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    Re: True Historic ´59 Bavarian Makeover

    Quote Originally Posted by andy k View Post
    I'm amazed at the lengths we all go to get where we want.
    Gibson is just trying to keep up with our desires, but always seems to make a mess of it--as a company.
    There IS another aspect to this - and it is one where Gibson need take no blame whatsoever - but it is, nevertheless, a very potent force that we all deal with.
    In fact, it could be that rather than blame Gibson for the constant striving for better collectable instruments, we should, in fact, be blaming ourselves.


    Yes - us. The very people who view this site.


    Because, as well as musicians, we are also collectors.


    Now, if there is one thing that has changed the hobby of collecting - whatever the object of the obsession (and it IS an obsession) happens to be, then that thing is the Internet.


    20/30 years ago, you could be a collector - stamps, model trains, butterflies, whatever - and you almost existed in a vacuum. If you were lucky, you might have a local club where you could meet a few other obsessives, but otherwise, your collection would be pretty well a private thing, for you alone.


    But all that has now changed - the Internet means that, no matter how obscure your obsession might be, you can connect as often as you wish with practically every other like minded obsessive in the world - via a forum site like this.



    Let me elaborate. As well as being a "Gibsonhead", I also collect "Workwear".


    "Work what?", I hear you say......


    Here's what it is. There are guys out there who love the clothes worn by say, 1930's/40's American working folk. Leather, Denim, Shirts, Jackets, Jeans, Overalls - all are avidly collected.
    There are still original pieces to be had, now at huge prices - folks constantly scour ebay and other sites, along with charity shops, looking far a "find". Modern repos are now produced, and the market has largely been cornered by the Japanese, although US companies are fighting back - even pricing the stuff at the same eye-watering prices as the Japs.


    Jap produced books about the best original clothes sell out as soon as they appear - even though they are in Japanese - the pics are so good.


    US Army Air Force WW2 Leather Jackets are particularly prized. The originals were cheaply churned out in their 100s during the war, but now, folks will pay upwards of $2500 for a stitch-for-stitch repro, and wait 2 years for it to be made.

    Notice the similarities in the hobby? Completely different products - but exactly the same passion.


    Why? Very simple - as soon as you acquire the latest, very best bit of kit - you can take a pic of it, and post it on the Forum site of your choice, knowing full well that your post will be followed by lots of "Excellent", "Good score", and so on.....

    Instead of "Play it in good health", you get "Wear it in good health". Instead of "Burst Porn", we get "Type 2 Porn" (that's a Denim jacket made by Levis from the 30's until 1963), or "A2 Porn" (the flying jackets I mentioned....)

    Guys will pay $900 for a pair of jeans, that to you would look like any other pair of jeans, but he knows that the "details" are SO much better....

    I have a room full of stuff - probably 40 or 50 Jackets, too many shirts to count, dozens of pairs of Jeans, and I can tell you why each and every one is special, but folks down at my local alehouse just think I wear casual gear.

    There is even a guy in Austria called Florian who makes fabulous 19th Century shirts and jackets! Surely not the same guy?!

    Does all this sound a little familiar?

    Well, it is all just what guys do. We have hobbies. But those hobbies are SO much more intense with the advent of the Web. The whole thing is fuelled by the web.
    Even Joe B posts videos of his collection.

    And the first thing we do with a makeover is post it one the Forum (I'm not knocking that - I'd do just the same).


    So, maybe Gibson is just filling a need that WE demonstrate. Just like the guy who hand-makes the best Leather Flying Jackets in the world.....


    No one to blame but ourselves......
    Last edited by majorminor; 02-15-17 at 06:38 PM.

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    Re: True Historic ´59 Bavarian Makeover

    Are you the guys biddin' on my gotchies?

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    Re: True Historic ´59 Bavarian Makeover

    Majorminor--

    Is it part of the "workwear" collecting culture to still call Japanese people Japs? Pretty sure that's not all that cool if you are at least the one Japanese person reading this thread.

    and renderit I'm bidding on your vintage hand stitched lederhosen tidy whities

  4. #124

    Re: True Historic ´59 Bavarian Makeover

    Quote Originally Posted by Pellman73 View Post
    Majorminor--

    Is it part of the "workwear" collecting culture to still call Japanese people Japs? Pretty sure that's not all that cool if you are at least the one Japanese person reading this thread.
    If you find that offensive, then I apologise. No offence was intended.

    It is surely just a shortening of the word - if you called me a "brit", I would not be offended, but maybe I look less for offence.

    If you called an Australian an "ozzy" is that so bad? They refer to their homeland as Oz, after all.

