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    Re: Dickey Betts' "Redtop" Goldtop...a bunch of cool pics!

    Quote Originally Posted by MapleFlame View Post
    This is an interesting guitar, late 60's inlays but has 50's binding in horn. Second song he plays. I wonder if it was a reboard. Looks like reflector knobs that has the reflectors out No?

    WOW, I have never seen this video before!

    Excuse my excitement and let me just say Hi and thanks for such a cool forum!
    I'm new here, stumbled across this site a few days ago when i was looking at some stuff about Glenn Frey's Old Black.
    I joined your site and have been looking around and seen this thread about Dickey and Goldie, and i be damned you guys got a video of a show that I can barley remember and i was there!
    I was Dickey's tech at the time and yes, that's Goldie!

    Here's a couple of pics....the solo of Goldie was taken somewhere backstage and the one of Dickey, Goldie and myself was taken in Chicago during a taping of a Busch beer commercial.
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    Re: Dickey Betts' "Redtop" Goldtop...a bunch of cool pics!

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    Here's a couple of pics....the solo of Goldie was taken somewhere backstage and the one of Dickey, Goldie and myself was taken in Chicago during a taping of a Busch beer commercial.
    Great to see this post! I remember hearing that Busch commercial once in the '80s and have never heard it since. Thought I was hallucinating! Any memories of how Dickey had his guitars set up, amps, etc? Cheers!
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    Re: Dickey Betts' "Redtop" Goldtop...a bunch of cool pics!

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    Oye!! I showed this thread to Warren last night.. He just shook his head. Dickey's son Duane was there last night as well. He has a hard time keeping up Dad's guitars I think..
    From my recollection, this is what I know.
    Dickey gave Duane the SG/LP when he bought his first Goldtop. That one had a Bigsby shadow. there was another GT that was bought around the time Duane was killed. I'm not sure if that's the one that went to Gibson and was refinished in Cherry Sunburst or if it was his first GT. When I saw the "Five Man ABB" in mid-`72 he used a GT and the burst. I seem to recall he used the GT for slide and the Burst for regular lead work.
    After Great Southern fused into the Bros., Dickey played a GT as he gave Danny the Burst. I know Dickey had a few GT's as there was one that had a bad bridge that he thought it was bad guitar and threw it in the trash. Reddog fished it out, took it home and fixed it and brought it to rehearsal the next day. Dickey got mad at Dog and put it back in the trash bin telling him it was bad guitar and he didn't want to see it again. Dog took it home and I'm betting it stayed there until he need some money for his illness's a few years back. (He passed away in Feb. 2011). I'm not entirely sure what he's had, but I know in the early `90's he bought a `56 or early `57 GT with P-90's. His then tech, the late Troy Venible installed a pair of humbuckings without having to rout out any wood. That guitar was his backup guitar for a while but now resides in the R`n R HoF in Cleveland and has been there for at least a decade. I know back in the `90's he took the main GT and stripped it and had it sprayed Red. He's had all these other signature guitars and stuff to use, but I'm betting he keeps his old guitars at home these days. I'll ask Duane the next time I see him. He lives most of the time here in L.A. but has been out playing with a band named "Dawes" but also has his own deal and whenever he goes to Jacksonville, Fla. he plays with Berry Oakley (Jr.)'s band.
    Anyway...if this GT/Redtop was the guitar he played for a number of years, I simply can not understand why he stripped it and had it refinished. I played it a number of times back in the `90's and it was a really nice playing and great sounding guitar.I would have left well enough alone. I always thought that this was the Fillmore East guitar..
    Does anyone know iof there are Bigsby holes on the bottom end that have been plugged/filled or maybe just left alone? If there is evidence of a Bigsby then this is the Fillmore guitar most likely.
    This is "Goldie" as Dickey calls it. This is from "Toys for Tots" that Dickey played a few years ago with Duane. His then Guitar Tech Carlos and subsequent tech Bain have verified this. He played this many times around Sarasota over the last several years. From private parties at his property in Myakka, to joining his daughter's band (Kim Betts), benefits, concerts, etc
    I have played in Kim Betts band (As half of the guitar players in Sarasota have), and all of Dickey's Great Southern Band are my friends that I play with from time to time. BTW, Berry Oakley Jr lives in Sarasota and Duane does join him from time to time at Hoosiers in Osprey that is close to where Dickey lives.
    Dickey has trashed nice guitars like the first prototype "Goldie", serial number DB00001 that is in about 5 pieces right now. Apparently Dickey busted it up in an argument at home.
    Dickey now plays a new custom SG made specially for him by Gibson. He played it at a few shows recently before busting his noggin out by his pool. He is doing well now and not sure if he'll go out again. The last lineup of Great Southern was Dickey, Duane, Pedro, Mike Kach, Damon Fowler, Frankie Lombardi, and Steve Camilleri.
    Devon, Duane, and Berry are now on a new venture called "Allman Betts project. They will be playing The Clearwater Blues Fest in a few weeks. Meanwhile I just might just get Dickey for my festival the same time next month with Chris Anderson and Johnny Neel, Damon Fowler, Mike Kach, and Frankie Lombardi (https://synchronicityfestivals.com)
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    Re: Dickey Betts' "Redtop" Goldtop...a bunch of cool pics!

