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    question for Joe B

    Hi Joe,
    In your Facebook video (https://www.facebook.com/JoeBonamass...type=2&theater)
    On this Marshall shootout, at 3m47 you are plugged into the NORMAL channel of that old Marshall head into a 4X12 cab, you sound amazingly like on Mayall/Clapton Bluesbreaker album.

    Do you remember what was the controls setting ?

    Gaston

    p.s. I guess the Volume was all the way up to 10...
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    Re: question for Joe B

    Quote Originally Posted by GastonG View Post

    p.s. I guess the Volume was all the way up to 10...
    I think that one goes to 11

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    Re: question for Joe B

    Generally, with Old Marshall and Tweed Fender amps I have always found that the bass control is arguably the second most important dial from the actual volume. The higher the volume the lower the bass. That brings out the midrange. The midrange control on both Fender and Marshall if they have one, ( some tweeds don't ) acts as mid to high treble aka 2k aka harsh. Presence control is the super high 5k to 8 k depends on the amp and the actual Treble control is the amount of enemies you want to make among the audience, band and sound reinforcement personnel. On a JTM 45 I'd start at these settings. Again these are not legally binding.

    Pres 6 Bass 4 mid 6 Treble 6 High Treble Vol 6.5 and normal Vol 6.5. All amps are different but all have a point in volume pot when the swell begins. A 300 to 400 hrtz nudge in thickness ( you will hear it and feel it ) that comes alive when you open up the amp. It's the max headroom the amplifier has before the amp starts to and eventually collapses. Very rarely on amps that it happens past 8 or 9 max if they are healthy. It is also very speaker specific and guitar specific ( humbuckers, single coil, active passive and those that prefer the three coil mother-buckers from the 80s. ) I digress , it really boils down to keep turning dials til it sounds good or not. That's when you know the amp is for you. Also, remember the two channels are sympathetic. Just because you are not pluggged into it doesn't mean it's not doing something.

    Good luck and I hope this helps.

    Joe B


    PS on non midrange control Fender tweed. Low Power Twin, Pro, Super and Bandmaster. The bass needs to be at least parity with the Treble and Presence. The amps are anemic and thin with out the bass up past 12 o'clock in my experience.
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    Re: question for Joe B

    Valuable advice. Any advice for us single tone control/instrument vol/mic vol tweed owners for settings? many thanks Joe.

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    Re: question for Joe B

    Quote Originally Posted by JBLPplayer View Post
    Generally, with Old Marshall and Tweed Fender amps I have always found that the bass control is arguably the second most important dial from the actual volume. The higher the volume the lower the bass. That brings out the midrange. The midrange control on both Fender and Marshall if they have one, ( some tweeds don't ) acts as mid to high treble aka 2k aka harsh. Presence control is the super high 5k to 8 k depends on the amp and the actual Treble control is the amount of enemies you want to make among the audience, band and sound reinforcement personnel. On a JTM 45 I'd start at these settings. Again these are not legally binding.

    Pres 6 Bass 4 mid 6 Treble 6 High Treble Vol 6.5 and normal Vol 6.5. All amps are different but all have a point in volume pot when the swell begins. A 300 to 400 hrtz nudge in thickness ( you will hear it and feel it ) that comes alive when you open up the amp. It's the max headroom the amplifier has before the amp starts to and eventually collapses. Very rarely on amps that it happens past 8 or 9 max if they are healthy. It is also very speaker specific and guitar specific ( humbuckers, single coil, active passive and those that prefer the three coil mother-buckers from the 80s. ) I digress , it really boils down to keep turning dials til it sounds good or not. That's when you know the amp is for you. Also, remember the two channels are sympathetic. Just because you are not pluggged into it doesn't mean it's not doing something.

    Good luck and I hope this helps.

    Joe B


    PS on non midrange control Fender tweed. Low Power Twin, Pro, Super and Bandmaster. The bass needs to be at least parity with the Treble and Presence. The amps are anemic and thin with out the bass up past 12 o'clock in my experience.
    Thank you so much Joe, valuable info indeed and will help for sure. I have an old '67 plexi 100W (double rectifier) and is surprisingly sounding clean (biased hot) and needs to be almost at full volume to get the "right" amount of tone for lead but I'm with you about the bass control; "The higher the volume the lower the bass" but I'll start experimenting using your info.

