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    50s wiring vs modern

    Does anyone NOT like 50s wiring ?
    Ive only starting using 50s wiring in last few months of my 20 years of playing live and all though i love many things about the 50s wiring like how the guitar retains the top end when the volumes rolled down
    and the way the tone knob works
    there is one thing i dont like and thats when i use plenty of overdrive and have the pots wide open . it just sounds TOO nasty and spikey where modern wiring sounds more smooth
    Thoughts guys ?

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    Re: 50s wiring vs modern

    Quote Originally Posted by GeraintGuitar View Post
    Does anyone NOT like 50s wiring ?
    Ive only starting using 50s wiring in last few months of my 20 years of playing live and all though i love many things about the 50s wiring like how the guitar retains the top end when the volumes rolled down
    and the way the tone knob works
    there is one thing i dont like and thats when i use plenty of overdrive and have the pots wide open . it just sounds TOO nasty and spikey where modern wiring sounds more smooth
    Thoughts guys ?
    I've always been vocal in my preference for the so called Modern wiring. I use my controls alot, enough to know the difference and tonal performance function. Too many folks get hung up on the "anything 50's is perfection" tree and seem overly obsessed with treble boosting an already bright build, paf style pickups and 500k pots.

    Funny thing my first vintage 50's guitar which wass mint and untouched had the "modern" style!
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    Re: 50s wiring vs modern

    Quote Originally Posted by Big Al View Post
    I've always been vocal in my preference for the so called Modern wiring. I use my controls alot, enough to know the difference and tonal performance function. Too many folks get hung up on the "anything 50's is perfection" tree and seem overly obsessed with treble boosting
    I Agree AL its an easy trap to fall in , maybe this way of thinking stems from Those "holy grail " 50s guitars which are just fantastic sounding but it wasnt just the wiring method that made them fantastic

    i also heard a lot of guitars came out of factory with so called modern wiring in the 50s like you just confirmed

    I soppose it all depends on what your style is and what kind of music your playing as to which wiring method you prefer like all things guitar

    anyway way you've made me realise that ive fallen into that trap of thinkin ANYTHING 50s is the best way

    ah well at least i know it now ! so thanks AL
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    Re: 50s wiring vs modern

    '50s wiring suits my style, and the way I like to interface with the instrument. It has its drawbacks, in that I actually don't like the treble bleed associated with lower volume settings, but I love the way I can control distortion by just backing off a hair or two, and I'm just familiar with the tonal ranges I get in that set up.

    I only ever had one guitar with modern wiring, and I actually didn't dig it. I sent back to vintage taper pots in a '50s scheme.

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    Re: 50s wiring vs modern

    I am confused?

    Which one of the wirings keep the high end when you roll of volym?

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    Re: 50s wiring vs modern

    Modern wiring is supposed to keep the high end.

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    Re: 50s wiring vs modern

    Quote Originally Posted by JJ Blair View Post
    Modern wiring is supposed to keep the high end.
    but it doesnt the so called 50s wiring retains the highs when the volumes rolled down

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    Re: 50s wiring vs modern

    Quote Originally Posted by JJ Blair View Post
    Modern wiring is supposed to keep the high end.


    Yeah this is what I always tought.

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    Re: 50s wiring vs modern

    Quote Originally Posted by GeraintGuitar View Post
    but it doesnt the so called 50s wiring retains the highs when the volumes rolled down
    I have the opposite experience. I wire all my guitars with 50's wiring, and there's treble bleed.

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    Re: 50s wiring vs modern

    For Les Pauls with vintage, relatively low output, PAF style, and esp. p90, pickups I greatly prefer 50s wiring. I can get a brighter more defined, thinner, more quasi single coil sound by turning the volume to 8-9 and tone around 6-7; the tone pot interacts with the volume so you can "thin" out the full girth of the tone by rolling the tone down, without really killing the highs unless you roll it down too far. The effect is especially dramatic with my R4, as it goes full on Johnny Thunders at vol/tone at 10/10, to fat chimey tele at 7-9/5-7.