    Dickey is a big favorite of mine and heavily influenced me on the Les Paul . I owe a debt of gratitude for inspiration to Mr.Bett's !

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    Re: Dickey Betts' "Redtop" Goldtop...a bunch of cool pics!

    Ok, since no one asked. What happened to the husk in the OP?

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    Re: Dickey Betts' "Redtop" Goldtop...a bunch of cool pics!

    Being a huge Dickey Betts fan, the one thing I can say with absolute certainty is, Dickey is never getting anywhere near one of my guitars...
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    Re: Dickey Betts' "Redtop" Goldtop...a bunch of cool pics!

    Quote Originally Posted by KennyF View Post
    Being a huge Dickey Betts fan, the one thing I can say with absolute certainty is, Dickey is never getting anywhere near one of my guitars...
    You are cracking me up and I have to agree with you and ditto for me as I don't care who it is , as they are all off limits to any and everyone except for my tech who is there guardian and caretaker .

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    Re: Dickey Betts' "Redtop" Goldtop...a bunch of cool pics!

    Quote Originally Posted by El Gringo View Post
    You are cracking me up and I have to agree with you and ditto for me as I don't care who it is , as they are all off limits to any and everyone except for my tech who is there guardian and caretaker .
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    Re: Dickey Betts' "Redtop" Goldtop...a bunch of cool pics!

    +1 on what happened to the original husk?!?!

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    Re: Dickey Betts' "Redtop" Goldtop...a bunch of cool pics!

    Quote Originally Posted by MapleFlame View Post
    This is an interesting guitar, late 60's inlays but has 50's binding in horn. Second song he plays. I wonder if it was a reboard. Looks like reflector knobs that has the reflectors out No?
    Thanks for this post, enjoying it now. I saw Betts around 1986, Spring time. He had to borrow a guitar and equipment from an opening band, his stuff got there late. He was dressed like normal - unlike this video, where he looks more like a Hall and Oates fan, lol. Guitar does look a little whittled on, but heck, I think it communicates his adaptability. I give him a break for not having time to be a professional luthier. Betts is a favorite of mine for sure.

    Edit: Thanks to MapleFlame for posting.

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    Re: Dickey Betts' "Redtop" Goldtop...a bunch of cool pics!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MapleFlame View Post
    This is an interesting guitar, late 60's inlays but has 50's binding in horn. Second song he plays. I wonder if it was a reboard. Looks like reflector knobs that has the reflectors out No?]

    Thanks for this post, enjoying it now. I saw Betts around 1986, Spring time. He had to borrow a guitar and equipment from an opening band, his stuff got there late. He was dressed like normal - unlike this video, where he looks more like a Hall and Oates fan, lol. Guitar does look a little whittled on, but heck, I think it communicates his adaptability. I give him a break for not having time to be a professional luthier. Betts is a favorite of mine for sure.

