz and under 9lbs 4oz. A few under and over. I just found it interesting how close in weight the four I chose are. Mine are not typical and I passed on so many. If I could have had as many lightweight ones to chose from I might have four featherweights, but maybe not my first one, that one is perfect.

    Ren, my nasal characterisation was in responce to the pronounced mid tone, not a sonic signature of lighter guitars.
    The older I get, the better I was.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tripletime View Post
    so you have found no difference between the 8 pound historic and the 9 pound historics ?

    the guitar is of a set size but the wood is now heavier by a good %

    logic would dictate that at some point as you go up in wood density you will get a difference in tone .

    heck I have read folks here claim that the difference in fingerboard rosewood type makes a difference - then how can having 12% heavier mahogany body and neck - NOT MAKE A DIFFERNCE ?

    let add this - not only did I notice a difference but I have asked about this subject with folks who have sold the les paul historics for years and they indicated that around 9 lbs was the sweet spot for tone.
    Didn't say that. You need to read. The biggest difference is the energy required to lift the buggers. Tone wise I can find everything in sub 8.5 you can find above it. (I just threw that unprovable point in there to futz with ya!) You might get more sustain though. Next time you present an unprovable point use that. Your next 2 statements were laughable...

    % is around maybe 10 in the argument. With an organic that is damnably small...

    Logic would not dictate chit as every piece of wood is different by a wide margin. As can be the electronics. Don't try that "outscience you with the internet" crap.

    You just proved you can leap to a conclusion based on something totally irrelevant to the argument. Because something else may be true does not make this more true.

    I am sure 99.9 dentists agree with you as well. Hell, it's the internet. Let's just say you asked EVERY one who has ever sold or looked at a historic!

    Welcome by the way! Don't take this as a slam. Laugh and roll with it.

    And Al? Water The Ficus! AAAAaaaaaaaaannnnnddddd, they BREATH TOO!

    P.S. I think the weight of the player may have more to do with the tone than the weight of the guitar!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Al View Post
    I've played boatloads of Historics. I have not noticed a clear sonic benchmark at 9lbs. I played many that had the same lack of bass and treble and mid focus described. Too be clear, I haven't had the access to large samples of super lightweight Les Pauls and of those I tried, none had the tone I look for. They did not all sound the same and none were what I'd call bad.

    It is odds. I look for a specific tone, compare side by side and pick the one I like best. The vast majority were over 8lbs 7oz and under 9lbs 4oz. A few under and over. I just found it interesting how close in weight the four I chose are. Mine are not typical and I passed on so many. If I could have had as many lightweight ones to chose from I might have four featherweights, but maybe not my first one, that one is perfect.

    Ren, my nasal characterisation was in responce to the pronounced mid tone, not a sonic signature of lighter guitars.

    so based on the range you have stated is your preference - the average weight of the ones you liked is around 9 lbs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tripletime View Post
    so based on the range you have stated is your preference - the average weight of the ones you liked is around 9 lbs.
    Yes the ones I bought that I felt had the feel and tone I liked best are in the upper 8lb range near to 9lbs. One is exactly 9lbs. I don't think weight alone is THE factor of tone as I rejected dozens in the same range. It does seem that that weight range indicates where I'm most likely to find MY preference for tone. What I like best is not everyones preference.

    There are, in general, some noticable sonic signatures associated with weight in solidbodies though. It is evident and is also known in Fenders. Super light guitars IN GENERAL present a different tonal responce from average weight examples which sound different from heavyweights. IN GENERAL. There are freaks and outliers, but as a group they share an accent, if you will.

    The degree or strength of that accent varies, but it's there in general. What you prefer, how you play, distortion levels and style of music shape preference. Almost all the mid upper 8lb too 9lb ones had that voice. I chose the ones that did it best, IMO.
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    I will give ya that my Custom IS FOCUSED! Like a laser-------------------->Peew Peew Peew! And it's right at 9 lbs (slightly over with the factory plate on it). Course, it has a staple and a P90. Second hardest is my R9. It's at 8 and 3/4+. So by them I agree with Al. However I have a couple sub 8.5's which fall in to this as well. For the record (as I am always joking around) MY sample size is way too small to generalize and that is my objection. If you could get somebody at the end of the assembly line at Gibson to comment I might buy it. And if each person at Wildwood actually played all the LP's they get I might tend to say you have a sample size that is big enough for a generalization. But with an organic I have a very hard time buying off on definitives and I think they focus buyers/new fans/old fans in the wrong direction. Is there anything more important than the sound? Yes! If it plays like crap you ain't gonna play it. If you can't lift it you ain't gonna play it. If it's ugly? Maybe. Sounds like crap? You ain't gonna play it. Got 4 or 5 that sound exactly the same? I doubt it.

