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    Re: Where are they now...

    Quote Originally Posted by loduck View Post
    Thanks Strings. Have to admit my memory ain't what it used to be. I have heard so many rumors surrounding the Spotlights. Like "they weren't a Custom Shop build", the wood was actually "left over from the 50's in the Kalamzoo plant", there might have been "more than 211 built", ......heard all kinds of crazy stuff, ya just never know whats true unless someone that was there speaks it. Thanks for all your great info.
    I hate to steer too far off topic from this thread, but I do like talking about Spotlights.
    True, I was there, but I don't have all the facts. Maybe some of the facts, but not all of them.

    "They weren't a Custom Shop build"

    True. There was no Custom Shop at that time.
    They came down the line right along side regular production.

    "The wood was actually left over from the 50's"

    IMO, highly unlikely. My belief is the maple was left over from
    the Heritage Series Standards and Elites.

    "There might have been more than 211 built"

    I don't know where the 211 number came from, but this is what I can tell you.
    I built serial number 83 210 in March '84. I also built serial number 84 009
    in June '84 which leads me to believe there are other 84 xxx serial numbers
    out there. Where are they now...

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    Re: Where are they now...

    By chance did you ever work on any of the Firebrands from the early '80's?

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    Thanx so much Strings for shedding some light and truth on the Spotlight series. You are da man! The following quote came from Vintage guitar magazine. That’s where the 211 came from. “Walter Carter, former historian for Gibson, notes that Gibson’s records indicate Spotlight Special serial numbers up to 211, so it was indeed a limited edition.”
    "Do not meddle in the affairs of Dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup."

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    Here's my Dad with a sweet DC Jr.
    My notes say the color is "Eerie Blue".



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    Re: Where are they now...

    Hello! I have this 1979 Les paul custom, Nashville made, and i was wondering if it was you! S/N : 73039525
    This a photo from a show i played last saturday, i don't have a good photo on my google drive at the moment


    Thank you sir!!
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    Hello! I have this 1979 Les paul custom, Nashville made, and i was wondering if it was you! S/N : 73039525


    Thank you sir!!
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    Sorry, didn't see that number in my records.
    Nice guitar!

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    Hi

    I found out about this thread on The Fretboard UK guitar forum. I wonder if you can help me. I have a Gibson Flying V2 in Red Sparkle. The serial number is 82830006 and from this I have discovered it was built at the Kalamazoo Plant on October 9th, 1980. I have also gleaned, I think that the body is a maple-walnut-maple-walnut-maple sandwich. I have read all I can find on V2s but would be fascinated to learn more.



    I wonder if you are able to help me? Thanks very much in advance.
    Last edited by Bill_S; 01-04-19 at 04:39 AM.

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    Re: Where are they now...

    Quote Originally Posted by Bill_S View Post
    Hi

    I found out about this thread on The Fretboard UK guitar forum. I wonder if you can help me. I have a Gibson Flying V2 in Red Sparkle. The serial number is 82830006 and from this I have discovered it was built at the Kalamazoo Plant on October 9th, 1980. I have also gleaned, I think that the body is a maple-walnut-maple-walnut-maple sandwich. I have read all I can find on V2s but would be fascinated to learn more.

    I wonder if you are able to help me? Thanks very much in advance.

    That's a nice looking V you have there. Still looks brand new.
    Unfortunately, I can't offer much more info than you already have. All of the V-2's at that time were built in Kalamazoo.
    I did find one in my records that I assembled. It has a K-zoo serial number, 80262003 and likely was sent to Nashville along with the other unfinished, work-in-process instruments when K-zoo closed. I built it on February 15th, 1985.

    Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Strings Jr. View Post
    That's a nice looking V you have there. Still looks brand new.
    Unfortunately, I can't offer much more info than you already have. All of the V-2's at that time were built in Kalamazoo.
    I did find one in my records that I assembled. It has a K-zoo serial number, 80262003 and likely was sent to Nashville along with the other unfinished, work-in-process instruments when K-zoo closed. I built it on February 15th, 1985.