    Edit: Thanks to MapleFlame for posting.
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    Re: Dickey Betts' "Redtop" Goldtop...a bunch of cool pics!

    My name is Greg, and I have great news ...this guitar has been restored, and I am working with the owner and it has turned out amazing ...be looking for video and pics soon and yes it will be for sale !! We had the right people do the work it looks amazing, and it has a beautiful Ice Tea burst and a gorgeous Brazillian Rosewood Fingerboard and some Tom Holmes personal wound PAF pickups ...which some folks say sound more like real PAF's than some originals !! I will be posting pics here next wednesday !! ....I am honored to be part of this restoration and we have done all we could to make it worthy of the guitar. We were not able to get provenance from Dickey Betts or his management ...so it will be sold on its own merits ...however ...the story of a Les Paul being painted by Dickey Betts with a spray can has been verified ..and this one was definitely painted with a red spray can at one point and we left the paint in the pickup routs ...so ...stay tuned !! Again this Guitar is going to be making music for the first time in almost 40 years !!


    Quote Originally Posted by CDaughtry View Post
    A buddy of mine sent me a bunch of pictures of Dickey Betts' "Redtop" Goldtop (in it's present condition) that Dickey used back in the Eat a Peach days and on a ton of live recordings.
    This old girl has been through alot! Check out the broken neck and the replaced fingerboard. Thank God the original serial number was preserved!
    What a great piece of rock n' roll history!

    I wonder what this thing would be worth if it had original parts on it? Anyone care to speculate?

    In any event, enjoy the ULTRA COOL pics!!!!





































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    Re: Dickey Betts' "Redtop" Goldtop...a bunch of cool pics!

    My name is Greg, and I have great news ...this guitar has been restored, and I am working with the owner and it has turned out amazing ...be looking for video and pics soon and yes it will be for sale !! We had the right people do the work it looks amazing, and it has a beautiful Ice Tea burst and a gorgeous Brazillian Rosewood Fingerboard and some Tom Holmes personal wound PAF pickups ...which some folks say sound more like real PAF's than some originals !! I will be posting pics here next wednesday !! ....I am honored to be part of this restoration and we have done all we could to make it worthy of the guitar. We were not able to get provenance from Dickey Betts or his management ...so it will be sold on its own merits ...however ...the story of a Les Paul being painted by Dickey Betts with a spray can has been verified ..and this one was definitely painted with a red spray can at one point and we left the paint in the pickup routs ...so ...stay tuned !! Again this Guitar is going to be making music for the first time in almost 40 years !!

    Quote Originally Posted by xroadie_jim View Post
    Ok, since no one asked. What happened to the husk in the OP?

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    Re: Dickey Betts' "Redtop" Goldtop...a bunch of cool pics!

    My name is Greg, and I have great news ...this guitar has been restored, and I am working with the owner and it has turned out amazing ...be looking for video and pics soon and yes it will be for sale !! We had the right people do the work it looks amazing, and it has a beautiful Ice Tea burst and a gorgeous Brazillian Rosewood Fingerboard and some Tom Holmes personal wound PAF pickups ...which some folks say sound more like real PAF's than some originals !! I will be posting pics here next wednesday !! ....I am honored to be part of this restoration and we have done all we could to make it worthy of the guitar. We were not able to get provenance from Dickey Betts or his management ...so it will be sold on its own merits ...however ...the story of a Les Paul being painted by Dickey Betts with a spray can has been verified ..and this one was definitely painted with a red spray can at one point and we left the paint in the pickup routs ...so ...stay tuned !! Again this Guitar is going to be making music for the first time in almost 40 years !!

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    Re: Dickey Betts' "Redtop" Goldtop...a bunch of cool pics!

    Holy repeating post. Seems more like, “Old Gregg!”
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    Dickey Betts' "Redtop" Goldtop...a bunch of cool pics!

