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    New Duane Allman Clone Pups from Wizz

    PSA: Anyone wanting to release their inner Duane (the other one) might want to have a look at the new Duane Allman pups announced today from Wizz... they are hotttttttt!!!

    http://www.wizz-pickups.net/signature-series-pickups
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    Re: New Duane Allman Clone Pups from Wizz

    Hot? High output, overwound? Love that Allman tone. Anything that gets you there is a good thang!
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    Re: New Duane Allman Clone Pups from Wizz

    The measurements I have for Duane's Cherryburst are: 8.21k Neck & 7.46k Bridge. These are the pickups that were originally in the `57 Goldtop.
    I have the Darkburst reading at: 8.31k Neck & 9.04k Bridge(this is how they were after Kurt flipped positions). This is what they measured the last night of the Brothers Beacon show in Oct. 2014.
    The PAF's in the Goldtop are what were originally in the Cherryburst I believe.. I'd have to ask as I know when the guitar was found it needed some help.

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    Re: New Duane Allman Clone Pups from Wizz

    Quote Originally Posted by Big Al View Post
    Hot? High output, overwound? Love that Allman tone. Anything that gets you there is a good thang!
    I know both Derek & Warren said there's something a little more special about the Darkburst vs. the CB & GT.
    I know Derek has one of Duane's 50 watt heads.

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    Re: New Duane Allman Clone Pups from Wizz

    Quote Originally Posted by Big Al View Post
    Hot? High output, overwound? Love that Allman tone. Anything that gets you there is a good thang!
    There are two sets being offered... the Hot 'Lanta Set and the Layla/Fillmore Set. The 'Lantas are definitely hotttt... with DCs of about 8.7k and 8.3k.


    Quote Originally Posted by TM1 View Post
    The measurements I have for Duane's Cherryburst are: 8.21k Neck & 7.46k Bridge. These are the pickups that were originally in the `57 Goldtop.
    I have the Darkburst reading at: 8.31k Neck & 9.04k Bridge(this is how they were after Kurt flipped positions). This is what they measured the last night of the Brothers Beacon show in Oct. 2014.
    The PAF's in the Goldtop are what were originally in the Cherryburst I believe.. I'd have to ask as I know when the guitar was found it needed some help.
    Interesting! Where did you get those readings for the CB? The readings I have are 6.97k in the neck and 7.04k. I don't know all the technicalities but I think that since those pickups came out of a '57 Goldtop they would've had fatter wire in them and winding them to 8.21k would have been pretty difficult. When Gibson Custom had the CB in for replication they opted for Underwound #3 Custom Buckers with an average DC reading of 7k, which was closer to what was found on '57 Goldtops at the time... but again, who knows? The only consistency about Gibson is/was their inconsistency.

    Interesting read about the trials and tribulations of the Goldtop after Duane sold it here...

    Quote Originally Posted by TM1 View Post
    I know both Derek & Warren said there's something a little more special about the Darkburst vs. the CB & GT.
    I know Derek has one of Duane's 50 watt heads.
    I've heard the same... and it seems Duane was also over the moon with the Darkburst... too bad there are so few recordings of it... the ones I've heard are way punchier and brighter than the Cherry... making it even more difficult to differentiate between Duane and Dickey at times...
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    Re: New Duane Allman Clone Pups from Wizz

    AFAIK 57 PAF and pre decal employed the same PE 42 gauge wire as all PAF's as it was already in use on the P90's in the 50's. So I don't understand the thicker wire thing.

    Resistance readings are just that, a measure of the total resistance of the coils and not output. A static reading of the pickups resistance at rest. It changes with temperature and other variables.

    I had a pair of hot sounding PAFs without covers that both had resistance readings below 7k around 6.7k IIRC. Buck Sulcer grabbed 'em up from me and agreed, they sounded powerful and clear.
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    Re: New Duane Allman Clone Pups from Wizz

    Quote Originally Posted by Big Al View Post
    AFAIK 57 PAF and pre decal employed the same PE 42 gauge wire as all PAF's as it was already in use on the P90's in the 50's. So I don't understand the thicker wire thing.

