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    Eric's Bluesbreaker Marshall Combo: new pictures.

    Just found these two pics of the Marshall combo he used in the Bluesbreakers. Yeah, that's Eric behind Hughie Flint's kit! The only *color* picture I've ever seen of that group while Eric was in it.



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    Re: Eric's Bluesbreaker Marshall Combo: new pictures.

    From Eel Pie I believe.

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    Re: Eric's Bluesbreaker Marshall Combo: new pictures.

    The top colour's a bit darker than I would have thought.. Cool! I guess Gibson didn't really get close on the reissues.. Love the amp! Someone, somewhere has a really special amp and probably doesn't even realize it..
    Let's see if we can locate the amp!!

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    Re: Eric's Bluesbreaker Marshall Combo: new pictures.

    Is it me, or does it look like it might be missing the logo in the first pic?

    Edit: on second thought, looking at the studio photos maybe the logo was small enough to be hidden behind his leg, even if EC was a smaller guy.

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    Re: Eric's Bluesbreaker Marshall Combo: new pictures.

    Quote Originally Posted by Etosser View Post
    Is it me, or does it look like it might be missing the logo in the first pic?
    Yeah, and there's a very small chance to my mind that a Trem JTM45 chassis would fit into that amp. It's classic 1X12 18 watt shape....other than the top section being too narrow for the "standards spec".
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    Re: Eric's Bluesbreaker Marshall Combo: new pictures.

    Thanks for posting these! What say the experts about the dimensions of the amp based on the first photo? It's a reasonably straight on photo. Do the ratios between width and height as well as the height of the upper panel tell you anything? Is it really a one-off made to fit in Clapton's car, as has been said (and which I kind of sort of believe)?

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    Re: Eric's Bluesbreaker Marshall Combo: new pictures.

    You posted while I was typing, John. It looks too big for a 1x12 18W to my eyes. But you are the expert on that particular issue, no doubt.

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    Re: Eric's Bluesbreaker Marshall Combo: new pictures.

    Well, the relative dimensions look like an 18 shape, but it's not like any other 18 front panel I've seen. The cab doesn't look wide enough, relative to height, to have 8 knobs. If there's a JTM45 in there I really doubt it's a Trem chassis.

    I'm not sure it's the same amps in both photos.

    Again, who the hell knows.........
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    Re: Eric's Bluesbreaker Marshall Combo: new pictures.

    Quote Originally Posted by Etosser View Post
    Is it me, or does it look like it might be missing the logo in the first pic?

    Edit: on second thought, looking at the studio photos maybe the logo was small enough to be hidden behind his leg, even if EC was a smaller guy.

    Yep that 6" logo is easily hidden with your leg in front.
    And it looks like Beano had a good bit of colour around it

    Thanks mistersnappy for posting.

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    Re: Eric's Bluesbreaker Marshall Combo: new pictures.

    Quote Originally Posted by shakti View Post
    Is it really a one-off made to fit in Clapton's car, as has been said (and which I kind of sort of believe)?
    If it was made for him to fit his car, I'm sure they could have made something more compact than that one as it looks like a big beast to me given the proportions in the photo. That looks like a 2 x 12 to me but I'm no expert on these things.

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    Re: Eric's Bluesbreaker Marshall Combo: new pictures.

    It's so hard to tell, but you can get some cues from the amps stacked to the left, which are made by Burns.
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    Re: Eric's Bluesbreaker Marshall Combo: new pictures.

    Amazing pictures! Pure history.. love it

    Thanks for posting

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    Re: Eric's Bluesbreaker Marshall Combo: new pictures.

    Contributing absolutely nothing new to the thread; I don't think they're the same amp either.

    Using the bass drum as a size reference, it's not the biggest amp in the world.
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    Re: Eric's Bluesbreaker Marshall Combo: new pictures.

    Somewhere on YT is a british blues documentary with film footage of Clapton with the BB amp. It revealed that the amp did indeed have a JTM45 Tremolo chassis - clearly showed eight knobs.

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    Re: Eric's Bluesbreaker Marshall Combo: new pictures.

    Quote Originally Posted by The Real MC View Post
    Somewhere on YT is a british blues documentary with film footage of Clapton with the BB amp. It revealed that the amp did indeed have a JTM45 Tremolo chassis - clearly showed eight knobs.
    Now that's something I'd love to see! Anyone have a link?

    Curious why you guys think it's not the same amp in both photos - while there's not much to clearly say it is, nothing about the second photos looks off to me...looks like the same dimensions to my eyes.