    Thanks!

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    Thank you so much for taking the time to reply. Have you any idea how many of these in Red Sparkle would have been produced? Just an estimate? I know the story about them not selling, Gibson recalling the Maple-walnut-Maple-Walnut-maple V2s (as opposed to Walnut-maple-walnut-maple-walnut versions) and spraying them all kinds of wacky colours...Cheers. And it really is like a brand new guitar - it cannot have been played much at all these past almost 40 years.

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    One of your guitars

    This might be the most amazing thread I ever saw! (and I actually read every post of it.)
    I found it when - just out of curiosity - I googled the initials "RFL" inside the control cavity of my phantastic 1986 Les Paul Reissue (Prehistoric), just to find out that the person behind these initials is actually active in this forum - that's absolutely amazing!

    Randy, so this is a guitar you built, its serial number is "6 0553" and the picture of your initials and date (September 22nd 1986) is seen below, along with pictures of the guitar. I posted several pictures of the top, because I think it's great and on the other hand flame tops seem to be hard to capture, looking more or less different on each photo

    It would be great to hear some memories of building Prehistorics in 1986, so right after the Norlin era had ended.
    And maybe you even have a note on my guitar in your ledger!

    Thank you!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill_S View Post
    Thank you so much for taking the time to reply. Have you any idea how many of these in Red Sparkle would have been produced? Just an estimate? I know the story about them not selling, Gibson recalling the Maple-walnut-Maple-Walnut-maple V2s (as opposed to Walnut-maple-walnut-maple-walnut versions) and spraying them all kinds of wacky colours...Cheers. And it really is like a brand new guitar - it cannot have been played much at all these past almost 40 years.
    Interesting thread indeed! I recently bought a '79 Explorer E2 (E2 was '79-'83), the Explorer version of your V2. Likewise, I'm not finding a lot of info on these out there. Mine is a MWMWM. There are a fair number of anomalies on mine, and I'm trying to sort them out. I'll probably start a new thread about it.


    [IMG]Interesting thread indeed! I recently bought a '79 Explorer E2 (E2 was '79-'83), the Explorer version of your V2. Likewise, I'm not finding a lot of info on these out there. Mine is a MWMWM. There are a fair number of anomalies on mine, and I'm trying to sort them out. I'll probably start a new thread about it.



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    Re: Where are they now...

    Quote Originally Posted by Bill_S View Post
    Hi

    I found out about this thread on The Fretboard UK guitar forum. I wonder if you can help me. I have a Gibson Flying V2 in Red Sparkle. The serial number is 82830006 and from this I have discovered it was built at the Kalamazoo Plant on October 9th, 1980. I have also gleaned, I think that the body is a maple-walnut-maple-walnut-maple sandwich. I have read all I can find on V2s but would be fascinated to learn more.



    I wonder if you are able to help me? Thanks very much in advance.
    How do those V-shaped pickups sound?. I would think it would make it impossible to do pickup swaps, so you are stuck with the originals. I'd love to see what they look like under the covers.
    Al

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    Re: Where are they now...

    Quote Originally Posted by Bill_S View Post
    Thank you so much for taking the time to reply. Have you any idea how many of these in Red Sparkle would have been produced? Just an estimate? I know the story about them not selling, Gibson recalling the Maple-walnut-Maple-Walnut-maple V2s (as opposed to Walnut-maple-walnut-maple-walnut versions) and spraying them all kinds of wacky colours...Cheers. And it really is like a brand new guitar - it cannot have been played much at all these past almost 40 years.
    No idea how many were produced. I worked in Nashville.
    But from what I've seen, the majority had a natural finish. Most likely to "highlight" the laminate construction.

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    Re: One of your guitars

    Quote Originally Posted by hrsbln View Post
    This might be the most amazing thread I ever saw! (and I actually read every post of it.)
    I found it when - just out of curiosity - I googled the initials "RFL" inside the control cavity of my phantastic 1986 Les Paul Reissue (Prehistoric), just to find out that the person behind these initials is actually active in this forum - that's absolutely amazing!