    We just finished the restoration of this guitar today.
    For those who would like to see the process:

    https://historicmakeovers.smugmug.co...2-DB/n-qNbtj7/




    https://historicmakeovers.smugmug.co...2-DB/n-qNbtj7/

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    Re: Dickey Betts' "Redtop" Goldtop...a bunch of cool pics!

    Nice work! Looks like it would've been a Goldtop originally judging by serial range. Was there any evidence of it being a Darkback? It kind of looks that way in the selector switch cavity and back of headstock. Also looks like it was an -ex-Bigsby guitar?
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    Re: Dickey Betts' "Redtop" Goldtop...a bunch of cool pics!

    Was this originally a center seam GT?

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    Re: Dickey Betts' "Redtop" Goldtop...a bunch of cool pics!

    Quote Originally Posted by mistersnappy View Post
    Nice work! Looks like it would've been a Goldtop originally judging by serial range. Was there any evidence of it being a Darkback? It kind of looks that way in the selector switch cavity and back of headstock. Also looks like it was an -ex-Bigsby guitar?
    This was for sure a 1958 Goldtop. We Left the original Dark Back and original serial # in the form of a Stinger to keep Province.

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    Re: Dickey Betts' "Redtop" Goldtop...a bunch of cool pics!

    Quote Originally Posted by sws1 View Post
    Was this originally a center seam GT?
    Yes

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    Re: Dickey Betts' "Redtop" Goldtop...a bunch of cool pics!

    Great job Kim & Team at HM! That Top was a nice surprise, and Bursting it, IMO, was the right call.
    I still believe Dickey owned it at one time, since I too recall Dickey spray painting a GT Red!
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    Quote Originally Posted by kthesheep View Post
    Yes
    I am glad in some ways that Kim posted all the pics of its restoration ...I will be posting videos and more pics of it tomorrow ....cause it made it safely home to Atlanta and I am hoping the owner is well enough to come see it ! Greg

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    Re: Dickey Betts' "Redtop" Goldtop...a bunch of cool pics!

    I re-read the thread and am still not sure which Dickey guitar this is. I think I understood is not Goldie, nor the Toler burst, not that red guitar played in that video on the previous page. Or is it?

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    Re: Dickey Betts' "Redtop" Goldtop...a bunch of cool pics!

    WOW!!! That turned out GREAT...
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    Re: Dickey Betts' "Redtop" Goldtop...a bunch of cool pics!

    That husk looked like it had been run over by the bus. Neck breaks are one thing, but the body was broken into two? Nice save!

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    Re: Dickey Betts' "Redtop" Goldtop...a bunch of cool pics!

    Wonderful & amazing restoration work, Kim !!
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    Re: Dickey Betts' "Redtop" Goldtop...a bunch of cool pics!

    Great restoration did anybody ever prove it was a Betts guitar?

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    Re: Dickey Betts' "Redtop" Goldtop...a bunch of cool pics!

    Wow! . Incredible restoration of a war-weary time traveler! In the hands of an expert, no wrecked vintage guitar is unsalvageable.

    I can't even begin to speculate on how much labor (man-hours) was required to complete this job. But it had to be more than 100 hours.
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    Re: Dickey Betts' "Redtop" Goldtop...a bunch of cool pics!

    Quote Originally Posted by sws1 View Post
    Was this originally a center seam GT?

    Abalone could answer that, LOL!!!!!!!

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    Re: Dickey Betts' "Redtop" Goldtop...a bunch of cool pics!

    Cool looking guitar now irrespective of its history. Unplayable before but not anymore
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    Re: Dickey Betts' "Redtop" Goldtop...a bunch of cool pics!

    its on reverb at 118K

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    Re: Dickey Betts' "Redtop" Goldtop...a bunch of cool pics!

    Quote Originally Posted by STROKER View Post
    its on reverb at 118K
    That's a lot of clams.....
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    Re: Dickey Betts' "Redtop" Goldtop...a bunch of cool pics!

    Quote Originally Posted by STROKER View Post
    its on reverb at 118K

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    Re: Dickey Betts' "Redtop" Goldtop...a bunch of cool pics!

    https://reverb.com/item/29884532-195...on-restoration

    It was an interesting project, and a real restoration tour-de-force, so congrats on that! However, that price has no discernible contact with reality...

