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  1. #41

    Re: anyone own a Mark Farner style 60s Messenger guitar ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Wittrock View Post
    That doesn't appear to be an original old Messenger.
    Mine had sound holes and a different pickguard.
    Modern knock off?
    Farner's came directly from the distributer with one though.
    Midnight Blues

  2. #42

    Re: anyone own a Mark Farner style 60s Messenger guitar ?

    could be a knock off Tom ..I know zero about Messengers ...I will say that the few reissues that I've seen have had small humbucks and these appear to be original style pups and original type paint rather than the newer translucent green ...I think it may be a vintage one but a different variation from Mark's ..but I ain't gonna bet on it


    ..just read the YouTube comments ..guy claims this rare model was called The Magna
    Last edited by garywright; 02-28-16 at 04:24 PM. Reason: added model

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    Re: anyone own a Mark Farner style 60s Messenger guitar ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Wittrock View Post
    That doesn't appear to be an original old Messenger.
    Mine had sound holes and a different pickguard.
    Modern knock off?
    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight Blues View Post
    Farner's came directly from the distributer with one though.
    Not sure what you mean here.
    Mark's guitar had only one sound hole? One what?
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  4. #44

    Re: anyone own a Mark Farner style 60s Messenger guitar ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight Blues View Post
    You know, that reminds me Kris, I don't think Mark got much credit for what he did besides playing guitar (he didn't get much credit for that either which is unbelievable to me)? He had/has a phenomenal voice, could play harmonica and was a really good keyboard player, not to mention his song writing ability.
    ahhh ..that's it Mark ..sing it brother !

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zOC1vAldWds

    man's movin and groovin ala Sammy Davis Jr.

  5. #45

    Re: anyone own a Mark Farner style 60s Messenger guitar ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Wittrock View Post
    Not sure what you mean here.
    Mark's guitar had only one sound hole? One what?
    I was referring to the built-in fuzz, similar to the Messenger in the video that Gary posted. Farner's came with one built-in.

    With regard to the one in the video Gary posted, could be they didn't put sound holes in the newer ones where they built-in a fuzz?
    Last edited by Midnight Blues; 02-28-16 at 05:04 PM.
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  6. #46

    Re: anyone own a Mark Farner style 60s Messenger guitar ?

    Quote Originally Posted by garywright View Post
    ahhh ..that's it Mark ..sing it brother !

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zOC1vAldWds

    man's movin and groovin ala Sammy Davis Jr.
    I've seen that before. Too funny!

    I think that's Curt Johnson playing guitar? Wonder what year his LP was?
    Midnight Blues

  7. #47

    Re: anyone own a Mark Farner style 60s Messenger guitar ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight Blues View Post
    Farner's came directly from the distributer with one though.
    here's some info...

    http://www.premierguitar.com/article...ssenger_Guitar

  8. #48

    Re: anyone own a Mark Farner style 60s Messenger guitar ?

    Quote Originally Posted by garywright View Post
    Good article! I like the "Morning Sunburst" color.
    Midnight Blues

  9. #49

    Re: anyone own a Mark Farner style 60s Messenger guitar ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight Blues View Post
    Good article! I like the "Morning Sunburst" color.
    yeah me too, but my preference would be the metallic pea green

  10. #50

    Re: anyone own a Mark Farner style 60s Messenger guitar ?

    Quote Originally Posted by garywright View Post
    yeah me too, but my preference would be the metallic pea green
    But of course!

    The white one doesn't look too bad either.
    Midnight Blues

  11. #51

    Re: anyone own a Mark Farner style 60s Messenger guitar ?

    I've got some experience with these. I believe the first ones that were made in 1967 had the fuzztone circuits. The 2nd year, the fuzz went away and the guitar became stereo. (The 2nd switch switched from mono to stereo). Very small frets, like the 60's Mosrites. The back of the aluminum neck has a surface that is some sort of paint, which makes it more like a wood neck. That aluminum neck would be kind of cold to play if this "paint" wasn't there. Pickups were low output single coils (like Dearmonds) that helped give the Messenger its sound, along with the metal neck.

    The red finish was called "Rojo Red", and the green "Midnight Green" (if I remember). At a guitar show 20 years ago, I saw a nice natural finish one, but this might've been a one-off.

    They were a little hard to play, but probably because I mostly played Gibsons. I did get used to it after spending some time with it.

  12. #52

    Re: anyone own a Mark Farner style 60s Messenger guitar ?

    thanks for that info ..do you have a couple pix you could post ?

  13. #53

    Re: anyone own a Mark Farner style 60s Messenger guitar ?

    Quote Originally Posted by garywright View Post
    thanks for that info ..do you have a couple pix you could post ?
    I'll post a few in a couple days or so. I have a red one and a sunburst one, both with changed pickups. Also have a red Eastwood (which is a great playing guitar.)

  14. #54

    Re: anyone own a Mark Farner style 60s Messenger guitar ?

    looking forward to it !

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    Re: anyone own a Mark Farner style 60s Messenger guitar ?

    The one I sold almost 40 years ago came in today for a restring and set up.
    See through cherry red and no fuzz tone. Mono wiring.

    I'll try to get photos in a few days.
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    Re: anyone own a Mark Farner style 60s Messenger guitar ?

    Back for a visit after almost 40 years!
    Only readable pot date is 4th week of 1967.







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    Re: anyone own a Mark Farner style 60s Messenger guitar ?

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  19. #59

    Re: anyone own a Mark Farner style 60s Messenger guitar ?

    what a unique guitar ! ..thanks for the pix Tom

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    Re: anyone own a Mark Farner style 60s Messenger guitar ?

    Looks like the neck was painted white over the aluminum, then several coats of black.
    Inside the control cavity I saw the start of a second jack hole. Maybe they made some stereo at the same time?
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  21. #61

    Re: anyone own a Mark Farner style 60s Messenger guitar ?

    I've seen necks mounted with four, three ..but not one screw ..is there more support hidden inside the body ?

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    Re: anyone own a Mark Farner style 60s Messenger guitar ?

    Quote Originally Posted by garywright View Post
    I've seen necks mounted with four, three ..but not one screw ..is there more support hidden inside the body ?
    There is an aluminum bar running through the body [part of the neck, or attached to the neck] that is anchored at the tailpiece. I'm not sure what that screw is for.

    And the front strap button is on the wrong side [below the neck] with no sign of it ever being on the top side.
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  23. #63

    Re: anyone own a Mark Farner style 60s Messenger guitar ?

    Quote Originally Posted by SixStrRzr View Post
    I'll post a few in a couple days or so. I have a red one and a sunburst one, both with changed pickups. Also have a red Eastwood (which is a great playing guitar.)
    hello ? ...test, test ..its been a couple days

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    Re: anyone own a Mark Farner style 60s Messenger guitar ?

    Greeat info and photos. First concert I ever went to was GFRR at Madison Sq Garden in NYC, 1971. Bloodrock opened, they had a wall of Acoustic amps. One of the best concerts I ever went to and I been to a gazillion.
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