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    Re: Joe B Firebird I/Treasure. What's everyone think?

    Could anyone post a control cavity shot please?

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    Re: Joe B Firebird I/Treasure. What's everyone think?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lenny View Post
    Could anyone post a control cavity shot please?





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    Re: Joe B Firebird I/Treasure. What's everyone think?

    I just pulled mine out again and even though I have my issues with my left arm, (I also fell and broke my left hand), I wanted to check it out and I have to say, the action is perfect, the neck is dead on straight and it plays and sounds fantastic. I cannot play much right now, for obvious reasons, but my son is always willing to do so for me and we have these little evaluation sessions that make for great father son bonding. Nick is 31 now and it is nice to spend time with him sharing this stuff.

    I find almost everything about this guitar appealing. It looks great, I have a burst. I would rather have had a lacquer finish but really for 8 bills I win't complaining. The pickup, in our estimation has a very woody vintage sound and is not a high output fire breather, but it has a very nice vintage type tonality. I was surprised as I expected not to like it at all, but it interfaces with my vintage and modern amps well and has that more Fendery single coil type tone that I kinda like. It responds very well to tone and volume pot changes and works great with pedals. I like it.

    The bridge works very well and intonation is not a problem, at all.

    We both feel the frets are too low. The vintage types may like them, but both Nick and I prefer the Dunlop 6100 type of tall/wide fret and I see a refret in the future.

    The Klusons are just like every other Banjo Kluson I have used on my vintage and reissue Firebirds and they are what they are. I like the fact that they are there and they bug me for the same reasons the originals did, but I am happy to deal with it and it isn't a problem.

    The finish is good and the burst well applied, but it is thick poly and I may do a refine when I regret it, I haven't decided yet. Still, I can live with this, it isn't bad just not vintage.

    I would prefer nickel hardware and I may change it all out, but it isn't that important to me right know and the Klusons are chrome I think so I don't know if I can even get them in nickel.

    Pots got to go.

    Still, this is an excellent guitar, nit picking aside, and I have no regrets for having bought mine. In fact I am rather pleased as I have always wanted a Firebird I and this has proven to be a good one. They are all gone now right? I mean sold out? So glad I got mine. I may grab a used one when they start popping up and go nuts modding it out and doing a refine in a custom color.
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    Re: Joe B Firebird I/Treasure. What's everyone think?

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    Thanks Stevie. I had mine wired this way but have switched to the 50's wiring and it sounds 10 times better now. The treble doesn't vanish when rolling off the volume and the tone pot has a perfect sweep.

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    Re: Joe B Firebird I/Treasure. What's everyone think?

    You can still buy nickel Kluson firebird tuners 119.00 , I have owned 7 Firebird's over 40 years never had a problem other than i find banjo style hard to operate .
    Ive never confused owning a bunch of high end gear with being some kind of a guitar player I'm a hack and I love guitars !

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    Re: Joe B Firebird I/Treasure. What's everyone think?

    Quote Originally Posted by AA00475Bassman View Post
    You can still buy nickel Kluson firebird tuners 119.00 , I have owned 7 Firebird's over 40 years never had a problem other than i find banjo style hard to operate .
    Good to know, thanks.
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    Re: Joe B Firebird I/Treasure. What's everyone think?

    I thought the hardware WAS nickel. The pickup certainly is.

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    Re: Joe B Firebird I/Treasure. What's everyone think?

    Quote Originally Posted by kharrison View Post
    I thought the hardware WAS nickel. The pickup certainly is.
    You might be right. I haven't bought a guity with shiny new nickle plate for so long I saw shine and thought chrome. It doesn't look like any of my vintage nickle hardware.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Al View Post
    You might be right. I haven't bought a guity with shiny new nickle plate for so long I saw shine and thought chrome. It doesn't look like any of my vintage nickle hardware.
    FWIW, the Kluson banjo tuners ARE available in nickel finish. I put a set on my '14 Firebird V last winter. I know, I know, I'm crazy. I admit it.
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    Re: Joe B Firebird I/Treasure. What's everyone think?

