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    Re: New Joe Bonamassa Epiphone Amos Signature model?

    Quote Originally Posted by Stevie C. View Post
    Well, I'm still not convinced it's veneer, but either way I think its an awesome guitar and well worth the money!
    The tuners themselves seem nice to me, so I'll just be replacing the gross green buttons with new ones.
    I'll also be putting the Seymour Duncan Amos pickups in this weekend hopefully, as long as this friggin' snow storm doesn't delay their delivery..
    I'll probably swap out the tuners and caps too at some point with USA made CTS and Pio caps.
    I'm sure they are nice. but Open your eyes. Look at the crotch, the top center seam does not match the side seam. The veneer is also apparent.
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    Re: New Joe Bonamassa Epiphone Amos Signature model?

    Quote Originally Posted by John Galt View Post
    The reason is simple, to hide a less than desirable grain pattern. If these were indeed ~two~ pieces of Korina they would be much more than $899 and therefore outside Epiphone's target market ;) Veneer makes these affordable for chumps like you and me. Check out pics of the originals, they WERE two solid pieces and the grain is nowhere near as nice as these with the veneer . .

    Show me where Epi specs this as solid two piece Korina, they don't, you are being deceitful with yourself. LOL!

    Actually I paid less than $899, got the employee discount ;) THAT is less than 1/200th to 1/300th the cost of an original and I get a very ~nice~ copy of an unobtainable iconic guitar for a price I can afford.

    Peace \ /
    Epiphone specs state SOLID AFRICAN LIMBA (KORINA) body. Now your being deceitful. Read the whole thread.
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    Re: New Joe Bonamassa Epiphone Amos Signature model?

    Quote Originally Posted by Big Al View Post
    Epiphone specs state SOLID AFRICAN LIMBA (KORINA) body. Now your being deceitful. Read the whole thread.
    Semantics.

    FYI definition of "solid":

    adjective, solider, solidest.

    1. having three dimensions (length, breadth, and thickness), as ageometrical body or figure.
    2. of or relating to bodies or figures of three dimensions.
    3. having the interior completely filled up, free from cavities, or nothollow

    http://www.dictionary.com/browse/solid?s=t

    It ~is~ solid Korina all the way through, just in two pieces and the veneers . . . all solid Korina . . . If you take that literally (as you apparently are) then it would be ONE solid piece of wood with no center seam . . . and we all know that's just silly.

    aaaannnnd Nope, Epiphone does not spec ~SOLID~ AFRICAN LIMBA:

    http://www.epiphone.com/Products/Des...-Flying-V.aspx

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    Re: New Joe Bonamassa Epiphone Amos Signature model?

    Quote Originally Posted by Big Al View Post
    I'm sure they are nice. but Open your eyes. Look at the crotch, the top center seam does not match the side seam. The veneer is also apparent.
    Yeah, my eyes are open. But I’m not the forensic scientist/ guitar expert that apparently you are, but the seams look like they line up to me?
    Last edited by Stevie C.; 03-07-18 at 12:24 PM.

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    Re: New Joe Bonamassa Epiphone Amos Signature model?

    Quote Originally Posted by fakejake View Post
    Weren't the JB Treasure Firebirds veneered as well?
    I sanded down my JB Firebird for a refin and there was no veneer on it. Mine was gold to begin with.

    The V looks cool but the price is a bit steep IMHO for what you get. I know a couple people who got them and love them so YMMV but I probably would buy a used Gibson for the money they're charging.

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    Re: New Joe Bonamassa Epiphone Amos Signature model?

    Quote Originally Posted by Amp360 View Post
    I sanded down my JB Firebird for a refin and there was no veneer on it. Mine was gold to begin with.

    The V looks cool but the price is a bit steep IMHO for what you get. I know a couple people who got them and love them so YMMV but I probably would buy a used Gibson for the money they're charging.
    If I could get a Gibson ‘58 re-issue Korina V for anywhere near that kind of money I would’ve bought one of those too!

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    Re: New Joe Bonamassa Epiphone Amos Signature model?