    Resistance readings are just that, a measure of the total resistance of the coils and not output. A static reading of the pickups resistance at rest. It changes with temperature and other variables.

    I had a pair of hot sounding PAFs without covers that both had resistance readings below 7k around 6.7k IIRC. Buck Sulcer grabbed 'em up from me and agreed, they sounded powerful and clear.
    I don't know if the wire was thicker or the coating (or just the inconsistencies in both that made it fatter) but that was always my understanding... and as usual, I could be wrong. Maybe someone more in the know can clarify...

    You are absolutely right about the resistance reading having so little to do with the final output... there are just so many variables at play. Its too bad so many pickups are 'measured' by that alone. Of course, it plays a part, but its not the whole picture. The Wizz Fillmores are both about 7k and they feel just as strong as the 'Lantas (which read so much higher). The only true measure is the ears of the listener and they tell me I play louder than I used to... but I ain't having any of that...
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    Re: New Duane Allman Clone Pups from Wizz

    Quote Originally Posted by duaneflowers View Post
    I don't know if the wire was thicker or the coating (or just the inconsistencies in both that made it fatter) but that was always my understanding... and as usual, I could be wrong. Maybe someone more in the know can clarify...

    You are absolutely right about the resistance reading having so little to do with the final output... there are just so many variables at play. Its too bad so many pickups are 'measured' by that alone. Of course, it plays a part, but its not the whole picture. The Wizz Fillmores are both about 7k and they feel just as strong as the 'Lantas (which read so much higher). The only true measure is the ears of the listener and they tell me I play louder than I used to... but I ain't having any of that...
    I hear you brother! The resistance measure has nothing to do with output and is not an output, that is the coils reacting to the vibrating string within the magnetic field generates a current as output. The resitant load stays the same.

    The wire size or the diameter is measured by gauge. The insulation type determines the overall diameter. Plain enamel is the thinnest followed by polysol and heavy formvar. In general all 42 ga plain enamel wire should be the same thickness but the wire can be stretched out thinner when manufactured but not thicker AFAIK. Thinner wire will have higher resistance.

    I do like pickups that dupe Duanes and Dickies tone, all of them! And thanks for the heads up.
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    Re: New Duane Allman Clone Pups from Wizz

    Quote Originally Posted by duaneflowers View Post
    There are two sets being offered... the Hot 'Lanta Set and the Layla/Fillmore Set. The 'Lantas are definitely hotttt... with DCs of about 8.7k and 8.3k.




    Interesting! Where did you get those readings for the CB? The readings I have are 6.97k in the neck and 7.04k. I don't know all the technicalities but I think that since those pickups came out of a '57 Goldtop they would've had fatter wire in them and winding them to 8.21k would have been pretty difficult. When Gibson Custom had the CB in for replication they opted for Underwound #3 Custom Buckers with an average DC reading of 7k, which was closer to what was found on '57 Goldtops at the time... but again, who knows? The only consistency about Gibson is/was their inconsistency.

    Interesting read about the trials and tribulations of the Goldtop after Duane sold it here...



    I've heard the same... and it seems Duane was also over the moon with the Darkburst... too bad there are so few recordings of it... the ones I've heard are way punchier and brighter than the Cherry... making it even more difficult to differentiate between Duane and Dickey at times...
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    Re: New Duane Allman Clone Pups from Wizz

    Quote Originally Posted by TM1 View Post
    I got them from Steve Morris's tech who set them up before the final shows. Alan Paul gave them to me.
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    Re: New Duane Allman Clone Pups from Wizz

    Quote Originally Posted by duaneflowers View Post
    PSA: Anyone wanting to release their inner Duane (the other one) might want to have a look at the new Duane Allman pups announced today from Wizz... they are hotttttttt!!!

    http://www.wizz-pickups.net/signature-series-pickups
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    Re: New Duane Allman Clone Pups from Wizz

    The thicker wire comes from the way the wire is made. The gear that is used tend to enlarge the diameter due material loss in the gear by friction. So the wire get thicker until the point the workers change the tools to new ones.
    I work in a steel selling company. We sell tubes like we buy them, by weight. But our customers don't except that and only pay the length with a fixed price. So we have constantly differences because the wall thickness of the tubes changes with every shipment.
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    Re: New Duane Allman Clone Pups from Wizz

    If you ask me, the Cherry Burst is the tone monster not 'Hot Lanta'.
    Pick up output is irrelevant here, Duane used his ears not a multimeter.