    P.S. You were right asking Al. Many others are backing him up. THEY know TONS more than I do so I would trust their opinions.
    I would suggest reading my crap and looking for a joke, cause that's what I do and I ain't got a lick of talent! And my ears suck. And I am NOT being modest. Don't say I didn't warn you girl!


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    Quote Originally Posted by renderit View Post
    Didn't say that. You need to read. The biggest difference is the energy required to lift the buggers. Tone wise I can find everything in sub 8.5 you can find above it. (I just threw that unprovable point in there to futz with ya!) You might get more sustain though. Next time you present an unprovable point use that. Your next 2 statements were laughable...

    % is around maybe 10 in the argument. With an organic that is damnably small...

    Logic would not dictate chit as every piece of wood is different by a wide margin. As can be the electronics. Don't try that "outscience you with the internet" crap.

    You just proved you can leap to a conclusion based on something totally irrelevant to the argument. Because something else may be true does not make this more true.

    I am sure 99.9 dentists agree with you as well. Hell, it's the internet. Let's just say you asked EVERY one who has ever sold or looked at a historic!

    Welcome by the way! Don't take this as a slam. Laugh and roll with it.

    And Al? Water The Ficus! AAAAaaaaaaaaannnnnddddd, they BREATH TOO!

    P.S. I think the weight of the player may have more to do with the tone than the weight of the guitar!
    Ren , I love reading your posts along with Big Al .The 2 of you always provide me with so much knowledge and information and I am so much more educated because of that and I am truly grateful .

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    Quote Originally Posted by El Gringo View Post
    Ren , I love reading your posts along with Big Al .The 2 of you always provide me with so much knowledge and information and I am so much more educated because of that and I am truly grateful .
    OMG! If you are learning ANYTHING from me it had better be "how to use spelling, color, diction and an oldpotato to get a laugh". For GOD'S SAKE MAN! I am not a tad worthy of any admiration for usable knowledge, skills or ANYTHING! Jeez! FORGET ANYTHING I TOLD YOU OR YOU WILL BE CONSIDERED AN IMBECILE! Water The Ficus!


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    Quote Originally Posted by renderit View Post
    OMG! If you are learning ANYTHING from me it had better be "how to use spelling, color, diction and an oldpotato to get a laugh". For GOD'S SAKE MAN! I am not a tad worthy of any admiration for usable knowledge, skills or ANYTHING! Jeez! FORGET ANYTHING I TOLD YOU OR YOU WILL BE CONSIDERED AN IMBECILE! Water The Ficus!
    Ren , you are so humble .What about if I say you are sneaky smart ?

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    Re: Your ideal weight LP?

    I prefer them around 9lbs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by El Gringo View Post
    Ren , you are so humble .What about if I say you are sneaky smart ?
    Snarky Stupid is much closer to the mark. I definitely am NOT smart, nor skilled, nor a good player even. Don't make me what you wish me to be. And I am NOT HUMBLE! I AM THE SINGLE BEST LOOKING AND SMELLING ŦɌƟȽȽ GNOME IN DA GARDEN!


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    Quote Originally Posted by renderit View Post
    Snarky Stupid is much closer to the mark. I definitely am NOT smart, nor skilled, nor a good player even. Don't make me what you wish me to be. And I am NOT HUMBLE! I AM THE SINGLE BEST LOOKING AND SMELLING ŦɌƟȽȽ GNOME IN DA GARDEN!
    I think thou protesteth to much .

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    Re: Your ideal weight LP?

    I'm one who finds a difference that is most often found on lighter Les Pauls. For ME, lighter Les Pauls are more likely to get into that "woody" tone realm. Some can even act in the neighborhood of a 335. Much more "lively" and reactive to amp volume. The heavier, more focused models don't wok as well for me without pedals or louder pickups.

    Yes I've owned many different ones. Favorite of the heavier style was a '74 Deluxe routed for 'buckers. Least favorite was a '76 custom. That one had other construction differences that I'm sure added to the suckiness.

    My ideal weight is light as possible! I have a friend with a real '59 Burst that weighs 7.5 lbs!