    Gaston
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    Re: question for Joe B

    Would you mind discussing your settings for fender blackface amps Joe? My two favorite amplifiers are my 1966 super reverb, and my 1965 Vibrolux reverb. Thank you

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    Re: question for Joe B

    FYI, the bass on that amp during the recording was on about 2.
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    Re: question for Joe B

    Quote Originally Posted by F-Hole View Post
    FYI, the bass on that amp during the recording was on about 2.
    MY GOD !!!!! Thanks so much Joe, did not know that by lowering the Volume, it would add fat to the tone that much !!!!!
    Hey, thanks a lot F-Hole for the information !


    settings on the second part of the audio file: Presence 6, Bass 2, Middle 6, Treble 6, HT Volume 6.5, Normal Volume 8

    short soundfile demonstration : http://dicitte.com/images/MarshallPl...eBsettings.wav

    First part is with the Middle at 10, second part: the "JoeB" settings with the volume at 8 and the Bass at 2 ... (before reading F-Hole's post)
    the third part is the Bass at zero and the Volume at 10 !

    I don't know for y'all, but starting today, it's Joe's way for me: thicker, fat and more rich tone.

    Thanks again !

    Gaston

    p.s. recorded with a ZOOM not big science here, but it's guitar science I guess... (Ha! Ha!)
    Last edited by GastonG; 11-19-17 at 10:19 AM.
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    Re: question for Joe B

    thanks for posting the sound bits and cool pic Gaston! What geetar were you using?

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    Re: question for Joe B

    Quote Originally Posted by marfen View Post
    thanks for posting the sound bits and cool pic Gaston! What geetar were you using?

    my main guit-fiddle since 2009: a Pearly Gates Les Paul.

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    Re: question for Joe B

    Beautiful gear Gaston, and excellent setting info Joe. Thanks.

    Btw, judging by this last pic you must be an extremely tall man!

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    Re: question for Joe B

    Quote Originally Posted by fernieite View Post
    Beautiful gear Gaston, and excellent setting info Joe. Thanks.

    Btw, judging by this last pic you must be an extremely tall man!
    Thanks fernieite, and about the last pic, maybe an extremely tall tripod !

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    Re: question for Joe B

    Quote Originally Posted by marfen View Post
    Valuable advice. Any advice for us single tone control/instrument vol/mic vol tweed owners for settings? many thanks Joe.
    Thats a speaker preference thing. My best sounding Harvards / Vibrolux have later mid 60's Fender / Oxfords in them. I'm not sure if it's a happy accident or they were put in there for a reason. It's the way I bought them.
    Joe B

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    Re: question for Joe B

    Quote Originally Posted by Speedtaco View Post
    Would you mind discussing your settings for fender blackface amps Joe? My two favorite amplifiers are my 1966 super reverb, and my 1965 Vibrolux reverb. Thank you
    I learned from BB King. I would loan him my twin before he started carrying a Lab Series on the road. He'd show up and plug through whatever but he liked my twin cause it was loud. I remember getting my amp back after a show in 1990.
    The settings were..

    vol 10, Treble 10, Mid 10, bass 4 Rev 2 and the bright switch was off. He also pointed out that there was more "sustain" from the normal channel. He meant gain but I knew what he meant and always remembered that when using Gibson guitars and Fender amps. The volume on the guitar served as your master Vol, overdrive pedal and master tone. Good enough for BB good enough for me. Lol
    Joe B

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    Re: question for Joe B

    Joe,

    That's one awesome post. Thanks for your amazing contributions to this forum! This is the kind of stuff that makes The Les Paul Forum great!!

    Jeff

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    Re: question for Joe B

    Thanks Joe for the great advice and all best.

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    Re: question for Joe B

    Thanks for the response and great story Joe. Itís much appreciated and very interesting. Not sure I have ever cranked my twin to 10!