    [We can dissect Duane's guitar in another thread].

    If Duane used Hot Lanta to record with it may have been Blue Sky or Stand Back from "Eat a Peach" but I don't have the studio recording dates in front of me?
    Duane received Hot Lanta in June of 71, after the March Fillmore East recordings.

    I just don't buy all this talk of Duane's hotter, high output desire when his sound was very mild compared to the Les Paul / Marshall tone back then.
    If Duane so desired this high gain tone, why didn't he use it?
    I too read that "Duane wanted all the gain he could get".
    All I hear is a nice warm over driven tone at times, no high gain Marshall distortion at all anywhere on any recording.

    The recording of the Fillmore East closing in June of 71 I tought Duanes guitar sounded thinner, then I remembered he was most likely using the SG for slide [if not then it was 'Hot Lanta].
    Does the standard tuned Hot Lanta [recorded at the Fillmore closing in June] sound as good as the Cherry Burst from the March"At Fillmore East" recording...I don't think so.
    No contest there.The Cherry Burst had all the fine qualities associated with vintage bursts.

    I never read anything about Duane being over the moon with Hot Lanta?
    If you did, then please share it.
    He loved the figured top that's all.

    Duane was also using the SG more & more in late 71 for his slide work. "Stand Back" possibly?
    I'm not sure Hot Lanta was even used to record the few [if any] tracks he laid down on Eat a Peach?
    While Hot Lanta is the beauty, his cherry burst is the Holy Grail. For me anyway...

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    Re: New Duane Allman Clone Pups from Wizz

    Quote Originally Posted by PaulLaRue View Post
    If you ask me, the Cherry Burst is the tone monster not 'Hot Lanta'.
    Pick up output is irrelevant here, Duane used his ears not a multimeter.

    [We can dissect Duane's guitar in another thread].

    If Duane used Hot Lanta to record with it may have been Blue Sky or Stand Back from "Eat a Peach" but I don't have the studio recording dates in front of me?
    Duane received Hot Lanta in June of 71, after the March Fillmore East recordings.

    I just don't buy all this talk of Duane's hotter, high output desire when his sound was very mild compared to the Les Paul / Marshall tone back then.
    If Duane so desired this high gain tone, why didn't he use it?
    I too read that "Duane wanted all the gain he could get".
    All I hear is a nice warm over driven tone at times, no high gain Marshall distortion at all anywhere on any recording.

    The recording of the Fillmore East closing in June of 71 I tought Duanes guitar sounded thinner, then I remembered he was most likely using the SG for slide [if not then it was 'Hot Lanta].
    Does the standard tuned Hot Lanta [recorded at the Fillmore closing in June] sound as good as the Cherry Burst from the March"At Fillmore East" recording...I don't think so.
    No contest there.The Cherry Burst had all the fine qualities associated with vintage bursts.

    I never read anything about Duane being over the moon with Hot Lanta?
    If you did, then please share it.
    He loved the figured top that's all.

    Duane was also using the SG more & more in late 71 for his slide work. "Stand Back" possibly?
    I'm not sure Hot Lanta was even used to record the few [if any] tracks he laid down on Eat a Peach?
    While Hot Lanta is the beauty, his cherry burst is the Holy Grail. For me anyway...
    AFAIK when Duane got 'Lanta he completely stopped using the Cherry Burst... including studio work... that is a pretty good indication of which sounded best to him and I really doubt it was because he liked the way it looked. Most likely it was more due to touch sensitivity, subtle overtones, responsiveness to his playing style, and whatever other subjective factors that you wouldn't be able to discern by looking at the guitar or listening to audience recordings that led him to prefer it.