    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Gary View Post
    FWIW, the Kluson banjo tuners ARE available in nickel finish. I put a set on my '14 Firebird V last winter. I know, I know, I'm crazy. I admit it.
    I did too, lol

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    Re: Joe B Firebird I/Treasure. What's everyone think?

    mine came with large frets, similar to Jumbo - almost perfect for me (I prefer 57110S - jescar stainless jumbos)
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    Re: Joe B Firebird I/Treasure. What's everyone think?

    Mine just arrived two days ago.

    The neck was so bowed as to make it unplayable. After I set it up, it played terrible and sounded just as bad. Maybe I got a lemon but it was nothing like I was expecting. I have a few other Epiphones that are very nice instruments so I'm not sure what to think

    I'm returning it. I was very excited to get it too.

    It certainly looks cool and the finish is very nice.

    the rest I have to pass on.

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    Re: Joe B Firebird I/Treasure. What's everyone think?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moderne View Post
    Mine just arrived two days ago.

    The neck was so bowed as to make it unplayable. After I set it up, it played terrible and sounded just as bad. Maybe I got a lemon but it was nothing like I was expecting. I have a few other Epiphones that are very nice instruments so I'm not sure what to think

    I'm returning it. I was very excited to get it too.

    It certainly looks cool and the finish is very nice.

    the rest I have to pass on.
    Ah man, that's too bad. They're nice when they're setup right and most of the ones I've seen were great right out of the box. Mine needed a tweak of the TR and a little file action on the nut. I eventually installed a Nylon Nut like the early Sixties ones would have had.
    LPForum member Randk is making them with a CNC and selling them on Ebay and I think also in the classifieds here.. they're worth every bit of the $18.00

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    Re: Joe B Firebird I/Treasure. What's everyone think?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moderne View Post
    Mine just arrived two days ago.

    The neck was so bowed as to make it unplayable. After I set it up, it played terrible and sounded just as bad. Maybe I got a lemon but it was nothing like I was expecting. I have a few other Epiphones that are very nice instruments so I'm not sure what to think

    I'm returning it. I was very excited to get it too.

    It certainly looks cool and the finish is very nice.

    the rest I have to pass on.
    I was thinking of buying one after reading this I'm glad i bought a 2014 firebird V last week .
    Ive never confused owning a bunch of high end gear with being some kind of a guitar player I'm a hack and I love guitars !

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    Re: Joe B Firebird I/Treasure. What's everyone think?

    Quote Originally Posted by AA00475Bassman View Post
    I was thinking of buying one after reading this I'm glad i bought a 2014 firebird V last week .
    My 2013 Firebird is a STELLAR instrument, although I did gut it, replacing all of the electronics and hardware, except the Steinberger tuners which after a learning curve, I've grown to love, and I hate banjo tuners, which I've had a few that were plain terrible on two different 'birds. I only gutted it to sound more vintage, but it sounded great out of the box!

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    Re: Joe B Firebird I/Treasure. What's everyone think?

    Quote Originally Posted by TM1 View Post
    Ah man, that's too bad. They're nice when they're setup right and most of the ones I've seen were great right out of the box. Mine needed a tweak of the TR and a little file action on the nut. I eventually installed a Nylon Nut like the early Sixties ones would have had.
    LPForum member Randk is making them with a CNC and selling them on Ebay and I think also in the classifieds here.. they're worth every bit of the $18.00
    Mine is great but it needed quite a bit of truss-rod adjustment (neck was bowed) and some setup. Its almost perfect now
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    Re: Joe B Firebird I/Treasure. What's everyone think?

    Quote Originally Posted by rockabilly69 View Post
    My 2013 Firebird is a STELLAR instrument, although I did gut it, replacing all of the electronics and hardware, except the Steinberger tuners which after a learning curve, I've grown to love, and I hate banjo tuners, which I've had a few that were plain terrible on two different 'birds. I only gutted it to sound more vintage, but it sounded great out of the box!

    Here it is... https://soundcloud.com/daniel-weldon...d-and-victoria
    You really can play , enjoyed the clip as always !
    Ive never confused owning a bunch of high end gear with being some kind of a guitar player I'm a hack and I love guitars !

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    Re: Joe B Firebird I/Treasure. What's everyone think?

    Quote Originally Posted by AA00475Bassman View Post
    You really can play , enjoyed the clip as always !
    Just saw this, so thanks for that

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    Re: Joe B Firebird I/Treasure. What's everyone think?

    damn, that is great, as always!

    did you put your album out yet??? lemme know, I'll buy it

    I played a JB bird at a store, really liked it.