    I have a German friend on a forum who uses the name "kraut" as his forum name - I guess he is being offensive to himself......

    Whatever....

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    Re: True Historic ´59 Bavarian Makeover

    help help I'm being offended.

    If people only spent their money on stuff they needed, their wouldn't be much of an economy.

    For this thread, fortunately I'm very happy with relatively inexpensive guitars. I personally couldn't imagine dismantling a new True Historic (purchased at any price) as the assembly and finish, as flawed as it apparently is, has value. But if that is what makes the OP happy, more power to him. Live and let live.

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    Re: True Historic ´59 Bavarian Makeover

    Today Florian started with the top carve.
    Can't wait to see the finished result!










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    Re: True Historic ´59 Bavarian Makeover

    messing with the top carve after it has come from Gibson Custom will this not affect TONE ?

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    Re: True Historic ´59 Bavarian Makeover

    Quote Originally Posted by El Gringo View Post
    messing with the top carve after it has come from Gibson Custom will this not affect TONE ?
    It might change the tone a bit. It is CNC Carved at the factory, so a little hand carving might change it a bit to the better.
    First and foremost, it will make the top carve look like an original '59.
    Last edited by Orreman; 02-16-17 at 10:24 AM.

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    Re: True Historic ´59 Bavarian Makeover

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    Re: True Historic ´59 Bavarian Makeover

    Quote Originally Posted by white room View Post
    I'm no expert luthier (or even a decent hack) or claim to fully know what I'm talking about sometimes, but Gibson's process of gluing the fretboard to the neck before gluing the neck to the body always struck me as kind of a 'cart before the horse sort of thing'.

    It just seems to me that you would want to ensure that the tenon is firmly seated in the pocket and the maple top and top of the tenon are sanded nice and flush with each other before gluing the fretboard onto the neck.

    From what I am seeing in these photos, I've got to wonder if down the line, the fretbord isn't going to eventually ramp up in the neck joint area.
    As soon as I saw that gap, I had to instantly wonder if this is where those dreaded "dead" spots on the fingerboard come from that you occasionally experience with guitars?

    A cool thread though and that is going to be one really gorgeous guitar when its all done. Here's to your guitar turning out to be everything you hope it will be Orreman!

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    Re: True Historic ´59 Bavarian Makeover

    When I saw "New correct top carve. The TH carve is much flatter than a real 59", in the original post, I thought "So how will he do that? How can you add wood that is not there?"

    It looks now like all he is doing is making the outer surfaces flatter in order to emphasize the hump in the middle.

    Is that it?

    Looking at my 2004 CR4, it already has those flat areas

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    Re: True Historic ´59 Bavarian Makeover

    Quote Originally Posted by majorminor View Post
    When I saw "New correct top carve. The TH carve is much flatter than a real 59", in the original post, I thought "So how will he do that? How can you add wood that is not there?"

    It looks now like all he is doing is making the outer surfaces flatter in order to emphasize the hump in the middle.

    Is that it?

    Looking at my 2004 CR4, it already has those flat areas
    That's what HM does, too.

  13. #133

    Re: True Historic ´59 Bavarian Makeover

    Quote Originally Posted by asapmaz View Post
    That's what HM does, too.
    So "makeover" means less maple? I'm underwhelmed....

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    Re: True Historic ´59 Bavarian Makeover

    Quote Originally Posted by majorminor View Post
    So "makeover" means less maple? I'm underwhelmed....
    Great thread... please crap elsewhere (with gentle effect) :-)

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    Re: True Historic ´59 Bavarian Makeover

    Quote Originally Posted by DoubleBoogie View Post
    A cool thread though and that is going to be one really gorgeous guitar when its all done. Here's to your guitar turning out to be everything you hope it will be Orreman!
    +1000, if I had the cash I would like a Gibson guitar that has had the hands of a master craftsman fine tuning it to get it as close to 50's specs as possible. I don't have that kind of cash, so I live vicariously through those who do, and I love to follow these Bavarian and HM makeover threads.

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    Re: True Historic ´59 Bavarian Makeover

    Quote Originally Posted by Pellman73 View Post
    Majorminor--

    Is it part of the "workwear" collecting culture to still call Japanese people Japs? Pretty sure that's not all that cool if you are at least the one Japanese person reading this thread.

    and renderit I'm bidding on your vintage hand stitched lederhosen tidy whities
    PC speech police coming to your front door.
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    Re: True Historic ´59 Bavarian Makeover

    "You'd need to remove a shit-ton more wood than what a "normal" reshape would remove in order to have any sonic difference.