    Actually I've found all of my favorites (including the '56 conversion that I sold) were right in the 8.8 lbs range. Coincidentally, that's average weight from BOTB.

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    I thought I knew what I thought when this thread started but Renderit has me so confused I'm not sure of anything anymore!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Redfish View Post
    I thought I knew what I thought when this thread started but Renderit has me so confused I'm not sure of anything anymore!
    Excellent! Why should you be different?


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    Quote Originally Posted by El Gringo View Post
    Ren , you are so humble .What about if I say you are sneaky smart ?


    You need to understand Ren's not so subliminal history lesson in computing.


    First we had this:




    Then we had this:





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    Quote Originally Posted by renderit View Post
    Didn't say that. You need to read. The biggest difference is the energy required to lift the buggers. Tone wise I can find everything in sub 8.5 you can find above it. (I just threw that unprovable point in there to futz with ya!) You might get more sustain though. Next time you present an unprovable point use that. Your next 2 statements were laughable...

    % is around maybe 10 in the argument. With an organic that is damnably small...

    Logic would not dictate chit as every piece of wood is different by a wide margin. As can be the electronics. Don't try that "outscience you with the internet" crap.

    You just proved you can leap to a conclusion based on something totally irrelevant to the argument. Because something else may be true does not make this more true.

    I am sure 99.9 dentists agree with you as well. Hell, it's the internet. Let's just say you asked EVERY one who has ever sold or looked at a historic!

    Welcome by the way! Don't take this as a slam. Laugh and roll with it.

    And Al? Water The Ficus! AAAAaaaaaaaaannnnnddddd, they BREATH TOO!

    P.S. I think the weight of the player may have more to do with the tone than the weight of the guitar!

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    Quote Originally Posted by renderit View Post
    I will give ya that my Custom IS FOCUSED! Like a laser-------------------->Peew Peew Peew! And it's right at 9 lbs (slightly over with the factory plate on it). Course, it has a staple and a P90. Second hardest is my R9. It's at 8 and 3/4+. So by them I agree with Al. However I have a couple sub 8.5's which fall in to this as well. For the record (as I am always joking around) MY sample size is way too small to generalize and that is my objection. If you could get somebody at the end of the assembly line at Gibson to comment I might buy it. And if each person at Wildwood actually played all the LP's they get I might tend to say you have a sample size that is big enough for a generalization. But with an organic I have a very hard time buying off on definitives and I think they focus buyers/new fans/old fans in the wrong direction. Is there anything more important than the sound? Yes! If it plays like crap you ain't gonna play it. If you can't lift it you ain't gonna play it. If it's ugly? Maybe. Sounds like crap? You ain't gonna play it. Got 4 or 5 that sound exactly the same? I doubt it.

    P.S. You were right asking Al. Many others are backing him up. THEY know TONS more than I do so I would trust their opinions.
    I would suggest reading my crap and looking for a joke, cause that's what I do and I ain't got a lick of talent! And my ears suck. And I am NOT being modest. Don't say I didn't warn you girl!

    could you tell me a little more about the staple pups - are they like a P90 - what are they like tone wise ?

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    Re: Your ideal weight LP?

    I like light guitars, but Les Pauls sound and feel best to me in the 8.75-9.25 lbs. range. Girth, sustain, body and clarity seem to live in that range.

    So, 9 lbs.

    P.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wilko View Post
    I'm one who finds a difference that is most often found on lighter Les Pauls. For ME, lighter Les Pauls are more likely to get into that "woody" tone realm. Some can even act in the neighborhood of a 335. Much more "lively" and reactive to amp volume. The heavier, more focused models don't wok as well for me without pedals or louder pickups.

    Yes I've owned many different ones. Favorite of the heavier style was a '74 Deluxe routed for 'buckers. Least favorite was a '76 custom. That one had other construction differences that I'm sure added to the suckiness.

    My ideal weight is light as possible! I have a friend with a real '59 Burst that weighs 7.5 lbs!

    Actually I've found all of my favorites (including the '56 conversion that I sold) were right in the 8.8 lbs range. Coincidentally, that's average weight from BOTB.
    That is EXACTLY what I have found but my (admittedly damaged) ears find that point somewhat lower. I find the heavier ones PERFECT for hard driving ROCK. I prefer the "woodier" side for most of what I do and then to use pedals/amp choice to get them to the ROCK stage. If I were better (more talented) maybe that would move up, but I find the heavier ones harder to control. But I DO have a couple of sub 8.5 rockers. AND I WILL STATE I DO NOT HAVE ENOUGH SAMPLES TO DRAW STABLE/MEANINGFUL CONCLUSIONS FROM (as MOST peeps here have admitted (which is good(and the reason you should NOT draw hard and fast conclusions from this thread))). That last is for deytookerjaabs and his most EXCELLENT post! Threw in a little nested logic for ya!