    But if I find the bridge pickup too bright and strident, then modern wiring can be cool cause you can attenuate the shrill highs by running the volume just a touch lower, but still keep the tone knob on 10 in order to not make the tone too constipated. Some also say they like the volume taper swell better with modern wiring.

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    Re: 50s wiring vs modern

    I don't have a single guitar with modern wiring. So "Be like Ren, what you don't know cayn't hurt you (I don't think because I don't know whether I'm hurt or anything)"...


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    Re: 50s wiring vs modern

    I run a single channel amp, no pedals. I couldn't play a gig like this with modern wiring, expecially with another guitarist in the band.
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    Re: 50s wiring vs modern

    I have almost all of my guitars (even the Fenders) set up with '50s wiring for the purpose of keeping the guitar brighter when I turn down the volume control. It seems to also give them a little more bight when the volume control is all the way up.

    The only drawback that I see is that the tone controls affect volume quite a bit when the volume controls are set low.

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    Re: 50s wiring vs modern

    Quote Originally Posted by JJ Blair View Post
    Modern wiring is supposed to keep the high end.
    Modern wiring will keep the high end ONLY if you include treble bleed circuit - usually a cap and a resistor. Some people don’t like the sound of this, and use 50’s wiring which retains some of the treble when you roll back your volume. If you only use modern wiring and don’t incorporate a treble bleed circuit, you will notice a significant high frequency drop off when rolling back the volume control.

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    Re: 50s wiring vs modern

    Hello Forum members, especially 'left handed' playing members. I got into playing guitar later in life and have a few left handed Gibsons:
    2011 'left handed' Gibson Les Paul Standard
    2012 'left handed' Gibson SG Standard
    2012 'left handed' Gibson SG P-90 Standard
    2018 'left handed' Gibson Les Paul Junior

    Have a possibly stupid question, i believe Gibson ships their left handed guitars with a 'right-handed' wiring harness in them -- meaning lefties turn up/down vol/tone in opposite direction than righties. Since I've gotten use to this way, I am taking out my PCB pots wiring in my left handed LP Standard and putting in 50s wiring 'right handed' harness, along w/ switch. What I notice is that when I install both the Bridge and Neck Vol and Tone pots, I see the Pot Lug 1 ground position is now on bottom and the Pot Lug 3 pickup position is on top (basically you're flipping/rotating position of the pot when now inserting it into a lefty guitar)

    My question is: Generally, when it comes to a CTS pot, when looking at the Pot (shaft side up left to right), are Lug 1 and Lug 3 positions exactly the same? So, if I follow typical 50s wiring diagram for right handed harness when connecting my pickups and switch, is there a difference between Lug 1 and Lug 3? Will it make any difference when using the volume and tone knobs? Not sure if this is making sense?

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    Re: 50s wiring vs modern

    I like '50s wiring' just because its what I've grown used to... for whatever reason I switched to '50s Wiring' several years back and when I'm playing a Les Paul anything else just feels weird.

    It is amazing what you can get used to though... I mean, Ren is still around ain't he?
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    Re: 50s wiring vs modern

    I found modern wiring fine when I only played at home as I only ever used 10 on my guitars and controlled the overall volume on the amp.

    For about the last 10years I play the occasional gig and practice/jam with the band. I therefore use the volume a lot more so have wired all my guitars 50s style

    It's a personal preference though and I'm not dumb enough to argue with Big Al
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    Re: 50s wiring vs modern

    With 50w I do notice a slight increase in treble or brightness even on Ten! Yes, ten.

    Is that weird? Anyway, I am dropping my one LP to 300k pots to hopefully help. Problem with 50s wiring is your tone pot does not work as well......much less consistent!

    My thing is, I like to just keep the gain up on the amp and turn the volume down when I want a less grainy sound, but retaining clarity I am currently trying to find the right balance. Modern wiring with treble bleed, 50s wiring, or modern, etc.

    I want to be able to roll back volume for a less grainy sound while retaining clarity, but I want my tone control to work well. For this reason, modern and treble bleed seems best. However, I read that a treble bleed can really start to make the tone bright as you roll off volume! Not sure what to do.