    Making the neck pocket and fingerboard to neck joints tighter and with different flies should make an easily noticed difference.

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    Re: True Historic ´59 Bavarian Makeover

    He's scraping in a slight "dish" around the edge, a miniscule amount of wood. AVH correct feature of most vintage top carves.

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    Re: True Historic ´59 Bavarian Makeover

    Quote Originally Posted by marshall1987 View Post
    PC speech police coming to your front door.
    Why is it that some folk never read the original text before chiming in with a comment on a comment by someone else?

    Come on then, wise guy - show me where I referred to Japanese people as Japs?

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    Re: True Historic ´59 Bavarian Makeover

    Damn, sanding a couple of millimeters from the flat part of the top affects tone? There's a lot of folks trying to bash this thread from the start, but now it's getting ridiculous

    Good luck and may this guitar be that one!

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    Re: True Historic ´59 Bavarian Makeover

    Quote Originally Posted by Tarcisioo View Post
    Damn, sanding a couple of millimeters from the flat part of the top affects tone? There's a lot of folks trying to bash this thread from the start, but now it's getting ridiculous

    Good luck and may this guitar be that one!
    No, I don't saying that the carving of the top will improve the tone of the guitar. But, I belive that all the things that Florian is doing ,no matter big or small will affect the tone in the end.
    The top carve is for 99.990% a estethical improvement, the rest might be tone
    This makeover isn't just about tone. It's also of course about the looks.
    I want it to be as authentic as possible.
    Last edited by Orreman; 02-16-17 at 08:26 PM.

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    Re: True Historic ´59 Bavarian Makeover

    Quote Originally Posted by Orreman View Post
    No, I don't saying that the carving of the top will improve the tone of the guitar. But, I belive that all the things that Florian is doing ,no matter big or small will affect the tone in the end.
    The top carve is for 99.990% a estethical improvement, the rest might be tone
    This makeover isn't just about tone. It's also of course about the looks.
    I want it to be as authentical as possible.

    I do get what you're doing, and I totally support you. I just don't get all these guys asking why are you doing this, why are you doing that, if changin the carve won't change the tone...

    It's not about the tone. It's never just about tone. Nobody spends 200k on a guitar just about the tone. It's all about the experience

    And I bet you're having a hell of an experience seeing those pictures, dreaming of when it gets home...

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    Re: True Historic ´59 Bavarian Makeover

    Quote Originally Posted by majorminor View Post
    Why is it that some folk never read the original text before chiming in with a comment on a comment by someone else?

    Come on then, wise guy - show me where I referred to Japanese people as Japs?
    Are you Pelman 73? That's what I thought......you're not the PC speech police. It is unwise to jump to conclusions.

    But you're right about one thing..... I am a wise man.
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    Re: True Historic ´59 Bavarian Makeover

    Quote Originally Posted by Orreman View Post
    Today Florian started with the top carve.
    Can't wait to see the finished result!










    Might just be an optical illusion but if you are going for a more vintage carve the top deck looks to be too curved to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DoubleBoogie View Post
    As soon as I saw that gap, I had to instantly wonder if this is where those dreaded "dead" spots on the fingerboard come from that you occasionally experience with guitars?
    You know, I was being facetious talking about Billy Gibbon's guitars with chambered necks, just to make the point that a little mm air gap under the fretboard would likely not make a difference, but you are making an intriguing point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marshall1987 View Post
    Are you Pelman 73? That's what I thought......you're not the PC speech police. It is unwise to jump to conclusions.

    But you're right about one thing..... I am a wise man.
    PC police? That's a first for me. the only thing that offends me is the concept of being offended because someone is politically incorrect.

    I do think, however, there is a difference between something being un-PC (like saying 'is this rug Oriental') and a derogatory term (like Jap). but these lines blur I'm sure. words are words-- but it is the spirit behind those words and the intention that matters. I don't think majorminor meant anything derogatory. But I also do not think there is any place for the use of racial slurs or derogatory terms here that could be construed as offensive. Thats not being 'PC'. Thats just being kind and respectful to your fellow man.

    I've been doing some reading on this. Turns out, as Majorminor pointed out, its not really considered a derogatory term in GB as much as it is here. maybe residual anti-japanese sentiments from WWII pearl harbor, iwojima-- the like made it more so in the states. seems its used much more liberally across the pond.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jap

    For some reason I felt the need to take up for some imaginary japanese person I thought could be reading this thread and might take offense. why? I have no idea.

    and Marshall1987--- I saw you are a descendent of the mccoys. that is fascinating (I was trying to figure out what your avatar was) of course I certainly don't want to get in any major feuds with you sir. north carolina is close-- and my family is small and would be easily wiped out by the likes of your clan.

    please lets get back to taking about this guitar rebuild. I regret my snarky post which has created this mess because I'm not here to really get involved with these kinds of discussions. I'm here to learn about les paul guitars and be with people who share my passion for them.

    majorminor I'm buying you a virtual pint and I hope you will drink w me.