    Quote Originally Posted by tripletime View Post
    could you tell me a little more about the staple pups - are they like a P90 - what are they like tone wise ?
    I AM no expert on them, but MY opinion is: P90-ish on how you can drive them, but tones from heaven. VERY PIANO LIKE. High fidelity? Awesome sounding monsters for sure! Particularly the lower notes have a very piano-like ring to them. Very very rich. The upper notes have a very full clarity and chime. Surprisingly (to me) different and I find it shocking you don't see them more. I want to stick a PAIR in one of my beasts.

    I have another interesting pair from B&G which are a stacked P90 so it is actually a humbucker in the p90 size/shape. They call it a kick-bucker.



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    I have really enjoyed this thread , I have also scalded some of my guitars after reading this interesting thread . My favorite LP weights 8.3 2014 R4 the sound and string vibration ,string tension is outstanding how much of this has to do with weight ? Last thing I concern myself with is weight when grabbing a guitar off the wall at a guitar shop . Is this weight more of a on-line buying tool ? Other than weight paint & grain ,color of rosewood do you use to select a online guitar . Sound clips from Gregg Koch are fun and he's a great player the guitar he's playing won't sound anything like he's getting in my hands ! My 98 historic Firebird weights 9.8 tone wise it's a 10 to my ears, really a bit heavy than my other two Birds . So after two pages of posting what is the ideal weight or is the weight relative when selecting a guitar on-line ?
    Ive never confused owning a bunch of high end gear with being some kind of a guitar player I'm a hack and I love guitars !

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    Quote Originally Posted by AA00475Bassman View Post
    I have really enjoyed this thread , I have also scalded some of my guitars after reading this interesting thread . My favorite LP weights 8.3 2014 R4 the sound and string vibration ,string tension is outstanding how much of this has to do with weight ? Last thing I concern myself with is weight when grabbing a guitar off the wall at a guitar shop . Is this weight more of a on-line buying tool ? Other than weight paint & grain ,color of rosewood do you use to select a online guitar . Sound clips from Gregg Koch are fun and he's a great player the guitar he's playing won't sound anything like he's getting in my hands ! My 98 historic Firebird weights 9.8 tone wise it's a 10 to my ears, really a bit heavy than my other two Birds . So after two pages of posting what is the ideal weight or is the weight relative when selecting a guitar on-line ?
    Does scalding them make them lighter? Sounds kinda drastic. All my relatives weigh less than me. But many sound better. Whats that got to do with it? To me weight is an interesting diversion. I may pick one because it is lighter if buying online provided I like the visuals and if sound files are available liking them. I usually get a sound description from the salesman. I frequently I ask them to pick one. And THAT ain't based on weight...


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    Quote Originally Posted by renderit View Post
    Does scalding them make them lighter? Sounds kinda drastic. All my relatives weigh less than me. But many sound better. Whats that got to do with it? To me weight is an interesting diversion. I may pick one because it is lighter if buying online provided I like the visuals and if sound files are available liking them. I usually get a sound description from the salesman. I frequently I ask them to pick one. And THAT ain't based on weight...
    Noted Ren the spelling noted, you still don't have a answer for ideal weight , weight is not a constant for tone or sound volumes or how a guitar plays . Weight is not a indication of anything other than weight .
    Ive never confused owning a bunch of high end gear with being some kind of a guitar player I'm a hack and I love guitars !

    He thinks the mirror is a photo of a clown ?

    The Myth: Neat wiring layouts always equate to great-sounding amps.

    The Myth: If I would have lived with MOM & mooched till I was 48 I would play like Clapton !
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    There's certainly general sound characteristics common to very lightweight ones and general sound characteristics common to very heavyweight ones. Since everyone hears a little bit differently, and since the amplifier affects the final sound, we'll all never agree on the "best" sound.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AA00475Bassman View Post
    Noted Ren the spelling noted, you still don't have a answer for ideal weight , weight is not a constant for tone or sound volumes or how a guitar plays . Weight is not a indication of anything other than weight .
    It may be. What Big Al and others noted on the upper side and Wilko and others have noted on the lower side does bear interest. It may be right. Which sound is better to YOUR ears is the question if there is truth there.