    You guys shoulda met Al before he became such a gentle man! I suspect he's a little hot for two reasons:
    1. Epiphone and JB are being coy about this. If they simply admitted it was a veneer, we'd all move on. But there'd be grumbling about the price because it is quite a bit higher than the less carefully put together but also veneer regular version. At least we wouldn't feel like they're trying to scam us.
    2. People arguing that some guitars aren't veneer when they clearly are. Just admit it and move on. It doesn't change the fact that you love your guitar and got the deal you wanted. And hey, if history is any indication, you'll do well-when the original guitars are all sold you can resell it for a modest profit!

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    Re: New Joe Bonamassa Epiphone Amos Signature model?

    Quote Originally Posted by DrRobert View Post
    You guys shoulda met Al before he became such a gentle man! I suspect he's a little hot for two reasons:
    1. Epiphone and JB are being coy about this. If they simply admitted it was a veneer, we'd all move on. But there'd be grumbling about the price because it is quite a bit higher than the less carefully put together but also veneer regular version. At least we wouldn't feel like they're trying to scam us.
    2. People arguing that some guitars aren't veneer when they clearly are. Just admit it and move on. It doesn't change the fact that you love your guitar and got the deal you wanted. And hey, if history is any indication, you'll do well-when the original guitars are all sold you can resell it for a modest profit!
    Well said DrRobert

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    Re: New Joe Bonamassa Epiphone Amos Signature model?

    Quote Originally Posted by Stevie C. View Post
    Yeah, my eyes are open. But I’m not the forensic scientist/ guitar expert that apparently you are, but the seams look like they line up to me?
    It isn't that they line up, Mr Magoo, it is a tight top seam and a wider side seam along with the obvious veneer everyone sees, but you. As I've said, not for me but great for them that want one, as long as the veneer is noted.
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    Re: New Joe Bonamassa Epiphone Amos Signature model?

    Quote Originally Posted by Big Al View Post
    It isn't that they line up, Mr Magoo, it is a tight top seam and a wider side seam along with the obvious veneer everyone sees, but you. As I've said, not for me but great for them that want one, as long as the veneer is noted.
    Do i know it's veneer? Yes.

    Does it bother mer? No.

    Do i love this guitar? Hell yes!! Been playing guitar for about 40 years and this it my 10th one. Maybe, but just maybe, my R8 come close to to inspiring my playing as this one does. And it sounds great to...

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    Re: New Joe Bonamassa Epiphone Amos Signature model?

    Quote Originally Posted by viper007 View Post
    Do i know it's veneer? Yes.

    Does it bother mer? No.

    Do i love this guitar? Hell yes!! Been playing guitar for about 40 years and this it my 10th one. Maybe, but just maybe, my R8 come close to to inspiring my playing as this one does. And it sounds great to...
    Couldn’t have said it better!!

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    Re: New Joe Bonamassa Epiphone Amos Signature model?

    Quote Originally Posted by viper007 View Post
    Do i know it's veneer? Yes.

    Does it bother mer? No.

    Do i love this guitar? Hell yes!! Been playing guitar for about 40 years and this it my 10th one. Maybe, but just maybe, my R8 come close to to inspiring my playing as this one does. And it sounds great to...
    Hey, I think that's great. It is a nice, and affordable copy. I love my FB I and if you read the whole thread you'd see how excited I was about these. I wanted similar quality to my Firebird. IMO, it didn't meet that mark and I passed. I am not slamming them at all, just not what I was lead to believe.

    I just wanted to be clear about the build as some keep pushing the lie about the veneer which only leads to confusion and misrepresentaton. If I'm the bad guy, fine, I'll be the bad guy but I ain't the one lying.
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    Re: New Joe Bonamassa Epiphone Amos Signature model?

    Quote Originally Posted by Big Al View Post
    Hey, I think that's great. It is a nice, and affordable copy. I love my FB I and if you read the whole thread you'd see how excited I was about these. I wanted similar quality to my Firebird. IMO, it didn't meet that mark and I passed. I am not slamming them at all, just not what I was lead to believe.