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    Re: 50s wiring vs modern

    Quote Originally Posted by Retika View Post
    With 50w I do notice a slight increase in treble or brightness even on Ten! Yes, ten.

    Is that weird? Anyway, I am dropping my one LP to 300k pots to hopefully help. Problem with 50s wiring is your tone pot does not work as well......much less consistent!

    My thing is, I like to just keep the gain up on the amp and turn the volume down when I want a less grainy sound, but retaining clarity I am currently trying to find the right balance. Modern wiring with treble bleed, 50s wiring, or modern, etc.

    I want to be able to roll back volume for a less grainy sound while retaining clarity, but I want my tone control to work well. For this reason, modern and treble bleed seems best. However, I read that a treble bleed can really start to make the tone bright as you roll off volume! Not sure what to do.
    If you tune in the treble bleed by trying different cap values, you can find a cap that retains the amount of treble you want. If you just slap in a treble bleed kit with a pre-determined cap value it might be too bright as you turn down or not bright enough. You have to experiment with values, using test leads attached to your pots to test the caps, when you find the right value solder it in.
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    Re: 50s wiring vs modern

    Quote Originally Posted by GeraintGuitar View Post
    there is one thing i dont like and thats when i use plenty of overdrive and have the pots wide open . it just sounds TOO nasty and spikey where modern wiring sounds more smooth
    That should not be the case, when the pots are on 10 there is no difference between the 2 circuits, they are electrically identical.

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    Re: 50s wiring vs modern

    Dirk Wacker from Premier guitar has some thoughts about the wiring question in the August "Mod Garage". According to Mr. Wacker, Paul is right: https://www.premierguitar.com/articl...ire-a-tone-pot

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    Re: 50s wiring vs modern

    It's been several years that I have been a convert to 50's wiring and I love it 100% . Way back when , My Les Paul's had a sound like they were covered and muted , since I switched over to the 50's wiring a whole new world of tone has opened up . Yes this is most helpful to me as I play thru Marshall 2555X heads with a good amount of volume and my tone is a mid heavy tone and I have the volume on the bridge pickup on 10 and the tone on 6.5 and this works wonders for me .

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    Re: 50s wiring vs modern

    Hi All,

    I'm new in this forum as bought my first LP recently. It is a white burst signature T, and the very first time i had it in my hands I new i wanted to re-wire it to the Jimmy Page mod, to get those parallel/series and out of phase sounds.

    I had never wired a guitar before, but following a youtube tutorial I managed to get the guitar sounding, without noise and it seems that is totally working, all the phase switching and the series/parallel options. The tutorial is from "Breja Tone Works", I chose it because had the 50s wiring incorporated (if it is the capacitors location), and the question I have is about the 50s wiring.

    When i use the controls, i don't get any similar to what is said here in this thread. I found the sound with more "top end" (english is not my first languaje sorry if the terminology is not accurate), i mean the highs are louder and the lows are almost the same, the result is like a "middle-lost"... does it make sense?

    When i have the volumen at 10, the tone does nothing, it isn't working, if i put the tone at 4 and lower the volume, the sound lose the "highs" very quick, with the tone at 0 the result is like playing inside a swimming pool...

    When i leave the tone knob at 10 and lower the volume the result is great, no treble lost, but i dont know if that "middle-losing" is because the wiring itself or if I did something wrong...

    Has this happened to anyone?

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    Re: 50s wiring vs modern

    Quote Originally Posted by bocacra View Post
    Hi All,

    I'm new in this forum as bought my first LP recently. It is a white burst signature T, and the very first time i had it in my hands I new i wanted to re-wire it to the Jimmy Page mod, to get those parallel/series and out of phase sounds.

    I had never wired a guitar before, but following a youtube tutorial I managed to get the guitar sounding, without noise and it seems that is totally working, all the phase switching and the series/parallel options. The tutorial is from "Breja Tone Works", I chose it because had the 50s wiring incorporated (if it is the capacitors location), and the question I have is about the 50s wiring.

    When i use the controls, i don't get any similar to what is said here in this thread. I found the sound with more "top end" (english is not my first languaje sorry if the terminology is not accurate), i mean the highs are louder and the lows are almost the same, the result is like a "middle-lost"... does it make sense?