    I agree that 'Lanta does sound 'thinner' because the PAFs in 59s sounded thinner than the fatter PAF sound of the '57s (which is what was in the Cherry Burst) but in that thinness is greater articulation, separation and IMHO more chime. Were 'Lanta's recordings engineered the way the Fillmore recordings were that thinness would've been compensated for as were most '59 PAF recordings.

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    Re: New Duane Allman Clone Pups from Wizz

    Does anyone know for sure what "studio work" Duane did with Hot Lanta?
    Songs,Tracks?

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    Re: New Duane Allman Clone Pups from Wizz

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamerfan View Post
    The thicker wire comes from the way the wire is made. The gear that is used tend to enlarge the diameter due material loss in the gear by friction. So the wire get thicker until the point the workers change the tools to new ones.
    I work in a steel selling company. We sell tubes like we buy them, by weight. But our customers don't except that and only pay the length with a fixed price. So we have constantly differences because the wall thickness of the tubes changes with every shipment.
    Drawn wire to specific size is the spec. 42 gauge. Buyers are buying 42gauge and not 41 gauge. Often the wire was checked with a micrometer and as in any manufacturing process there may be some drift, but this is a specific spec made to function in a specific set of parameters. The size or diameter of 42gauge wire may show some small drifting from spool to spool but I haven;t seen anything indicating a thicker gauge wire on PAF pickups. The most common deviation was for thinner wire from stretching in the manufacturing process. I worked with Seymour Duncan in the 70's and learned a lot about pickups and there components from him. He was a freak for measuring every little detail of any pickup he could and has an extensive library of these specs.

    No one has ever detailed the pickups in Duanes stock Humbuckers as far as I know. Are you just assuming something or do you know something about this guitar or it's pickups? Only thing I know for sure is Brother Duane made it sing and cry.
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    Re: New Duane Allman Clone Pups from Wizz

    Quote Originally Posted by duaneflowers View Post
    PSA: Anyone wanting to release their inner Duane (the other one) might want to have a look at the new Duane Allman pups announced today from Wizz... they are hotttttttt!!!

    http://www.wizz-pickups.net/signature-series-pickups
    duane do you have them?

    My only reservation for not putting them in my duane 2003 hotlanta is, well... the guitar is worth a pretty good chunk of change and I"m a little worried that monkeying with it and making it "not stock" could decrease the value. I guess even if I put the original (I think they are burstbuckers) back in if I ever had to sell it perhaps it wouldn't matter.

    and I say "had to sell" because I really don't anticipate ever wanting to actually sell it.

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    Re: New Duane Allman Clone Pups from Wizz

    Quote Originally Posted by Big Al View Post
    Drawn wire to specific size is the spec. 42 gauge. Buyers are buying 42gauge and not 41 gauge. Often the wire was checked with a micrometer and as in any manufacturing process there may be some drift, but this is a specific spec made to function in a specific set of parameters. The size or diameter of 42gauge wire may show some small drifting from spool to spool but I haven;t seen anything indicating a thicker gauge wire on PAF pickups. The most common deviation was for thinner wire from stretching in the manufacturing process. I worked with Seymour Duncan in the 70's and learned a lot about pickups and there components from him. He was a freak for measuring every little detail of any pickup he could and has an extensive library of these specs.

    No one has ever detailed the pickups in Duanes stock Humbuckers as far as I know. Are you just assuming something or do you know something about this guitar or it's pickups? Only thing I know for sure is Brother Duane made it sing and cry.
    I use a really sharp pencil to draw wire.

    I may look at these. The last set of his I looked at (thanks DEWAAAAAANE!) were so expensive I would have had to pawn a kidney and my left nut.


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    Re: New Duane Allman Clone Pups from Wizz

    Quote Originally Posted by Pellman73 View Post
    duane do you have them?