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    Re: True Historic ´59 Bavarian Makeover

    Here´s some before pics of the top carve.
    Pictures of the new carve will be up soon






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    I love Germany- und mag ich Bavaria am bestens!
    Yes I gave him some grief about the conversion- but as an HM owner- I cannot deny the end result feels better.
    Now if you were in one of those Marvel movies the actress would pick up the modified LP and the camera would warp into her arm, and the bluish/white energy impulse would course through her hand, into her arm, through the shoulder, past a gangle of arteries in her neck, and into her brain.
    And if that actress was Big Al the humidity in certain parts would go up- way up- if ya follow....
    Neck feels sexy-carve feels sexy- finish feels sexy- gouges in said finish feel sexy. Look is undeniably sexy- the colors are SO pleasing and realistic.
    And the sound is better. There are nuances that weren't there before.
    And for a few months (about 18 in my case) it keeps getting "better".
    I was just told face-to-face by a well known remaker that his shop could do that to any long tenon guitar. And I am conservative with money to the point of being cheap- that's all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pellman73 View Post
    majorminor I'm buying you a virtual pint and I hope you will drink w me.

    Sounds good to me!

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    Re: True Historic ´59 Bavarian Makeover

    And here is the new top carve!!!! I'm super excited about this! I looks amazing!
    What do you guys think?

    The small marks here and there are from old aging and will be removed in the sanding process.










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    German craftsmanship is without equal. This make over project has got me thinking about my tax refund due.

    and

    Ja, ich bin ein Berliner from way back.... 1961-1964.
    Last edited by marshall1987; 02-17-17 at 06:59 PM.
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    I think this instrument will look fabulous when it is done, and I am sure that the investment you are putting into it will be well worth it, and will pay you back on the pleasure the thing will be to own and play.

    Having said that, I really don't get the "more real" shape of the top.

    In your first post, you talked of "New correct top carve. The TH carve is much flatter than a real 59". Now maybe I interpreted that incorrectly. The second sentence sounded to me as if (to be accurate) that the archtop profile needed to be higher.

    In reality, the top of the arch is exactly the same (as it has to be), but the larger flatter area around it makes it look higher. And that is not really the same thing....

    On his site, Florian describes it slightly differently - he says "recarve the top to vintage correct contours" - which is a less specific description.

    Sadly, the pictures on his site, whilst being high res, are almost all stretched out of proportion, so it is simply impossible to see what he means (a shame he doesn't apply his same attention to detail with his web site ).

    It is, AFAIK, fairly well known that original 50's instruments had the tops shaped by hand, using a stationary belt sander, by guys who "just knew" what shape to make them. In reality, that effectively meant that no 2 were exactly the same.

    I've must say that I've had a number of LPs through my hands, and every one seemed a little different. On the very old ones I've seen, some do indeed have fat tops, but none have had such flat edges.

    An interesting thing is that Florian makes his own Propeller model - almost a miniature LP, and looking at the pics of that (albeit warped pics!) it does not appear to have anything like the large areas of flat that have been carved into the Les Paul.

    I wonder why?

    At the end of the day, I guess the makeover guys want their remodels to really "pop" on first sight - and I guess an over exaggerated top carve will do just that.

    But that aside, I am sure we are gonna see some better installments of this saga - I look forward to seeing what I am sure will be a great finished product.
    Last edited by majorminor; 02-17-17 at 04:41 PM.

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    That looks fantastic! Nice work florian!

    I love this thread,.........at least the pics and posts about The guitar.

    Keep those updates flowing!

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    Quote Originally Posted by zacknorton View Post
    That looks fantastic! Nice work florian!

    I love this thread,.........at least the pics and posts about The guitar.

    Keep those updates flowing!
    This!! I come everyday to watch this thread and most of the times all we get is some BS unrelated to the guitar

    I mean, speech police? PM mods if you're offended, create a new thread at the Backstage, but just don't keep derailing this thread!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tarcisioo View Post
    This!! I come everyday to watch this thread and most of the times all we get is some BS unrelated to the guitar

    I mean, speech police? PM mods if you're offended, create a new thread at the Backstage, but just don't keep derailing this thread!
    Come on man !!! I love how everyone tells you how to spend your money around here..... Like a plural marriage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by white room View Post
    I'm no expert luthier (or even a decent hack) or claim to fully know what I'm talking about sometimes, but Gibson's process of gluing the fretboard to the neck before gluing the neck to the body always struck me as kind of a 'cart before the horse sort of thing'.

