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    NGD 4-digit '58 Junior

    Just picked up this very clean '58.
    All original except for the Badass bridge.
    The only real flaw is some fade on the front...



    a couple of hanger marks on the head, but no checking at all on the head or body...



    as expected, a soapbar under a sanded-down dogear cover. Almost certainly the first time the covers had come off...


    and nothing under the pickup


    original bumble-bee and pots...


    ...feels like a piano when you strum it, so solid and mega sustain.
    plus the hang-tag!
    Last edited by montesada; 01-13-18 at 08:11 PM.

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    Re: NGD 4-digit '58 Junior

    Very nice!

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    Re: NGD 4-digit '58 Junior

    Awesome!

    I love seeing these soapbar in disguise juniors.
    Congrats!
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    Re: NGD 4-digit '58 Junior

    Quote Originally Posted by buyusfear View Post
    Awesome!

    I love seeing these soapbar in disguise juniors.
    Congrats!
    Are these "soapbar in disguise juniors" common or unusual?

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    Re: NGD 4-digit '58 Junior

    Quote Originally Posted by psigh4 View Post
    Are these "soapbar in disguise juniors" common or unusual?
    Uncommon enough that theres a thread here from a while back where a bunch of folks were unsure of their existence at first, and then realized that they did exist.
    I'd love to see a few more pics more from the side profile showing the thickness of the dogear cover's ears.
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    Re: NGD 4-digit '58 Junior

    Quote Originally Posted by psigh4 View Post
    Are these "soapbar in disguise juniors" common or unusual?
    They seem to be very common in the particular batch of 1958 Juniors that had [only] the 4 digit serial numbers.
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    Re: NGD 4-digit '58 Junior

    It's sanded down basically to the bottom of the the tab reliefs...


    Last edited by montesada; 01-13-18 at 08:14 PM.

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    Re: NGD 4-digit '58 Junior

    Quote Originally Posted by montesada View Post
    It's sanded down basically to the bottom of the the tab reliefs...
    Thanks for the pics!
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    Re: NGD 4-digit '58 Junior

    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Wittrock View Post
    They seem to be very common in the particular batch of 1958 Juniors that had [only] the 4 digit serial numbers.
    This one fits into the known (6000-7000) range of numbers very nicely. It's in the 68xx range.
    Sharper body edge, jumbo frets...

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    Re: NGD 4-digit '58 Junior

    Buyusfear and TW: Thanks for the responses.

    Montesada: Wonderful Junior. Congrats!!

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    Re: NGD 4-digit '58 Junior

    Beautiful guitar, Congratulations! These are very cool guitars, btw this is the thread that buyusfear mentioned:

    http://www.lespaulforum.com/forum/sh...t+%2758+Junior
    Lost in the middle of a Brazillian rosewood
    fingerboard......

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    Re: NGD 4-digit '58 Junior

    My 4-digit 58 Junior with sharp edges has the narrow fret wire.
    I received mine as a husk that had been stored away after stripped of hardware and finish (except serial number) back in the 60s. Mine has the vampire bite marks of soap bar screws in the pickup cavity.

    image1_zpsfb7a88f6.jpeg

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    Re: NGD 4-digit '58 Junior

    Quote Originally Posted by toxpert View Post
    My 4-digit 58 Junior with sharp edges has the narrow fret wire.
    I received mine as a husk that had been stored away after stripped of hardware and finish (except serial number) back in the 60s. Mine has the vampire bite marks of soap bar screws in the pickup cavity.

    image1_zpsfb7a88f6.jpeg
    What range is the number in? Maybe we can narrow down the introduction of jumbo frets...

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    Re: NGD 4-digit '58 Junior

    What's the deal with the DC 58's with large frets? I thought they big frets first appeared in '59. Are there any DC's with small frets? I don't think I've ever seen any.

    Awesome guitar, btw!
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    Re: NGD 4-digit '58 Junior

    Quote Originally Posted by montesada View Post
    What range is the number in? Maybe we can narrow down the introduction of jumbo frets...
    Quote Originally Posted by 27sauce View Post
    What's the deal with the DC 58's with large frets? I thought they big frets first appeared in '59. Are there any DC's with small frets? I don't think I've ever seen any.

    Awesome guitar, btw!
    There is definitely an overlap on when the fret size changed. Most double cut Juniors and Specials seem to have large wire [even 58s] and most single cut Juniors and Specials seem to have narrow frets [even 59s].
    There are quite a few 59 Bursts with narrow frets. I know of at least one 58 Burst with the larger frets.
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    Re: NGD 4-digit '58 Junior

    Lovely Junior!! I have a`59 Special and it had narrow frets on it when I bought it 25 years ago. They were pretty wore down too. I ended up refretting it right away as it was barely playable with those worn out small, narrow frets.

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    Re: NGD 4-digit '58 Junior

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    Re: NGD 4-digit '58 Junior

    Curiosity got the better of me today, so I opened up the Junior to get the dates off the pots...

    In the earlier thread about these '58s, TW mentioned his had pots dated the 41st and 44th weeks of '58....

    mine does too! Exactly the same.

    The tone pot is 41 and the volume is 44...


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    Re: NGD 4-digit '58 Junior

    That's some great info!
    And a real beauty!
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