    My only reservation for not putting them in my duane 2003 hotlanta is, well... the guitar is worth a pretty good chunk of change and I"m a little worried that monkeying with it and making it "not stock" could decrease the value. I guess even if I put the original (I think they are burstbuckers) back in if I ever had to sell it perhaps it wouldn't matter.

    and I say "had to sell" because I really don't anticipate ever wanting to actually sell it.
    I've had both sets for several weeks now and they ain't goin' nowhere... several sets have been in and out of those guitars (Allman Sigs) but I've kept the originals so that they can be returned to stock if need be. They sound awesome and make me want to play more... which is what matters most to me.
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    Re: New Duane Allman Clone Pups from Wizz

    Quote Originally Posted by duaneflowers View Post
    I've had both sets for several weeks now and they ain't goin' nowhere... several sets have been in and out of those guitars (Allman Sigs) but I've kept the originals so that they can be returned to stock if need be. They sound awesome and make me want to play more... which is what matters most to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by renderit View Post
    I use a really sharp pencil to draw wire.

    I may look at these. The last set of his I looked at (thanks DEWAAAAAANE!) were so expensive I would have had to pawn a kidney and my left nut.
    Yes indeed... those 50s wire sets are a bit pricey... but closest thing to real PAFs that I can afford. And I have 2 sets... had to pawn both kidneys...

    Quote Originally Posted by Pellman73 View Post
    Duane-san

    you exert much influence from so far away

    ren how close is your finger to the trigger

    im getting closer
    Of course the Hot 'Lanta set was designed for your darkburst sig and nails it to a tee, but the layla/fillmore set is mighty fine, too... if you're into those Whipping Post overtones and such...
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    Man, GAS has been pretty tame this summer until I read this Duane. I appreciate the heads up. You got me started with the pickup chase on another forum a couple of years ago, and pretty much all my guitars have choice pickups in them at this point.....I need another LP for these!


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    As has often been said, the only thing consistent about Gibson is their inconsistency... that being said the inconsistency in pickups, no doubt, exists so that they all don't end up sounding exactly the same... the logic of which is rather compelling. I don't really find the Gibson's pickups that I end up replacing bad, I just think there are better sounding options available... and I want my fiddles to sound as good as they possibly can. Not to mention that if you've heard me play you'll know I need all the help I can get...
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    Re: New Duane Allman Clone Pups from Wizz

    ordered a set of the Hot Lantas

    looking forward to putting them in what should be a rightful home

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pellman73 View Post
    ordered a set of the Hot Lantas

    looking forward to putting them in what should be a rightful home
    Looking forward to your tone report!!!
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    Re: New Duane Allman Clone Pups from Wizz

    Quote Originally Posted by PaulLaRue View Post
    I just don't buy all this talk of Duane's hotter, high output desire when his sound was very mild compared to the Les Paul / Marshall tone back then.
    If Duane so desired this high gain tone, why didn't he use it?
    I too read that "Duane wanted all the gain he could get".
    All I hear is a nice warm over driven tone at times, no high gain Marshall distortion at all anywhere on any recording.
    Here is a good comparison of the Cherry Burst and the Dark Burst on one of my favorite ABB songs, Stormy Monday... listen to Duane's solo on these two tracks and you'll hear a noticeable difference between the two guitars.

    Duane's Cherry Burst solo starting at about 3:00


    Duane Dark Burst solo starting at about 3:20
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pellman73 View Post
    Duane-san

    you exert much influence from so far away

    ren how close is your finger to the trigger

    im getting closer
    Pull! I gots an old wire set coming and a slightly custom regular set coming. I don't think the Hot or Dark are as good a match for me as what I had him do. Not that I don't like them, I just need something different for a couple of projects I have.


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    Quote Originally Posted by duaneflowers View Post
    listen to Duane's solo on these two tracks and you'll hear a noticeable difference between the two guitars.
    He's also using different amps in those clips..
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    Quote Originally Posted by renderit View Post
    Pull! I gots an old wire set coming and a slightly custom regular set coming. I don't think the Hot or Dark are as good a match for me as what I had him do. Not that I don't like them, I just need something different for a couple of projects I have.
    awesome!

    congrats!

    hey Duane that was a cool thing how you posted both those songs with the different guitars. that's some serious Duane-ology!