    I may pick one up, eventually, but I just got a custom '63 firebird repro built. can't justify it.

    too many gtrs, not enough time to play
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    Joe B Firebird I/Treasure Whats everyone think

    I'd love to fix it, but it is water damage. I've been thinking on getting another one for a while now and I think the unibios should be fine to swap out. I guess I haven't had time, but you know what? I've got a week off in December and i'll put this on my list.

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    Re: Joe B Firebird I/Treasure. What's everyone think?

    Here's my take on it. I think it's a nice guitar for the money. I bought mine (sunburst finish) from the original owner and got it for a good price. That being said, I can't comment on the set up 'right out of the box'. When I bought it, it had, what I believe to be, the original, light gauge (.009?) strings and played great.

    As with most import guitars, there was room for improvement. The guitar is very light and resonant, but top heavy due to the banjo tuners. Not surprising, but much more so than my '96 FB Reissue.

    Before I made the changes, the guitar sounded thin to my ears. I'm sure the lighter strings had something, but not all, to do with it. The following, what I believe to be, improvements were made:

    1. Replaced stock pots with 500K volume and 250K tone pots from a '64 Epiphone Olympic. Added a paper in oil capacitor.
    2. Replaced the output jack with one from the same Olympic.
    3. Replaced original bushings, studs and tailpiece with Mojoaxe steel studs and bushing and their compensated tailpiece.
    4. Replaced original pickup, which wasn't all that bad, with a custom wound Jon Moore modified FB pickup. Pickup has steel slugs in the coils and an alnico II magnet underneath. Kind of like a faux minihumbucker.
    5. Restrung it with D'Addario 010's.

    The guitar, to my ears sounds less thin now, and not as offensive in the high end. Other than the hardware items, everything else was from my parts stash, so the mods didn't cost me much.

    Now, my question to others who own this guitar is, do you have any issue with the steep neck angle? I ask because mine is such that the tailpiece sits very high off the body. I'm guessing that the necks were cut from blanks using a CNC machine, so they all should be consistent.

    Does anyone else have this issue?
    Last edited by gretsch8217; 06-01-18 at 08:35 AM.

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    Re: Joe B Firebird I/Treasure. What's everyone think?

    Quote Originally Posted by gretsch8217 View Post
    Here's my take on it. I think it's a nice guitar for the money. I bought mine (sunburst finish) from the original owner and got it for a good price. That being said, I can't comment on the set up 'right out of the box'. When I bought it, it had, what I believe to be, the original, light gauge (.009?) strings and played great.

    As with most import guitars, there was room for improvement. The guitar is very light and resonant, but top heavy due to the banjo tuners. Not surprising, but much more so than my '96 FB Reissue.

    Before I made the changes, the guitar sounded thin to my ears. I'm sure the lighter strings had something, but not all, to do with it. The following, what I believe to be, improvements were made:

    1. Replaced stock pots with 500K volume and 250K tone pots from a '64 Epiphone Olympic. Added a paper in oil capacitor.
    2. Replaced the output jack with one from the same Olympic.
    3. Replaced original bushings, studs and tailpiece with Mojoaxe steel studs and bushing and their compensated tailpiece.
    4. Replaced original pickup, which wasn't all that bad, with a custom wound Jon Moore modified FB pickup. Pickup has steel slugs in the coils and an alnico II magnet underneath. Kind of like a faux minihumbucker.
    5. Restrung it with D'Addario 010's.

    The guitar, to my ears sounds less thin now, and not as offensive in the high end. Other than the hardware items, everything else was from my parts stash, so the mods didn't cost me much.

    Now, my question to others who own this guitar is, do you have any issue with the steep neck angle? I ask because mine is such that the tailpiece sits very high off the body. I'm guessing that the neck were cut from blanks using a CNC machine, so they all should be consistent.

    Does anyone else have this issue?
    yes, at the treble side

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    Re: Joe B Firebird I/Treasure. What's everyone think?

    I think we have seen the violin syndrome across the range at Gibson , the Violin syndrome will cause me to take a pass when shopping guitars .
    Ive never confused owning a bunch of high end gear with being some kind of a guitar player I'm a hack and I love guitars !