    When i have the volumen at 10, the tone does nothing, it isn't working, if i put the tone at 4 and lower the volume, the sound lose the "highs" very quick, with the tone at 0 the result is like playing inside a swimming pool...

    When i leave the tone knob at 10 and lower the volume the result is great, no treble lost, but i dont know if that "middle-losing" is because the wiring itself or if I did something wrong...

    Has this happened to anyone?

    Thanks

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    Welcome to the forum. I'm not sure of the answer to your question, but something does not seem right. I suggest that you start a new thread on this. More members are likely to see it if it's a new thread.

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    Re: 50s wiring vs modern

    Quote Originally Posted by bocacra View Post
    Hi All,

    I'm new in this forum as bought my first LP recently. It is a white burst signature T, and the very first time i had it in my hands I new i wanted to re-wire it to the Jimmy Page mod, to get those parallel/series and out of phase sounds.

    I had never wired a guitar before, but following a youtube tutorial I managed to get the guitar sounding, without noise and it seems that is totally working, all the phase switching and the series/parallel options. The tutorial is from "Breja Tone Works", I chose it because had the 50s wiring incorporated (if it is the capacitors location), and the question I have is about the 50s wiring.

    When i use the controls, i don't get any similar to what is said here in this thread. I found the sound with more "top end" (english is not my first languaje sorry if the terminology is not accurate), i mean the highs are louder and the lows are almost the same, the result is like a "middle-lost"... does it make sense?

    When i have the volumen at 10, the tone does nothing, it isn't working, if i put the tone at 4 and lower the volume, the sound lose the "highs" very quick, with the tone at 0 the result is like playing inside a swimming pool...

    When i leave the tone knob at 10 and lower the volume the result is great, no treble lost, but i dont know if that "middle-losing" is because the wiring itself or if I did something wrong...

    Has this happened to anyone?

    Thanks

    D.
    Welcome to the Forum . To me it sounds like something is not right with the wiring harness . If I were you I would have it checked out by a good guitar tech . I have the same issue with a Les Paul of mine that I grabbed when I was in LA and the bridge pickup ( Throbak ) just does not sound strong enough and I suspect that the actually bridge pickup was incorrectly installed in the neck position and I will have my Tech check the harness as well to make sure it is wired to 50' vintage spec . I shipped my guitar to my tech and told him to pull the mounting ring on the bridge pickup to verify that it is the actually bridge pickup .

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    Re: 50s wiring vs modern

    Quote Originally Posted by Don View Post
    Welcome to the forum. I'm not sure of the answer to your question, but something does not seem right. I suggest that you start a new thread on this. More members are likely to see it if it's a new thread.
    Thank you i will do it

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    Re: 50s wiring vs modern

    Quote Originally Posted by c_wester View Post
    I am confused?

    Which one of the wirings keep the high end when you roll of volym?

    If by ‘modern wiring’ we are talking about regular production .gibsons, the reason why these guitars maintain the high end when rolling down past 7 on the dial is that Gibson has used linear taper pots in their regular production guitars since the early ‘70’s. A linear pot gives one a wider usable sweep similar to what a treble bleed circuit with an audio taper pot or the ‘50’s wiring with an audio taper pot yields.
    Re: treble bleed circuits. I have found that I prefer to tune the bleed circuit for the pickups in use rather than use what is consider as ‘standard’ treble bleed circuit components values. I have found that a .001mfd cap with a paralleled 150kohm resistor maintains trebles but does not maintain circuit aspects of the midrange. Different values can achieve a uniform signal with regard to frequencies at any volume setting.
    I am not sold on the ‘50’s wiring with audio taper pots....but I do prefer it to an unbypassed audio taper pot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wally View Post
    If by ‘modern wiring’ we are talking about regular production .gibsons, the reason why these guitars maintain the high end when rolling down past 7 on the dial is that Gibson has used linear taper pots in their regular production guitars since the early ‘70’s. A linear pot gives one a wider usable sweep similar to what a treble bleed circuit with an audio taper pot or the ‘50’s wiring with an audio taper pot yields.
    Re: treble bleed circuits. I have found that I prefer to tune the bleed circuit for the pickups in use rather than use what is consider as ‘standard’ treble bleed circuit components values. I have found that a .001mfd cap with a paralleled 150kohm resistor maintains trebles but does not maintain circuit aspects of the midrange. Different values can achieve a uniform signal with regard to frequencies at any volume setting.
    I am not sold on the ‘50’s wiring with audio taper pots....but I do prefer it to an unbypassed audio taper pot.
    Just to clarify, are you referring to the volume pots being linear ? Many thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sol View Post
    Just to clarify, are you referring to the volume pots being linear ? Many thanks