    Randy, so this is a guitar you built, its serial number is "6 0553" and the picture of your initials and date (September 22nd 1986) is seen below, along with pictures of the guitar. I posted several pictures of the top, because I think it's great and on the other hand flame tops seem to be hard to capture, looking more or less different on each photo

    It would be great to hear some memories of building Prehistorics in 1986, so right after the Norlin era had ended.
    And maybe you even have a note on my guitar in your ledger!

    Thank you!
    Heiko










    Thank you so much for posting these pics! It's amazing how you found this thread.
    Your guitar's internal code was #130. I built more of these than any other of the "pre-historics".

    Here's a snip from my ledger. Kinda ironic that I built your guitar immediately after I built the LP Jr. posted above.
    Also, you actually have two sets of initials. The "FL" on the right was made by my Dad. He was the first Sound Booth Inspector after assembly. For him to put his initials inside, it had to be a very special guitar. Are you the original owner? Just wondering who installed the pickguard. I sure didn't.



    Again, thanks for posting. I love finding out "Where Are They Now"
    Last edited by Strings Jr.; 01-07-19 at 07:56 PM.

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    HRSBLN that is a spectacular Reissue- just fantastic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zombiwoof View Post
    How do those V-shaped pickups sound?. I would think it would make it impossible to do pickup swaps, so you are stuck with the originals. I'd love to see what they look like under the covers.
    Al
    Like a Telecaster! At least that’s what I am told, I don’t actually own a Tele. They are nothing like as powerful as a normal humbucker, but it’s possible to get fantastic edge of breakup tones. Many folk don’t like the V2 because of this lack of power, but I love them for it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by wmachine View Post
    Interesting thread indeed! I recently bought a '79 Explorer E2 (E2 was '79-'83), the Explorer version of your V2. Likewise, I'm not finding a lot of info on these out there. Mine is a MWMWM. There are a fair number of anomalies on mine, and I'm trying to sort them out. I'll probably start a new thread about it.


    [IMG]Interesting thread indeed! I recently bought a '79 Explorer E2 (E2 was '79-'83), the Explorer version of your V2. Likewise, I'm not finding a lot of info on these out there. Mine is a MWMWM. There are a fair number of anomalies on mine, and I'm trying to sort them out. I'll probably start a new thread about it.



    I love the look of that E2! I would love one of those to complement the V2. What are the pickups like and how does the neck feel?

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    Re: Where are they now...

    Quote Originally Posted by Bill_S View Post
    I love the look of that E2! I would love one of those to complement the V2. What are the pickups like and how does the neck feel?
    Thanks, Bill. The cousin for you are the Cherry Red ones:
    Thttps://reverb.com/item/16868757-1980-gibson-explorer-e2-vintage-guitar-cherry-red-sparkle-near-mint-w-ohc
    https://reverb.com/item/12580174-198...rer-cherry-red

    The neck is medium to small, but not too small. Seems to get chunkier toward the body? Stock pups are Gibson Dirty fingers. My bridge pup is swapped out for a Dimarzio and not sure if the other pup is original or not. Sound great, but no help to you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wmachine View Post
    Thanks, Bill. The cousin for you are the Cherry Red ones:
    Thttps://reverb.com/item/16868757-1980-gibson-explorer-e2-vintage-guitar-cherry-red-sparkle-near-mint-w-ohc
    https://reverb.com/item/12580174-198...rer-cherry-red

    The neck is medium to small, but not too small. Seems to get chunkier toward the body? Stock pups are Gibson Dirty fingers. My bridge pup is swapped out for a Dimarzio and not sure if the other pup is original or not. Sound great, but no help to you.
    Wish you hadn’t shown me that one! 😉

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    Have you been asked about the women's names that sometimes appear (usually in the neck p/u pocket) on early 80s guitars? There is a thread on this topic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VamboRool View Post
    Have you been asked about the women's names that sometimes appear (usually in the neck p/u pocket) on early 80s guitars? There is a thread on this topic.
    Yes. See post #97 earlier in this thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Strings Jr. View Post


    Thank you so much! That's amazing, I really love the Internet for making things like this possible!