    I just wanted to be clear about the build as some keep pushing the lie about the veneer which only leads to confusion and misrepresentaton. If I'm the bad guy, fine, I'll be the bad guy but I ain't the one lying.
    Wow, first name calling, and now I'm lying? I love how people on the internet dare to insult people and be rude when they know the other person has no way of reaching their throat.. That never happens in person, since these type of people are pretty gutless to begin with..
    I'm still waiting for someone to prove that it is veneer? I could care less which way it turns out, because I think its pretty awesome either way, but I sure as hell am not going to fold on what I think it is, based on what some pompous piece of shit says...

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    Re: New Joe Bonamassa Epiphone Amos Signature model?

    I don't speak for Al, but I didn't read that as accusation of YOU lying - but rather a lie by Epiphone that is getting repeated enough to confuse the market. For the record, I have an Epiphone Elitist Sheraton I really love. I am tired of reading claims that it has identical materials and better workmanship than a custom shop Gibson, it simply does not, but it keeps getting repeated online. The center block is multi-piece, the finish is poly, and there are other quirks that are in line with its price point. I resent the misinformation, but still love the instrument. And as a mass produced instrument, it is unlikely to vary in specification significantly fro others unless it is a prototype, which is why some cheaper high volume guitars have flame veneer even if they have solid finishes - efficiency at scale production.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stevie C. View Post
    Wow, first name calling, and now I'm lying? I love how people on the internet dare to insult people and be rude when they know the other person has no way of reaching their throat.. That never happens in person, since these type of people are pretty gutless to begin with..
    I'm still waiting for someone to prove that it is veneer? I could care less which way it turns out, because I think its pretty awesome either way, but I sure as hell am not going to fold on what I think it is, based on what some pompous piece of shit says...

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    Re: New Joe Bonamassa Epiphone Amos Signature model?

    I'm with Douglas, I'm sure the "lying" Big Al was referring to was from Epiphone, not you Stevie! And, to be fair, it hasn't been out and out lying, it's been kind of "lay low" innuendo-AFAIK no one directly connected with the project has come out and said "yes it is veneer" or "no it isn't", they just sort of implied it wasn't by saying "solid Korina".

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    Re: New Joe Bonamassa Epiphone Amos Signature model?

    Just started taking it apart to install my Amos pickups, and thought I'd upload a few gut shots for everyone to see..

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    Re: New Joe Bonamassa Epiphone Amos Signature model?

    In the first photo is the bridge rout as I found it, and in the last photo, you'll see where I scraped the poly right down to the wood on the bridge rout to reveal just the seam of the wood. Where is this veneer everyone seems to be seeing??
    I see grain that follows from the top right down in the bottom of the pu cavity as well as the control rout.









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    Re: New Joe Bonamassa Epiphone Amos Signature model?

    I was pretty worried about what the Blackwood fretboard was going to look like in person, but I gotta say I love it!
    Not only is it nice and smooth, it has a lot of dark brown in it too!
    Not a lot different in color from my R8!



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    Re: New Joe Bonamassa Epiphone Amos Signature model?

    Looks nice - and I can see where you're coming from about the grain continuing down into the routes. The one spot that seems odd to me is the end of the tenon visible in the pickup route. It looks to me like the tenon runs past the pickup route, and you can see vertical seams coming up that sidewall, but then there is no visible tenon on the top surface underneath the pickguard. Nothing else look particularly veneered to me, but that spot seem very suspicious from what I see.

    I remember when the older models came out and they seemed to be solid due to the rounded corners and other details. It was only after checking one out in person that I was able to see that they had used thicker pieces to conceal the sides so the router wouldn't break through veneer edges. Good problem solving for manufacture, and I respect them for that so long as they don't misrepresent it. That said, I would have no expectations of a completely solid guitar at that price from Epiphone, and if I liked the guitar, I would continue to enjoy it.

