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Pellman73

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Ok, one more for today. Here's a beautiful EDS-1275 with a flame maple top (and back), finished in a cool looking tobacco / honey burst. It has gold hardware, tortoise shell pickguards, and ivory truss rod covers.

Where is she now??


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SOOO KILLER!!!!
 

Strings Jr.

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My buddy has two Reissues. He would love to get the background but these might be too early.
80441566 with code 1750
82191550 with code 2798

Thank you.

I don't have those numbers, but they appear to be Heritage 80's.

1750 should be a quilt top Elite with an ebony board. 2798 a Standard with flame top and rosewood board.
 

wmachine

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I think Gibson has taken “special orders” for as long as they’ve been making guitars.
The E-2’s were built in Kalamazoo, same as the V-2. I would say finding any documentation on a guitar that old, especially from Kalamazoo, would be a VERY long shot.
Probably be a good idea to start a new thread about your guitar to explain these anomalies and why you think they are factory. There are people here that know way more about these than me. One thing I can tell you, I didn’t see any Kahler vibrolas at Gibson until 1983.

Good luck!

New thread started!
https://www.lespaulforum.com/forum/showthread.php?210712-1979-Gibson-Explorer-E2-custom-or-customized-or-both
 

Carter Hall

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I have an 80 LP Hertitage Standard 80 marked “RL 7-21-80” under the truss rod cover and marked “ star FL + 80” in the control cavity. Great guitar that made its way up to Canada. Code # is 0148.
 

Strings Jr.

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I have an 80 LP Hertitage Standard 80 marked “RL 7-21-80” under the truss rod cover and marked “ star FL + 80” in the control cavity. Great guitar that made its way up to Canada. Code # is 0148.
Very cool :dude:

I would love to see the pics!!
 

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Once in a while they will do an "over the top standard"- this is a case of that I believe. I had a RI 88 and 86 (in my avatar). The RI had a "purpler" back.
I should have kept them both, but then they would sit and not get played. We have a 3 guitar rule (electric BTW)- it seems to work and definitely keeps the peace.
 

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allentd, I have a similar situation. My number one Les Paul I have referred to as a 1987 prehistoric/standard. It is technically a standard. George Gruhn did an in hand inspection/appraisal in 1996 and he told me it was born to be a 1987 prehistoric but was downgraded to curly top standard, perhaps because the top was not book matched perfectly enough. But it has some characteristics of the prehistoric model, like thin cutaway binding, deep dish two piece top, and a very light weight. it is lighter than my telecaster. But it had chrome hardware and has a stamped serial number. I have modified it to my liking.





 

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Once in a while they will do an "over the top standard"- this is a case of that I believe. I had a RI 88 and 86 (in my avatar). The RI had a "purpler" back.
I should have kept them both, but then they would sit and not get played. We have a 3 guitar rule (electric BTW)- it seems to work and definitely keeps the peace.


Hi corpse. Thanks for the feedback. Those are a couple of beauties you had there.
 
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allentd

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allentd, I have a similar situation. My number one Les Paul I have referred to as a 1987 prehistoric/standard. It is technically a standard. George Gruhn did an in hand inspection/appraisal in 1996 and he told me it was born to be a 1987 prehistoric but was downgraded to curly top standard, perhaps because the top was not book matched perfectly enough. But it has some characteristics of the prehistoric model, like thin cutaway binding, deep dish two piece top, and a very light weight. it is lighter than my telecaster. But it had chrome hardware and has a stamped serial number. I have modified it to my liking.








Thanks for the quick response, Elmore. Your and Mr. Gruhn's opinions are consistent with the other opinions I've read here. Thanks for sharing. Great looking guitar you have!

FYI, the curly maple/flame in my guitar doesn't show well in the pictures I linked to my post. I may have to try again to do it justice.
 

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After reading all of the posts in this thread I have reached a conclusion that satisfies my curiosity. I believe my guitar is a 1985 Les Paul Standard that probably began life in the factory as a re-issue but during an inspection somewhere in the process was determined not to be worthy and was changed to a Standard. Perhaps the guy that ordered it requested these re-issue features but I struggle to believe it.





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Hello Sir. Thank you for your kind words, and welcome to the forum!
I agree with your assessment of your guitar. It’s a Standard with a reissue body. At some point in the process between body binding and neck fit, it was downgraded to a Standard. Your guitar was built less than a year before Henry took over, and Gibson was struggling, to say the least. Some reissues were shipped with tops that had a more “subtle” flame, and dealers began to complain. Therefore, the criteria for a reissue top became a little stronger. But the decision to downgrade wasn’t always the right decision. I have several entries in my ledger for Standards with “nice tops”, including this one built 19 days after yours.
Congrats on owning this great guitar. I hope this info helps answer your questions.

 

allentd

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Strings Jr.

Thank you for your feedback and insights. I really like my guitar and plan to keep it a long time.

allentd
 

Shocktop99

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I once saw a picture of a sunburst les paul with an explorer headstock. After doing some research i found this ad. And ive seen photos of ricky nielson playing one. So im not sure if it was his own custom thing or an actual run of les pauls with an explorer headstock. Either way, ive never seen one in person!


I typed in the address into the Wayback machine and found a little back story to this guitar!!!

84 Custom Explorer[SUP]®[/SUP] / Les Paul[SUP]®[/SUP]

Highly figured flame maple top with unusual Explorer headstock.


The story:

"I bought it in 1984 while a senior in high school (on a busboy's salary). I had wanted a Les Paul since I started playing and really wanted it to be a flame top, cherry sunburst. When I decided to take the plunge there was a case full of cherry Les Pauls at Rochester's House of Guitars (affectionately referred to in these parts as "The H.O.G.") but this one was the only one with a figured top.

Blaine said I could have anything in the case for $900. I decided on this one without even realizing it was a Custom Shop model with the Explorer headstock (not sure if he knew either). I gave him a hundred bucks or so (they used to let kids make payments) and made payments for the next 8 months before finally being able to bring her home. It was my only guitar for the next 10 years which was cool because we were playing shows in the late '80s when everyone else was playing pointy guitars with locking trems. I never gave her up though.

I never knew any details about it but I remember seeing Rick Nielsen of Cheap Trick playing one on TV. "Hey, that's my guitar!" Then, a co-worker remembered seeing the same model in an article in a 1998 20th Century Guitar magazine. According to the article, there were only about 10 or 12 of these made for Aldo Nova for use in music videos. The one Rick Nielsen has sat on consignment in Gruhn's shop in Nashville for some time with nobody interested in it. Of course that changed after Rick bought it!

The Guitar is pretty much the same as the early pre-historicreissues with nickel hardware and Tim Shaw PAFs but North of the nut things change drastically!"

- Guy


Photo: Guy Coniglio

 

Flogger

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I have an 80 LP Hertitage Standard 80 marked “RL 7-21-80” under the truss rod cover and marked “ star FL + 80” in the control cavity. Great guitar that made its way up to Canada. Code # is 0148.

Mine's 0138.
 

corpse

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HeyShocktop- we need pics. Great guitar from the sound of it.
 
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