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    Re: 50s wiring vs modern

    I just switched my 345 to 50's wiring and the volume drop is pretty insane when you roll back the volume knob. Im not sure what the hype is with 50's wiring. Its got lots of treble but its got zero body once the volumes down to like 6 or 7 which is where I usually live
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    Quote Originally Posted by DoctorDox View Post
    I just switched my 345 to 50's wiring and the volume drop is pretty insane when you roll back the volume knob. Im not sure what the hype is with 50's wiring. Its got lots of treble but its got zero body once the volumes down to like 6 or 7 which is where I usually live
    So I decided to try and stick with 50’s and it’s absolutely better so I take back everything I said.

    the clarity is unreal, just had to find my new spots. Nothing like it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DoctorDox View Post
    So I decided to try and stick with 50’s and it’s absolutely better so I take back everything I said.

    the clarity is unreal, just had to find my new spots. Nothing like it.
    Yes something similar is happening to me. I just realized that i had to change the settings of the amps to "acomodate" to the new signal. With that i can have the same results as before (i think..., btw what strings do you use? have seen the youtube video of rick beato about the incidence of the gauge?) but also putting the volume in 7.5 (audio pots) i have something new, it is not what i expected, but i think it could be better... why is factory preferred the "modern" wiring? I think the discussion is there, if everyone who tries it stick with the 50s, why is not factory preset??

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    Re: 50s wiring vs modern

    Just as many like modern.
    Look we use what works for us. This notion that 50's is some magical tonal secret that unlocks the true greatness of our guitars and modern wiring is everything evil is beyond laughable.

    One persons clarity is anothers shrill, retain brightness or become thin. If it works for you, fine, that's all it does.

    I play predominantly straight into non master vintage amps. My ability to use my controls to consistently color my tone is important. Some of what I've read here makes me doubt the source.
    Even in my crippled f'd up state I can make it happen.
    Simply because it works for me and I understand how to work the controls. That's all it is. I have vintage guitars and have learned how to work them as is, as I keep them stock. Of the two types, I prefer the modern style. It just works better for me.

    However, this notion that modern wiring somehow hampers my ability to pull stellar tone or prevent me from giging with bandmates is beyond belief. I must have imagined the thousands of gigs over my lifetime as a steady working musician.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Al View Post
    Just as many like modern.
    Look we use what works for us. This notion that 50's is some magical tonal secret that unlocks the true greatness of our guitars and modern wiring is everything evil is beyond laughable.

    One persons clarity is anothers shrill, retain brightness or become thin. If it works for you, fine, that's all it does.

    I play predominantly straight into non master vintage amps. My ability to use my controls to consistently color my tone is important. Some of what I've read here makes me doubt the source.
    Even in my crippled f'd up state I can make it happen.
    Simply because it works for me and I understand how to work the controls. That's all it is. I have vintage guitars and have learned how to work them as is, as I keep them stock. Of the two types, I prefer the modern style. It just works better for me.

    However, this notion that modern wiring somehow hampers my ability to pull stellar tone or prevent me from giging with bandmates is beyond belief. I must have imagined the thousands of gigs over my lifetime as a steady working musician.
    Agree. Logic says if they decided to stop wiring that way must be a good reason. The fact is that I rarely read anything about the "cons" of 50s wiring, everyone writes about the "pros". So i just wondered why is that they changed to "modern" and stick to that over so many decades... must be something. I dont have two identical guitars so i can compare one to one the pros and cons, i have to "remember" what i had and try to compare. At the end the important thing is that the sound you have is what you want.