    Cool guitar BTW.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stevie C. View Post
    I was pretty worried about what the Blackwood fretboard was going to look like in person, but I gotta say I love it!
    Not only is it nice and smooth, it has a lot of dark brown in it too!
    Not a lot different in color from my R8!



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    Re: New Joe Bonamassa Epiphone Amos Signature model?

    Quote Originally Posted by Stevie C. View Post
    In the first photo is the bridge rout as I found it, and in the last photo, you'll see where I scraped the poly right down to the wood on the bridge rout to reveal just the seam of the wood. Where is this veneer everyone seems to be seeing??
    I see grain that follows from the top right down in the bottom of the pu cavity as well as the control rout.









    Interesting.

    Now I have to take mine apart. Thought I was seeing a veneer now I'm not sure . . . maybe it's the poly topcoat that makes it look like a veneer . . Thanks for posting those pics!!

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    Re: New Joe Bonamassa Epiphone Amos Signature model?

    Quote Originally Posted by John Galt View Post
    Interesting.

    Now I have to take mine apart. Thought I was seeing a veneer now I'm not sure . . . maybe it's the poly topcoat that makes it look like a veneer . . Thanks for posting those pics!!
    Yup, I think that's the case too.. You can clearly see when looking at it in person where the grain runs right over the router edge on the sides. I can't imagine anyone would take that much time matching up a veneer like that..
    Like I said before, it doesn't bother me either way. But I am sitting here with the thing in my hand, looking at it with magnification, and I see no sign of veneer at all.. YMMV

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    Re: New Joe Bonamassa Epiphone Amos Signature model?

    But good God, I can't get these friggin' puke green tuner knobs off!!!! I've put a ton of heat to them, and they won't let go! Must be epoxy? Any suggestions, aside from replacing the whole tuning set? They seem nice other than the knobs.. Thanks

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    Re: New Joe Bonamassa Epiphone Amos Signature model?

    Wait a sec, is that a proper V extended uber tenon going under a veneer between the pickups?

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    Re: New Joe Bonamassa Epiphone Amos Signature model?

    Quote Originally Posted by deytookerjaabs View Post
    Wait a sec, is that a proper V extended uber tenon going under a veneer between the pickups?
    That's what I was thinking too, except without the veneer!
    Last edited by Stevie C.; 03-10-18 at 09:14 PM.

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    Re: New Joe Bonamassa Epiphone Amos Signature model?

    Finally got the tuner knobs off... The soldering iron I was using didn't go high enough to break free the epoxy of whatever was hold them on...
    Looks way better now!!


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    Re: New Joe Bonamassa Epiphone Amos Signature model?

    Did you name it "The Beast"? I can't recall ever seeing that # on a headstock before, or are they 5's?

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    Re: New Joe Bonamassa Epiphone Amos Signature model?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thundermtn View Post
    Did you name it "The Beast"? I can't recall ever seeing that # on a headstock before, or are they 5's?
    They are 5's luckily!

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    Re: New Joe Bonamassa Epiphone Amos Signature model?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thundermtn View Post
    Did you name it "The Beast"? I can't recall ever seeing that # on a headstock before, or are they 5's?
    The Triple Nickel!!

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    Re: New Joe Bonamassa Epiphone Amos Signature model?

    Quote Originally Posted by Stevie C. View Post
    That's what I was thinking too, except without the veneer!


    Uh, think about that for a minute.....

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    Re: New Joe Bonamassa Epiphone Amos Signature model?

    What is "blackwood" anyway?. I have seen that before and wondered.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stevie C. View Post
    I was pretty worried about what the Blackwood fretboard was going to look like in person, but I gotta say I love it!
    Not only is it nice and smooth, it has a lot of dark brown in it too!
    Not a lot different in color from my R8!



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    Re: New Joe Bonamassa Epiphone Amos Signature model?

    Quote Originally Posted by deytookerjaabs View Post
    Uh, think about that for a minute.....
    I think it must be just a thin sliver at the tail end of the tenon.. When you look at the upper end of the bridge pickup, you can see the seam going all the way to the top, so I don't see what else explains it?

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    Re: New Joe Bonamassa Epiphone Amos Signature model?