    It just seems to me that you would want to ensure that the tenon is firmly seated in the pocket and the maple top and top of the tenon are sanded nice and flush with each other before gluing the fretboard onto the neck.

    From what I am seeing in these photos, I've got to wonder if down the line, the fretbord isn't going to eventually ramp up in the neck joint area.
    The method Gibson uses to fit the necks to the body insuring a 4o pitch angle requires that the completed neck assembly be glued in as one piece. It would be very difficult, if not be impossible, to insure a 4o final neck angle if the fingerboard was glued in afterwards.
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    Quote Originally Posted by marshall1987 View Post
    The method Gibson uses to fit the necks to the body insuring a 4o pitch angle requires that the completed neck assembly be glued in as one piece. It would be very difficult, if not be impossible, to insure a 4o final neck angle if the fingerboard was glued in afterwards.
    I'm taking this quote directly from an excellent Japanese book called 'The Gibson', English translation.

    In a chapter called,'construction of the original model'

    ''Point 2
    Glued fingerboard

    One of the most treasured qualities of the original Les Paul is long sustain.
    The way Gibson achieved this was to use very dense woods and to eliminate all unnecessary vibrations.
    In general, the fingerboard is glued to the neck before the neck is joined to the body.
    But Gibson chose a different method for the the Les Paul.
    The order of construction is as follows,
    1, Join the neck to the body.
    2, Plane and clean the surface on which the fingerboard is attached.
    3, Glue the fingerboard onto the neck and body (see diag.4)
    Locating pins and numerous clamps are necessary for this operation, but it results in a strong rigid joint, no vibration and lots of sustain''

    in a later section, re:- 1975 model, ie. after the first attempts to recreate the Burst,

    '' The way the fingerboard was glued on to the neck was changed at that time.
    A two pointed plastic dab (?????) was inserted between the neck and fingerboard to prevent them from sliding off each other when glued together''

    ''the neck joint got smaller, so small that the neck pocket was completely covered by the fingerboard.
    Most of the fingerboards were not glued to the body because they were glued to the neck before being joined to the body.
    A lot of them have a space between the fingerboard and the top and they buzz in the high positions''

    '' These structural features are on all the Les Paul models with maple tops from the Norlin period''

    If you look at any build thread, or neck restoration, which I often do, you will see the general method of BUILDING a Les Paul style instrument involves fitting the neck to the body-before the fretboard is attached, which allows the joint to be made tightly.
    usually these parts are test fit, then the fretboard can be attached-with the knowledge that the joint is tight.

    the method of gluing fretboard to neck-before neck to body relies on tight machining tolerances, and expert adjustments-but allows no visual checking of neck / body joint.

    Neck angle, is designed in--so its not a concern for a good neck joint.

    It looks to me like methods that were started in the Norlin era, for ease of manufacture have simply been carried on .
    I'm Not suggesting this is wrong--Gibson is a massive operation, and CNC machinery allows for tight tolerances, but I'm thinking that when the OP and Florian come to re-attach that neck to that body, they will have a fairly loose joint-before its glued--but i know Florians a genius, I've watched his make-overs before.

    check out this restoration from the other place, ( Not Florians work though )which shows a 55 without its fretboard for a few shots---spot any dowels there???

    http://www.mylespaul.com/forums/showthread.php?t=382928

    Good luck with the make-over OP, its going great, and new carve looks fantastic.

    cheers guys
    andy k

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    NICE top Orreman!
    From what i see it reminds me a lot of the top carves i've seen on our favourite vintage Gibson books!
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    Re: True Historic ´59 Bavarian Makeover

    the new carve does look delicious

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    Quote Originally Posted by RocknRollShakeUp View Post
    You know, I was being facetious talking about Billy Gibbon's guitars with chambered necks, just to make the point that a little mm air gap under the fretboard would likely not make a difference, but you are making an intriguing point.
    Something sure causes them to pop up here and there on guitars and it is something that will cause me to dump an instrument quickly. One of the worst guitars for having a dead spot that I ever picked up was a beautiful butterscotch Fender Tele 52 reissue. There was a range of frets around 12-14 that had no ring and virtually no sustain on the high e and b strings. Four frets lower on the neck and the guitar rang like a bell with those two strings.

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