    Also, just judging by the size of the cab I don't think it's hard to imagine a JTM45 in there. Trem chassis I agree about - that would be a stretch but maybe not impossible. But regular 6 knob chassis would work, I think. If we consider that Clapton had owned a JTM45 previously, which was a 6 knob version, it wouldn't be unthinkable that he asked for the same that he had used, only in a combo package made reasonably compact to fit in his car. The original style I combo is a rather big beast and not very practical as far as combos go.

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    Re: Eric's Bluesbreaker Marshall Combo: new pictures.

    I think the top panel in the black and white photo is deeper than the colour one.

    But my eyes have been known to play tricks on me...frequently..
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    Re: Eric's Bluesbreaker Marshall Combo: new pictures.

    Quote Originally Posted by F-Hole View Post
    From Eel Pie I believe.

    Looks like the Flamingo to me. No mural.

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    Re: Eric's Bluesbreaker Marshall Combo: new pictures.

    Quote Originally Posted by shakti View Post
    Now that's something I'd love to see! Anyone have a link?
    +1
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    Re: Eric's Bluesbreaker Marshall Combo: new pictures.

    Quote Originally Posted by Xpensive Wino View Post
    Looks like the Flamingo to me. No mural.
    From this gig, perhaps? (Thanks to Mj333, via the Beano Burst folder thread)

    http://i1236.photobucket.com/albums/...lamlive566.jpg
    http://i1236.photobucket.com/albums/...bbflamlive.jpg

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    Re: Eric's Bluesbreaker Marshall Combo: new pictures.

    Quote Originally Posted by Etosser View Post
    From this gig, perhaps? (Thanks to Mj333, via the Beano Burst folder thread)

    http://i1236.photobucket.com/albums/...lamlive566.jpg
    http://i1236.photobucket.com/albums/...bbflamlive.jpg



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    Re: Eric's Bluesbreaker Marshall Combo: new pictures.

    Quote Originally Posted by Etosser View Post
    From this gig, perhaps? (Thanks to Mj333, via the Beano Burst folder thread)

    http://i1236.photobucket.com/albums/...lamlive566.jpg
    http://i1236.photobucket.com/albums/...bbflamlive.jpg

    Same venue, but EC's muttonchops don't look as beefy in the OP pic.

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    Re: Eric's Bluesbreaker Marshall Combo: new pictures.

    Quote Originally Posted by Etosser View Post
    From this gig, perhaps? (Thanks to Mj333, via the Beano Burst folder thread)

    http://i1236.photobucket.com/albums/...lamlive566.jpg
    http://i1236.photobucket.com/albums/...bbflamlive.jpg
    Yeah. Ive never seen a stage like that. Pretty freaky.
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    Re: Eric's Bluesbreaker Marshall Combo: new pictures.

    Quote Originally Posted by mistersnappy View Post
    Yeah. Ive never seen a stage like that. Pretty freaky.
    Have you ever played any club gigs in the U.K.? That stage is pretty typical of a club or a pub.

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    Re: Eric's Bluesbreaker Marshall Combo: new pictures.

    Quote Originally Posted by TM1 View Post
    Have you ever played any club gigs in the U.K.? That stage is pretty typical of a club or a pub.
    Haven't had the pleasure. With the curved ceiling?
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    Re: Eric's Bluesbreaker Marshall Combo: new pictures.

    Quote Originally Posted by mistersnappy View Post
    Just found these two pics of the Marshall combo he used in the Bluesbreakers. Yeah, that's Eric behind Hughie Flint's kit! The only *color* picture I've ever seen of that group while Eric was in it.



    That color pic is fantastic. It confirms what Eric told me in 2005...that his amp was a "one-off" that Jim made for him to fit in the trunk (boot) of his car. The dimensions clearly aren't the same as a 2-12 18 watt or a style 2 BB combo.
    It looks closer to a Style 1 size cab, but with a flat front, and a tad narrower....

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    Re: Eric's Bluesbreaker Marshall Combo: new pictures.

    Quote Originally Posted by mistersnappy View Post
    With the curved ceiling?
    Yep, I can think of four London basement clubs with vaulted ceilings off the top of my head. There were dozens more open back in the day.
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    Re: Eric's Bluesbreaker Marshall Combo: new pictures.

    Quote Originally Posted by The Real MC View Post
    Somewhere on YT is a british blues documentary with film footage of Clapton with the BB amp. It revealed that the amp did indeed have a JTM45 Tremolo chassis - clearly showed eight knobs.
    Anyone care to dig this out? I would have thought that if this footage was known it would have been discussed more. Footage clear enough to show eight knobs on Clapton's amp would surely also be able to reveal more about the amp to experts?

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    Re: Eric's Bluesbreaker Marshall Combo: new pictures.