    I know of a super-duper '58 GT to burst conversion, with all original parts and case, and no prior repairs, that went for a hair over $50K a few months ago--and everyone agreed that was ALL the money. It was worth it to the buyer because it really was one-of-a-kind stupendous!

    This guitar is not that.

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    Re: Dickey Betts' "Redtop" Goldtop...a bunch of cool pics!

    Quote Originally Posted by CDaughtry View Post



    It's amazing that its got an almost center seamed top, with great wood on it!
    This is accurate. Great playing guitar.

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    Re: Dickey Betts' "Redtop" Goldtop..Here is some audio and video

    I know a lot of folks may be kinda hating on me for the price posted on Reverb for this one ...however this maybe one of the most unique Les Pauls out there ....if you can not afford it ..as I always say do not buy it ..
    most of the ones I see in the 75-80 K range have new necks ..non original serial numbers and no mojo or flame to the tops ...this one is kinda peekaboo and in your face at the same time ...one of the last Goldtops
    and one of the first Center Seam Flame Tops ...this is one of the ones where they said why are we painting this one ?? To add 10,000.00 pickup rings, and a set of PAF's that could not sound as good as these do ...cause these Tom Holmes are at least 10 years old and were specially wound for some well known guitar slingers ....here is a video played by a guy who knows his bursts ...Spencer Kirkpatrick, he used to own 9-1880 which is now owned by Billy Squier, enjoy and please no hate ...life is too short ! Somebody is going to get a great guitar !! www.facebook.com/gregoryleeh...8146755374726/

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    Quote Originally Posted by marshall1987 View Post
    That's a lot of clams.....
    Agreed. This guitar reminds me a bit of the impeachment hearings. A lot of second and third hand information that may be of more interest to the selling party, more than the buying party. Then throw in a makeover. It looks nice but $118K?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doc Sausage View Post
    Agreed. This guitar reminds me a bit of the impeachment hearings. A lot of second and third hand information that may be of more interest to the selling party, more than the buying party. Then throw in a makeover. It looks nice but $118K?
    This is obviously over-simplified but it reminds me of a beat up vintage car restoration .. new bondo, paint, interior etc. still doesn't equal a prized specimen .. other than the association with Mr. Betts which I understand is a topic of much debate I don't see enough to justify the price .. but hey, I'm certainly no expert .. only my humble two cents worth

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    Quote Originally Posted by AVGDeluxe View Post
    I know a lot of folks may be kinda hating on me for the price posted on Reverb for this one ...however this maybe one of the most unique Les Pauls out there ....if you can not afford it ..as I always say do not buy it ..
    most of the ones I see in the 75-80 K range have new necks ..non original serial numbers and no mojo or flame to the tops ...this one is kinda peekaboo and in your face at the same time ...one of the last Goldtops
    and one of the first Center Seam Flame Tops ...this is one of the ones where they said why are we painting this one ?? To add 10,000.00 pickup rings, and a set of PAF's that could not sound as good as these do ...cause these Tom Holmes are at least 10 years old and were specially wound for some well known guitar slingers ....here is a video played by a guy who knows his bursts ...Spencer Kirkpatrick, he used to own 9-1880 which is now owned by Billy Squier, enjoy and please no hate ...life is too short ! Somebody is going to get a great guitar !! www.facebook.com/gregoryleeh...8146755374726/
    It is not a matter of affordability. There are many members here that can afford it. A nice, unmolested 57-58 Goldtop runs anywhere from $80K to $125K typical asking price. But, strip it, burst it and it becomes maybe a $40K to $60K guitar (all the money) with original parts and no breaks. The Betts connection doesn't add much unless it was just the way it was when he owned it. It came out beautiful, but nobody can ignore what it is and what it isn't.

    Just my humble opinion. Best of luck with the sale.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AVGDeluxe View Post
    ....if you can not afford it ..as I always say do not buy it ..
    No need to say anything, since … if you can't afford it, you can't possibly buy it.
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