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    Quote Originally Posted by renderit View Post
    Pull! I gots an old wire set coming and a slightly custom regular set coming. I don't think the Hot or Dark are as good a match for me as what I had him do. Not that I don't like them, I just need something different for a couple of projects I have.
    That's awesome! I'm looking forward to your tonal analysis... considering...


    Quote Originally Posted by Pellman73 View Post
    awesome!

    congrats!

    hey Duane that was a cool thing how you posted both those songs with the different guitars. that's some serious Duane-ology!
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    Re: New Duane Allman Clone Pups from Wizz

    Some people think "high gain" = distortion

    I can get distortion with a solid state amp and a cheap stomp box.

    I think of "high gain" < distortion. A finer tuning of the tone right before it distorts. Please don't think I'm trying to start an argument. I just don't think it matters what any of us think because we really don't know the tone Duane Allman was chasing in his head. All we know is the tone he achieved which was brilliant.

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    Re: New Duane Allman Clone Pups from Wizz

    Quote Originally Posted by chasenblues View Post
    He's also using different amps in those clips..
    That's what I was going to say. Didn't they use Fenders for the A&R gig? That seems like it would impart much more of tonal characteristic than the pickups.
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    Re: New Duane Allman Clone Pups from Wizz

    Duaneflowers or anyone else,

    How do the Wizz Duane pickups compare to the OX4 Duane pickups?

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    Duaneflowers or anyone else,

    How do the Wizz Duane pickups compare to the OX4 Duane pickups?
    The Ox4 Hot Duane set is an enigma to me, I have a really early set and liked the way they sounded when I first got a set, but they aren't as multidimensional as the sets that followed in that guitar so they never went back in. I call them an enigma as they are called Hot Duanes, and are wound very hot, yet are made (aesthetically and spec-wise) to more closely resemble the Fillmore set... which was not at all hot. I think that originally they were called Hot 'Lantas... which would've probably been more accurate. I had a set of those in one of my Allman Cherry Bursts for a while, and they were an aesthetic replacement as they come with black bobbins and no covers, as did the stock ones in the Cherry Bursts. I don't believe I've ever seen a picture of Duane playing his bursts without the pickups being covered... I'm not sure why they are uncovered now and/or who took the covers off, but pups without covers sound different to my ear and so I think that, in order to achieve the most accurate Duane tone, you need the covers on. If they were wound with the intention of keeping the covers off, then they could've been EQ'd differently somehow (I really don't know all the technicalities involved in winding pickups). As far as a tonal comparison, a set of signature pickups is essentially a set of PAF clones first and foremost... to which some particular flavor has been added. Wizz and Ox4 duplicate different sets of PAFs, which, as we all, were all unique. I don't know if its due to materials, EQ, specs copied, winding machine, etc., but the base Wizz set is closer to the sound I am chasing in regard to the perfect PAF tone so, by extension, I prefer the sound of the Wizz ones. To my ear they are richer and chimier with sweeter overtones, and have greater touch sensitivity than Ox4. Some folks prefer the Ox4s for the very same reasons... different strokes for different folks... but for me, the Wizzes nail it on every one of the dozen or so sets I have.
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    Re: New Duane Allman Clone Pups from Wizz

    Thank you Duaneflowers for your comparison of all three pickups. I find a lot of hidden gems of knowledge in Big Al, renderit, Pellman73 and your posts. I get that playing style does alter the way things sound and we all hear things differently. Your explanations and experience with different pickups especially in different manufacturers instruments is greatly appreciated.

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    You won't find gems from me. Those are gallstones!


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    I can't believe you had the gall to say that!

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    Many's the time Ren has demonstrated he has mighty big stones...
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    Re: New Duane Allman Clone Pups from Wizz

    Quote Originally Posted by renderit View Post
    Pull! I gots an old wire set coming and a slightly custom regular set coming. I don't think the Hot or Dark are as good a match for me as what I had him do. Not that I don't like them, I just need something different for a couple of projects I have.
    D'ja get 'em?
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    Paid for 'em a month ago. Still no answer.


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