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    Re: question for Joe B

    Semi related, my '74 JMP Super Bass is a gainy MOFO..bass is always on 0.
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    Re: question for Joe B

    [QUOTE=JBLPplayer;2778609 Just because you are not pluggged into it doesn't mean it's not doing something..[/QUOTE]

    Right so .. on my 2 channel 66 BF i need to set both om them the same even when using just the one?

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    Re: question for Joe B

    Quote Originally Posted by Jon Brook View Post
    Right so .. on my 2 channel 66 BF i need to set both om them the same even when using just the one?
    Not necessarily....experiment to see what sounds best to you. I have found with my tweeds that what sounds awesome when you are playing alone doesn't always sound great in the band mix. In the mix they seem to do better with a bit more high end than when playin alone...ymmv

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    Re: question for Joe B

    Long story why I can’t get to my Fender amp but in my office I have a Peavy Classic 30 to mess around on. Joe’s advice/settings above really worked well on even that little thIng. But maybe it’s just more hearing, ok, reading someone like him say it that made me ‘trust’ what I was hearing. Thanks, Mr B!

    Since you are so gracious to answer our questions, please give this some thought in all your spare time. Ha! I’ve never understood how turning the volume up (way up) on an amp and ‘controlling it with the guitar’s volume’ works, when backing the guitar volume off always seems to kill any effect. Even in a clean channel, dialing the guitar volume back kills the bite. What am I missing - aside from real talent!?! Thanks.
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    Re: question for Joe B

    Quote Originally Posted by Doc Sausage View Post
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    when backing the guitar volume off always seems to kill any effect. Even in a clean channel, dialing the guitar volume back kills the bite. What am I missing - aside from real talent!?! Thanks.
    Hello Doc

    From what you've written, this could be the difference between '50s' and 'modern' wiring.

    There are a few links on here, eg:
    https://www.lespaulforum.com/forum/s...ght=50s+wiring

    Apologies if I am off target here.

    Best

    Andrew

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    Quote Originally Posted by ak_ View Post
    Hello Doc

    From what you've written, this could be the difference between '50s' and 'modern' wiring.

    There are a few links on here, eg:
    https://www.lespaulforum.com/forum/s...ght=50s+wiring

    Apologies if I am off target here.

    Best

    Andrew
    That does clear it up...somewhat. Thanks. So does '50's wiring' NOT decrease the guitar's signal by rolling the volume back? Or does it mask my 'problem' better? I also forgot about the effects loop as opposed to in-line effects not killing those as much.
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    Re: question for Joe B

    Quote Originally Posted by Doc Sausage View Post
    That does clear it up...somewhat. Thanks. So does '50's wiring' NOT decrease the guitar's signal by rolling the volume back? Or does it mask my 'problem' better? I also forgot about the effects loop as opposed to in-line effects not killing those as much.
    Hey Doc---there are no effects loops on vintage amps--might that be confusing this issue? In the 1970's through about 1984 I only had a Crybaby wah and MXR Phase 90 between my guitar and 100w Marshall amp heads that were usually cranked up to 8 1/2 or 9. Controlling clean/dirty with the guitar's volume control worked great. Same with smaller gigs through my 1966 Blackface Fender Pro Reverb amp on about 8 1/2 volume

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    Re: question for Joe B

    Quote Originally Posted by Chip's Music View Post
    Hey Doc---there are no effects loops on vintage amps--might that be confusing this issue? In the 1970's through about 1984 I only had a Crybaby wah and MXR Phase 90 between my guitar and 100w Marshall amp heads that were usually cranked up to 8 1/2 or 9. Controlling clean/dirty with the guitar's volume control worked great. Same with smaller gigs through my 1966 Blackface Fender Pro Reverb amp on about 8 1/2 volume
    Yeah, letís forget the effects loop thing for now. In the clean channel, I just never turned the amp up enough to get it to break up. I thought thatís what effects were for. Ha! Iím talking mainly Fenders. Even a 90ís era Blues Deville (I know, hardly vintage) is so loud with the guitar all the way up, a rookie just never thought to crank it and control with the guitar volume. But if I do, there is definitely some bite left with the guitar volume rolled off somewhat. Iíve been playing for 50 years and am just getting this concept! That and using the bass knob too. Better late than never.
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