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    Re: 50s wiring vs modern

    I had the modern wiring in my 68 Les Paul Custom. Whenever I turned down the volume, I lost the high end, and it got woofy/muddy. When I switched to 50's wiring it retained the high end without a treble bleed mod.

    Now if you don't roll your volume knobs and use a pedal then you probably can leave your guitar volume knobs on 10 and it won't make much difference. But since I play (usually) a single channel amp, and roll my volumes, the 50's wiring makes a big difference in the clarity of the guitar tone when the volume is rolled off.

    Just my .02/experience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bocacra View Post
    Yes something similar is happening to me. I just realized that i had to change the settings of the amps to "accommodate" to the new signal. With that i can have the same results as before (i think..., btw what strings do you use? have seen the youtube video of rick beato about the incidence of the gauge?) but also putting the volume in 7.5 (audio pots) i have something new, it is not what i expected, but i think it could be better... why is factory preferred the "modern" wiring? I think the discussion is there, if everyone who tries it stick with the 50s, why is not factory preset??

    D.
    I was never sure what to do with my old 345 after taking the varitone out, and im glad im at 50s wiring now. the BEST with the right pots. I use Daddarrio 10's. I saw that Rick Beato thing and I always thought 9's sounded better, but my hands cant make the conversion down to 9's in a live setting. I just stopped worring about the "number" setting and just used my ears like I used to. Id say because of the more modern player, not really adjusting the tone and volume knobs, into high gain amps, they make the choice to use modern when the guitar is made. Makes me think about some old custom shop les pauls I owned, wondering if they were modern or 50's

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    Re: 50s wiring vs modern

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    Just as many like modern.
    Look we use what works for us. This notion that 50's is some magical tonal secret that unlocks the true greatness of our guitars and modern wiring is everything evil is beyond laughable.

    One persons clarity is anothers shrill, retain brightness or become thin. If it works for you, fine, that's all it does.

    I play predominantly straight into non master vintage amps. My ability to use my controls to consistently color my tone is important. Some of what I've read here makes me doubt the source.
    Even in my crippled f'd up state I can make it happen.
    Simply because it works for me and I understand how to work the controls. That's all it is. I have vintage guitars and have learned how to work them as is, as I keep them stock. Of the two types, I prefer the modern style. It just works better for me.

    However, this notion that modern wiring somehow hampers my ability to pull stellar tone or prevent me from giging with bandmates is beyond belief. I must have imagined the thousands of gigs over my lifetime as a steady working musician.
    I can say, I do feel for what I personally want, the 50's gets me there and sounds superior to me, the way I run my rig. But its what works for you, and why until people try it for themselves, they wont know.

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    Re: 50s wiring vs modern

    Quote Originally Posted by DoctorDox View Post
    I can say, I do feel for what I personally want, the 50's gets me there and sounds superior to me, the way I run my rig. But its what works for you, and why until people try it for themselves, they wont know.
    Absolutely! They both have strengths and weaknesses and there is no universal Best". It depends upon personal style, signal chain and voodoo. I have 'em both ways and can use either, but one works best for me.
    The older I get, the better I was.

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    Re: 50s wiring vs modern

    Quote Originally Posted by Big Al View Post
    Absolutely! They both have strengths and weaknesses and there is no universal Best". It depends upon personal style, signal chain and voodoo. I have 'em both ways and can use either, but one works best for me.
    Same! That’s the way, or as they say in The Mandalorian “this is the way”.

    people crap on the whole “voodoo” stuff and get super practical, but there is an element of real stuff and then a mental aspect. To me, it’s comparable to putting a great fuzz face copy in a generic enclosure, and putting something else that doesn’t sound as good, in a FF enclosure. The voodoo of the FF enclosure makes folks want THAT.

    50’s works great for me, but I had to find new spots. But I think a lot of folks look at numbers on potentiometer knobs instead of using the numbers on your ears

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    Re: 50s wiring vs modern

    There's something that happens to the mids and upper-mids with 50's wiring that I don't like. I'm used to using the tone and volume in modern wiring, so I just stick with that.

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