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    Re: Joe B Firebird I/Treasure. What's everyone think?

    Not familiar with the violin syndrome . What exactly is it?

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    Re: Joe B Firebird I/Treasure. What's everyone think?

    Quote Originally Posted by gretsch8217 View Post
    Not familiar with the violin syndrome . What exactly is it?
    The the bridge is high like a violin bridge !
    Ive never confused owning a bunch of high end gear with being some kind of a guitar player I'm a hack and I love guitars !

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    Re: Joe B Firebird I/Treasure. What's everyone think?

    Quote Originally Posted by gretsch8217 View Post
    Here's my take on it. I think it's a nice guitar for the money. I bought mine (sunburst finish) from the original owner and got it for a good price. That being said, I can't comment on the set up 'right out of the box'. When I bought it, it had, what I believe to be, the original, light gauge (.009?) strings and played great.

    As with most import guitars, there was room for improvement. The guitar is very light and resonant, but top heavy due to the banjo tuners. Not surprising, but much more so than my '96 FB Reissue.

    Before I made the changes, the guitar sounded thin to my ears. I'm sure the lighter strings had something, but not all, to do with it. The following, what I believe to be, improvements were made:

    1. Replaced stock pots with 500K volume and 250K tone pots from a '64 Epiphone Olympic. Added a paper in oil capacitor.
    2. Replaced the output jack with one from the same Olympic.
    3. Replaced original bushings, studs and tailpiece with Mojoaxe steel studs and bushing and their compensated tailpiece.
    4. Replaced original pickup, which wasn't all that bad, with a custom wound Jon Moore modified FB pickup. Pickup has steel slugs in the coils and an alnico II magnet underneath. Kind of like a faux minihumbucker.
    5. Restrung it with D'Addario 010's.

    The guitar, to my ears sounds less thin now, and not as offensive in the high end. Other than the hardware items, everything else was from my parts stash, so the mods didn't cost me much.

    Now, my question to others who own this guitar is, do you have any issue with the steep neck angle? I ask because mine is such that the tailpiece sits very high off the body. I'm guessing that the necks were cut from blanks using a CNC machine, so they all should be consistent.

    Does anyone else have this issue?
    Mine was on the high side compared to other FB's I've owned but not excessively so. FWIW I did the same mods as you 'cept for a SD Antiquity pup. Great guitar and mines not neck heavy, well maybe a little but it doesn't dive.
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    Re: Joe B Firebird I/Treasure. What's everyone think?

    Quote Originally Posted by AA00475Bassman View Post
    The the bridge is high like a violin bridge !
    Ah.....got it! LOL Thanks.

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    Re: Joe B Firebird I/Treasure. What's everyone think?

    I want a Bird. What would you get? USA Firebird V or a Epi Bonnabird?

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    Quote Originally Posted by captainvideo View Post
    I want a Bird. What would you get? USA Firebird V or a Epi Bonnabird?
    I would recommend looking for a late 90's or early 2000's reissue. I've seen them in the $1200 range, which is what you'd pay for a newer one, which IMHO, are of lesser quality.

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    Re: Joe B Firebird I/Treasure. What's everyone think?

    Quote Originally Posted by captainvideo View Post
    I want a Bird. What would you get? USA Firebird V or a Epi Bonnabird?
    Go try a bunch of them, the right one will find you!

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    Re: Joe B Firebird I/Treasure. What's everyone think?

    I own several Firebirds I agree if you going for a USA model go early 90's , my USA 2016 has a neck profile IMO most buyers would not care for . My Historic birds are killer !
    Ive never confused owning a bunch of high end gear with being some kind of a guitar player I'm a hack and I love guitars !

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    Re: Joe B Firebird I/Treasure. What's everyone think?

    I had a 2016. Or whichever year they were 999 with a gig bag. The neck was too thin for me. But I really like the look of them, the balance, feel, sound, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by captainvideo View Post
    I had a 2016. Or whichever year they were 999 with a gig bag. The neck was too thin for me. But I really like the look of them, the balance, feel, sound, etc.
    Very thin but very stable I change out everything but tuners & TRC
    Ive never confused owning a bunch of high end gear with being some kind of a guitar player I'm a hack and I love guitars !

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