    Quote Originally Posted by zombiwoof View Post
    What is "blackwood" anyway?. I have seen that before and wondered.
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    Found this on LMII (Luthier Mercantile)

    "African Blackwood (a member of the Rosewood family, Dalbergia) has long been recognized by classical guitar builders as the "holy grail" of tonewoods. With a strong responsive taptone that surpasses even Brazilian Rosewood, it can contribute great volume, power and brilliance to a guitar."

    Never would have guessed this, but pretty cool!

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    Re: New Joe Bonamassa Epiphone Amos Signature model?

    If you see vertical tenon lines in the front cavity you would see these on the top, really looks veneer IMO .
    Ive never confused owning a bunch of high end gear with being some kind of a guitar player I'm a hack and I love guitars

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    Re: New Joe Bonamassa Epiphone Amos Signature model?

    Quote Originally Posted by AA00475Bassman View Post
    If you see vertical tenon lines in the front cavity you would see these on the top, really looks veneer IMO .
    Could be... It sure looks like a well built V either way! Certainly no crap in the middle that's for sure!

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    Re: New Joe Bonamassa Epiphone Amos Signature model?

    I truly believe Steve you have a fine guitar , really so what if a veneer is present seems to be done very well. My EPI V of years ago did not hold a candle to the Amos . Enjoy your V the thing looks beautiful !
    Ive never confused owning a bunch of high end gear with being some kind of a guitar player I'm a hack and I love guitars

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    Re: New Joe Bonamassa Epiphone Amos Signature model?

    Quote Originally Posted by AA00475Bassman View Post
    I truly believe Steve you have a fine guitar , really so what if a veneer is present seems to be done very well. My EPI V of years ago did not hold a candle to the Amos . Enjoy your V the thing looks beautiful !
    Thanks Dude! Just got my Amos pickups installed yesterday too. Sounds awesome! (Stock pickups sounds great too, but much different.) Lots more Growl now!

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    Re: New Joe Bonamassa Epiphone Amos Signature model?

    A bit late replying, but it was mostly due to waiting on a replacement. Sweetwater was able to get one to me at the beginning of the month.
    Sound great, plays well and it's not damaged... yay!

    Though, it looks like I'm destined to have a dirty crotch "V".
    This new one has a subtle streak of black near the center seam; nowhere near as obvious as my first one but it's there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stevie C. View Post
    But good God, I can't get these friggin' puke green tuner knobs off!!!! I've put a ton of heat to them, and they won't let go! Must be epoxy? Any suggestions, aside from replacing the whole tuning set? They seem nice other than the knobs.. Thanks
    I just replaced the tuners with a set of "Golden Age" Kluson replicas from Stewart MacDonald. Price was great and they fit the Epiphone bushings. The Buttons are a nice creamy color.

    http://www.stewmac.com/Hardware_and_..._Machines.html

    For that price, it wasn't worth trying to remove the knobs from the stock tuners to me.
    My guitar style is "islands of competence in a sea of mediocrity."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stevie C. View Post
    Found this on LMII (Luthier Mercantile)

    "African Blackwood (a member of the Rosewood family, Dalbergia) has long been recognized by classical guitar builders as the "holy grail" of tonewoods. With a strong responsive taptone that surpasses even Brazilian Rosewood, it can contribute great volume, power and brilliance to a guitar."

    Never would have guessed this, but pretty cool!
    Mine looks surprisingly like Brazilian rosewood.
    My guitar style is "islands of competence in a sea of mediocrity."

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    Re: New Joe Bonamassa Epiphone Amos Signature model?

    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Gary View Post
    I just replaced the tuners with a set of "Golden Age" Kluson replicas from Stewart MacDonald. Price was great and they fit the Epiphone bushings. The Buttons are a nice creamy color.

    http://www.stewmac.com/Hardware_and_..._Machines.html

    For that price, it wasn't worth trying to remove the knobs from the stock tuners to me.
    Yup,I don't blame you one bit. They were a total pain to get them off there, but it looks so much better now!

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