    I will not further confuse anybody here.


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    Quote Originally Posted by renderit View Post
    It may be. What Big Al and others noted on the upper side and Wilko and others have noted on the lower side does bear interest. It may be right. Which sound is better to YOUR ears is the question if there is truth there.

    I will not further confuse anybody here.


    I must note that I am a member in standing (I hope to earn a seat one day) in the Deluminati™©ℑ℞®

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    I also have battled severe dyslexia DONT BE A DICK !
    Ive never confused owning a bunch of high end gear with being some kind of a guitar player I'm a hack and I love guitars !

    He thinks the mirror is a photo of a clown ?

    The Myth: Neat wiring layouts always equate to great-sounding amps.

    The Myth: If I would have lived with MOM & mooched till I was 48 I would play like Clapton !
    Think about it
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    Re: Your ideal weight LP?

    For guitars which are all exactly the same size, what is weight? It's a measure of the density of the wood. Density is what contributes to resonance, more or less string vibration, etc.

    Given that the density is very unlikely to be uniform across an entire guitar, particularly when you look at grain, flame, etc.

    So having said that, the location of the more or less dense wood is even more important than total average density (which is what drives weight).

    If the dense part is under the center line of the guitar, but less dense around the fringe, you would get a different tone than is the dense part was near the switch or the knobs.

    What am I suggesting? That weight, while perhaps related to tone, is not causal. There may be trends, but more weight doesn't guarantee anything. Nor does lack of weight. My best sounding guitar, by far, is 8lbs. Why? 50s wood. There's more to the story than just weight. And far too many variables to pin tone on any one thing. IMO

    I also agree with someone above (Al, maybe) that there is not enough real lightweight ones to know for certain.

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    Allow me to weigh in here.

    My perspective has changed over the years on this one. I used to be a big proponent of the lighter the better but I played a couple of super light weight Les Pauls less than 8.2 lbs that sounded a little too diffuse and lacking punch. Almost as if the lack of density in the wood was absorbing some of the fundamental tone. It could’ve been just those guitars so I can’t say one way or the other definitively and again I only noticed this on very light Les Pauls.

    Personally I like a mid weight Les Paul 8.4 to 9 lbs. Les Paul’s in this range simply feel better to me and the tone I prefer can typically be found within this weight range. Frankly I’ve only really noticed what I would consider weight related differences at the extremes. Heavy Les Pauls >9.5 lbs versus <8.2lbs. The lighter ones sounded a little more diffuse and less ballsy where the heavy ones seemed to sustain more and have a more pronounced lows and highs but sounded more stiff

    It seems several of the famous bursts fall within this weight range too or close to it
    Peter Green’s Burst 8 lbs 15 oz.
    The Beast 9.2 lbs
    Paul Kossoff Burst 8.68 lbs
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    best one I have played is 8.6 LBS

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    8.8- 9 LBS

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    Re: Your ideal weight LP?

    this is what i have read and have heard.

    Pearly - 9lb
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    Re: Your ideal weight LP?

    Electric:
    '12 Standard 9 lb 4 oz
    '99 R4 Goldy 9 lb 2 oz
    Duesenberg Starplayer Mike Campbell 9 lb 2 oz
    (sold my American Strat at 9 lb 6 oz, which seemd "wrong" heavy)
    Ron Thorn SoCal super strat 8 lb 6 oz
    Ernie Ball Music Man Axis Sport 7 lb 2 oz

    Bass:
    Fender '75 P-Bass (converted to Jazz) 9 lb 8 oz

    Acoustic:
    Taylor 510 5 lb 6 oz
    Epiphone 1964 Texan RI 4 lb 4 oz

    My 'ideal" weight would be the Ron Thorn.

    Answer:
    Standing: 8 lb 5 oz
    Sitting Upright, no back rest, ANY lbs

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    Re: Your ideal weight LP?

    My 2018 R8 faded lemonburst weighs 8,3 Ibz, feels great! Dont think it feels heavy.

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    Re: Your ideal weight LP?

    the best LPs feel lighter than they are. When you pull them from the case, they just feel really light. It's something about the balance, etc. I have a buddy that has a real 1953 LP converted to a wraptail. Guitar just feels really light, but it's only a few ounces lighter than my 9lb LP Custom B7.

    I just picked up a 2019 R7 that weighs 8lbs 6 ounces. it also feels lighter than it is - compared to other guitars of the same weight.

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