    Quote Originally Posted by shakti View Post
    Anyone care to dig this out? I would have thought that if this footage was known it would have been discussed more. Footage clear enough to show eight knobs on Clapton's amp would surely also be able to reveal more about the amp to experts?

    +1

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    Re: Eric's Bluesbreaker Marshall Combo: new pictures.

    IF Clapton's knee measures somewhere near 4 1/2-5 inches across, then that cab is about 27-30" wide, maybe? The top panel is 5-6 inches with the overall height about 22 1/2 - 25"?? I am thinking that the smaller numbers are closer to correct, perhaps.
    Does that fit into any known range for some Marshall of that time, FHole?
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    Re: Eric's Bluesbreaker Marshall Combo: new pictures.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wally View Post
    IF Clapton's knee measures somewhere near 4 1/2-5 inches across, then that cab is about 27-30" wide, maybe? The top panel is 5-6 inches with the overall height about 22 1/2 - 25"?? I am thinking that the smaller numbers are closer to correct, perhaps.
    Does that fit into any known range for some Marshall of that time, FHole?
    My knee measures 4.35" across, but I'm 5'9" and weigh 170 lbs. I think Eric in those days was probably about the same height but weighed around 135 lbs. I wouldn't think his knee would be any wider that 3.75" or so.. He could be a bit shorter back in the day.

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    Re: Eric's Bluesbreaker Marshall Combo: new pictures.

    Are all bass drums the same diameter? If so it should be quite straightforward to extrapolate an exact measurement of the cab from that, both pictures show enough detail of the top and bottom of the cab to make an accurate scaled measurement.
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    Re: Eric's Bluesbreaker Marshall Combo: new pictures.

    Quote Originally Posted by ourmaninthenorth View Post
    Are all bass drums the same diameter?
    In a word........no.

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    Re: Eric's Bluesbreaker Marshall Combo: new pictures.

    I found a few seconds of footage, but none of the amp. Skip to 13:30 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ww2wbP0e88o

    Edit - that footage could early Cream era, going by his rings and the guitar having pickup covers?
    Last edited by Stu; 08-03-16 at 05:05 AM.

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    Re: Eric's Bluesbreaker Marshall Combo: new pictures.

    Quote Originally Posted by Stu View Post
    I found a few seconds of footage, but none of the amp. Skip to 13:30 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ww2wbP0e88o

    Edit - that footage could early Cream era, going by his rings and the guitar having pickup covers?
    That footage was shot in late '65 I believe. Def. Bluesbreakers-era. Remember, that Les Paul was stolen during Cream's rehearsals in July '66.

    I'd sure like to see some footage of Clappo with Mayall but, honestly, I don't think it exists.
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    Re: Eric's Bluesbreaker Marshall Combo: new pictures.

    I think that the footage would have been earlier than late '65 mistersnappy and pre the Greek sojourn.......just going from his hair.......my 2c worth.
    What do you reckon?

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    Re: Eric's Bluesbreaker Marshall Combo: new pictures.

    Clapton doesn't look like a very big guy, I think he would have had a pretty hard time putting a JTM45 combo into and out of a car trunk with a single handle on top. Don't they weigh around 80 pounds? Makes me wonder if it was an 18 watt he was using.

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    Re: Eric's Bluesbreaker Marshall Combo: new pictures.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tim View Post
    Clapton doesn't look like a very big guy, I think he would have had a pretty hard time putting a JTM45 combo into and out of a car trunk with a single handle on top. Don't they weigh around 80 pounds? Makes me wonder if it was an 18 watt he was using.
    Hi Tim, that point was debated here in another thread some years ago and the conclusion was that it was a 1962 combo, albeit a one off custom made one for Eric(taken from the pic on the back of the Beano album and some other pics also). All the usual suspects were involved F-Hole et al.

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    Re: Eric's Bluesbreaker Marshall Combo: new pictures.

    OK, I must have missed that, thanks!

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    Re: Eric's Bluesbreaker Marshall Combo: new pictures.

    I don't think Marshall made alot with the Style #2 cabinet. I've seen and played considerably more Style #1's and maybe about 4 Style @2's. I've also seen Style #2 combo's from late 1966. I have a chassis for a Style #1 here at present and the owner has the cab with him in Reno. The Chassis need a tweak on a couple of things. Great sounding amp!!

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    Re: Eric's Bluesbreaker Marshall Combo: new pictures.

    Quote Originally Posted by goldtop0 View Post
    I think that the footage would have been earlier than late '65 mistersnappy and pre the Greek sojourn.......just going from his hair.......my 2c worth.
    What do you reckon?
    Perhaps. That footage is discussed in the Eric Clapton and the British Blues book, I just don't remember what the date was. I have the book but its packed away somewhere right now.
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