    Quote Originally Posted by Strings Jr. View Post
    Also, you actually have two sets of initials. The "FL" on the right was made by my Dad. He was the first Sound Booth Inspector after assembly. For him to put his initials inside, it had to be a very special guitar.
    Wow, that's great to hear. Yes, it's a fantastic guitar, it plays great and sounds amazing, also unamplified with a strong and loud tone.
    I'm really happy I got it and will definitely keep it, along with my other Les Paul, an August 1990 black Custom that I bought used in 1993

    Quote Originally Posted by Strings Jr. View Post
    Are you the original owner? Just wondering who installed the pickguard. I sure didn't.
    No, I bought it only last year at a Vintage Guitar Shop in Ireland - got there by plane at noon and flew back with the guitar (in its case) on an extra seat in the evening
    The pickguard was already installed - I wouldn't have installed it either

    Quote Originally Posted by corpse View Post
    HRSBLN that is a spectacular Reissue- just fantastic.
    Thank you so much!

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    Were you still working at Gibson in 1990?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Axelorox View Post
    Were you still working at Gibson in 1990?
    I left in mid October 1990.

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    Re: Where are they now...

    Do you know anything about 92070325? Left-handed Les Paul Custom in heritage cherry sunburst. The Guitar Dater Project says it was built on July 26th, 1990. I got it some years ago and in the time since, I have never seen a more beautiful HCB Custom.

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    Strings Jr., maybe you can clear up something for me. In '79, before the Custom Shop, I understand one could special order a guitar. Was there any indication on the guitar itself that it was a special order? Did Gibson keep records of it being special ordered, and if one wrote to Gibson with the serial number, should Gibson be able to give you the specs and the special order features?

    I'm looking into the non-standard features on my '79 Explorer (post #297). I'm finding evidence that at least some of the anomalies cannot be explained away as being changed made after it left the factory. I did write to Gibson, but it has been over a week, and no response.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Axelorox View Post
    Do you know anything about 92070325? Left-handed Les Paul Custom in heritage cherry sunburst. The Guitar Dater Project says it was built on July 26th, 1990. I got it some years ago and in the time since, I have never seen a more beautiful HCB Custom.
    No info on that one. You may want to check the serial number. The sixth digit should be a 5 or 6.
    However, there's a very good possibility I did the Final Inspection on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wmachine View Post
    Strings Jr., maybe you can clear up something for me. In '79, before the Custom Shop, I understand one could special order a guitar. Was there any indication on the guitar itself that it was a special order? Did Gibson keep records of it being special ordered, and if one wrote to Gibson with the serial number, should Gibson be able to give you the specs and the special order features?

    I'm looking into the non-standard features on my '79 Explorer (post #297). I'm finding evidence that at least some of the anomalies cannot be explained away as being changed made after it left the factory. I did write to Gibson, but it has been over a week, and no response.
    I think Gibson has taken “special orders” for as long as they’ve been making guitars.
    The E-2’s were built in Kalamazoo, same as the V-2. I would say finding any documentation on a guitar that old, especially from Kalamazoo, would be a VERY long shot.
    Probably be a good idea to start a new thread about your guitar to explain these anomalies and why you think they are factory. There are people here that know way more about these than me. One thing I can tell you, I didn’t see any Kahler vibrolas at Gibson until 1983.

    Good luck!

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    @Strings Jr. - I just bought a 1985 Les Paul Reissue, sn. 5 0185, and your initials are in the control cavity. It's a wonderful guitar and I feel very fortunate to be the new owner! Do you have this one in your ledger?




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    Quote Originally Posted by slater529 View Post
    @Strings Jr. - I just bought a 1985 Les Paul Reissue, sn. 5 0185, and your initials are in the control cavity. It's a wonderful guitar and I feel very fortunate to be the new owner! Do you have this one in your ledger?


