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    60's Les Paul Custom

    I work in the IT field and my boss, the C.T.O claims to have a 1964 Les Paul Custom. He picked it up in 1984 from a music store in Germany.
    He says that a few years ago he had it value appraised from Gibson, so in his mind its confirmed a 1964 Les Paul Custom.
    However I've been doing some reading as I was trying to get a general idea of current value and I've run across some forums that suggest there were no Les Pauls made between 1962 and 1968 making it impossible for this to be a 1964 Les Paul. I don't know that much about Gibsons as I've mainly been a Fender guy. I owned a Les Paul traditional a few years ago that I did not keep and now a 2013 R7 that I can't see ever parting with.
    So just wondering if someone can confirm that this is fact that there were no Les Pauls made between 62 and 68 and if they can point me to a link with some credible evidence of this so that I could show my boss that he has the date wrong.
    If so, it could be an earlier model 1960 (would be even better but not likely) or a newer model (1969 or newer)

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    Re: 60's Les Paul Custom

    Quote Originally Posted by golfnut View Post
    I work in the IT field and my boss, the C.T.O claims to have a 1964 Les Paul Custom. He picked it up in 1984 from a music store in Germany.
    He says that a few years ago he had it value appraised from Gibson, so in his mind its confirmed a 1964 Les Paul Custom.
    However I've been doing some reading as I was trying to get a general idea of current value and I've run across some forums that suggest there were no Les Pauls made between 1962 and 1968 making it impossible for this to be a 1964 Les Paul. I don't know that much about Gibsons as I've mainly been a Fender guy. I owned a Les Paul traditional a few years ago that I did not keep and now a 2013 R7 that I can't see ever parting with.
    So just wondering if someone can confirm that this is fact that there were no Les Pauls made between 62 and 68 and if they can point me to a link with some credible evidence of this so that I could show my boss that he has the date wrong.
    If so, it could be an earlier model 1960 (would be even better but not likely) or a newer model (1969 or newer)
    First year SGs were technically called Les Pauls, so it's possible that the guitar could be a white Les Paul/SG Custom. They dropped the Les Paul name in 1963, but I suppose it's possible that a few Customs carried over the Les Paul appointments into 1964. These would be the Truss Rod Cover and plastic plate above the rhythm pickup, that both sport the cursive Les Paul logo.

    As far as I know, there were no single-cutaway Les Paul Customs made in 1964. I've seen up to 1961 possibly 1962 but they didn't return with the traditional body shape until 1968. A 1968 LP Custom will be easily distinguishable from a late 50's/1960, we just need to see some pictures.
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    Re: 60's Les Paul Custom

    Quote Originally Posted by KingsleyMac View Post
    First year SGs were technically called Les Pauls, so it's possible that the guitar could be a white Les Paul/SG Custom. They dropped the Les Paul name in 1963, but I suppose it's possible that a few Customs carried over the Les Paul appointments into 1964. These would be the Truss Rod Cover and plastic plate above the rhythm pickup, that both sport the cursive Les Paul logo.

    As far as I know, there were no single-cutaway Les Paul Customs made in 1964. I've seen up to 1961 possibly 1962 but they didn't return with the traditional body shape until 1968. A 1968 LP Custom will be easily distinguishable from a late 50's/1960, we just need to see some pictures.

    I've seen the guitar. Its a cherry burst les paul, shaped in the traditional les paul body. Not an SG. He actually told me it was dated as July 63 and holds fast that Gibson confirmed it.
    I'm not over to his house often but he's planning a company, barbecue for the guys in IT so I'll get pics when I'm over for that.
    He said that Gibson requested numbers from 3 different places on the guitar. Back of the headstock, and 2 other places can't remember where he said.

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    Re: 60's Les Paul Custom

    Ummm...no.

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    Re: 60's Les Paul Custom

    Let's see some pics. We will be happy to help. Maybe its a Sunburst from the 50's Would pay for a house if it was.

    Try to get a picture of the "Gibson" headstock logo, an overall pic, and one of the serial number.

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    Re: 60's Les Paul Custom

    With stories like these its not uncommon that the owner missed about 10 years.

    Its probably a nice 1974.

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    Re: 60's Les Paul Custom

    As far as i know there were no Sunburst Customs before the 70's.

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    Re: 60's Les Paul Custom

    Quote Originally Posted by Mats A View Post
    As far as i know there were no Sunburst Customs before the 70's.
    First burst Customs appeared in early 1971 exactly.
    My diagnosis is: Hiwatt and Norlinphilia


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    Re: 60's Les Paul Custom

    Could it be a special order custom (maybe via a high volume dealer or celebrity etc)?

    Quote Originally Posted by Xpensive Wino View Post
    Ummm...no.

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    Re: 60's Les Paul Custom

    Quote Originally Posted by c_wester View Post
    With stories like these its not uncommon that the owner missed about 10 years.

    Its probably a nice 1974.
    This, times a ZILLION!

    I had an interesting "conversation" with this guy that swore he bought a SG before deploying to Vietnam in 1968, swore it up and down..insulted me, yada yada..


    It was a 1971 SG Standard..
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    Re: 60's Les Paul Custom

    I have seen one oddball les paul custom that came from a gibson employee that was supposedly pre-1968. Unfortunately it met a sad demise, falling out of a trailer and being run over.

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    Re: 60's Les Paul Custom

    This info is easy enough to Google .In between 1962 -1968 No Gibson Guitars including SG's with the name of Les Paul on the headstock or the truss rod cover because the endorsement deal between Gibson and Les Paul expired at the end of 1961 and was not renewed by the two parties until 1968 .So any guitar claiming to say other wise is a forgery IMHO .

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    Re: 60's Les Paul Custom

    Quote Originally Posted by El Gringo View Post
    This info is easy enough to Google .In between 1962 -1968 No Gibson Guitars including SG's with the name of Les Paul on the headstock or the truss rod cover because the endorsement deal between Gibson and Les Paul expired at the end of 1961 and was not renewed by the two parties until 1968 .So any guitar claiming to say other wise is a forgery IMHO .
    ..except that there are known legit '63s...
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    Re: 60's Les Paul Custom

    Quote Originally Posted by Kris Ford View Post
    ..except that there are known legit '63s...
    So those would be factory leftovers that did not ship prior to the termination of the endorsement deal ?

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    Re: 60's Les Paul Custom

    When did Gibson start using the 3 piece maple tops on 68 and onward Les Paul Customs ?

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