    Absolutely!!
    She was born on September 6th, 1985.
    Congrats on getting this fantastic guitar!! Thanks for sharing.


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    Ive really been looking at these 80's guitars I really miss my Guitar Trader Les Paul !
    Ive never confused owning a bunch of high end gear with being some kind of a guitar player I'm a hack and I love guitars !

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    Quote Originally Posted by Strings Jr. View Post
    Absolutely!!
    She was born on September 6th, 1985.
    Congrats on getting this fantastic guitar!! Thanks for sharing.

    Awesome! Thank you so much!

    I'm told it was a one-owner guitar that had been purchased new, played very little, and then stored away in it's case for the past 33 years. Based on it's condition, I would say that story is highly possible. It's nearly mint! At any rate, it was in Minnesota all these past years, but now resides with me in the great state of Washington.

    Thanks again for sharing all the wonderful pictures and information about our beloved guitars!

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    Randy, I have one more question about 5 0185, if you don't mind... Inside the pickup routes, there's a strip of bare wood that looks as if there was a piece of tape there when it was painted. Could you please take a look and tell my what you think?




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    Quote Originally Posted by slater529 View Post
    Randy, I have one more question about 5 0185, if you don't mind... Inside the pickup routes, there's a strip of bare wood that looks as if there was a piece of tape there when it was painted. Could you please take a look and tell my what you think?


    Yes, it was masking tape. All of the openings (including controls, toggle, etc.) were taped before finishing. Along with the fingerboard.
    After buffing, the Neck Prep person would remove the tape and "prep" the fingerboard before assembly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Strings Jr. View Post
    Yes, it was masking tape. All of the openings (including controls, toggle, etc.) were taped before finishing. Along with the fingerboard.
    After buffing, the Neck Prep person would remove the tape and "prep" the fingerboard before assembly.
    Thanks Randy!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Strings Jr. View Post
    I think Gibson has taken “special orders” for as long as they’ve been making guitars.
    The E-2’s were built in Kalamazoo, same as the V-2. I would say finding any documentation on a guitar that old, especially from Kalamazoo, would be a VERY long shot.
    Probably be a good idea to start a new thread about your guitar to explain these anomalies and why you think they are factory. There are people here that know way more about these than me. One thing I can tell you, I didn’t see any Kahler vibrolas at Gibson until 1983.

    Good luck!
    Thanks, I'll start a new thread.
    One more question, Same era, did Gibson ever use other brand pups, especially on special orders? Can it be safely said it is impossible that a special order one would come with Dimarzios?
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    Quote Originally Posted by wmachine View Post
    Thanks, I'll start a new thread.
    One more question, Same era, did Gibson ever use other brand pups, especially on special orders? Can it be safely said it is impossible that a special order one would come with Dimarzios?
    The only time I saw non-Gibson pups used was when we put EMG's in the Showcase Edition guitars.
    But, like I've said before, anything was possible with Gibson during that era.

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    This continues to be my favorite thread!

    (Not including threads about black ES345s from 1959 & 1960...!)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Strings Jr. View Post
    I think Gibson has taken “special orders” for as long as they’ve been making guitars.
    The E-2’s were built in Kalamazoo, same as the V-2. I would say finding any documentation on a guitar that old, especially from Kalamazoo, would be a VERY long shot.
    Probably be a good idea to start a new thread about your guitar to explain these anomalies and why you think they are factory. There are people here that know way more about these than me. One thing I can tell you, I didn’t see any Kahler vibrolas at Gibson until 1983.

    Good luck!
    Randy, you're right on the money. Finally heard back from Gibson: "I recommend contacting George Gruhn or Walter carter for an official appraisal on this one. Gibson won’t be able to confirm that the finish or hardware are original. They might be… but you should talk to a vintage guitar expert for something like this."
    New thread coming as soon as I can get it all together.
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    Re: Where are they now...

    My buddy has two Reissues. He would love to get the background but these might be too early.
    80441566 with code 1750
    82191550 with code 2798

    Thank you.

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