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    Re: Which new pots most like a vintage centralab?

    Quote Originally Posted by el84ster View Post
    In return for the years of great advice I've gotten here, I'll tell you about the only pot I've found that sounds like (better to me) the old Centrals.

    Right here. https://www.tubesandmore.com/product...ation%3DGuitar

    Yes they're spensive (but how much are the old clabs?) but they are the only pot I've found that sounds as good, actually better! None of the fancy new makes sound like the old pots. Not CTS, not whoever you want to name.

    No I'd don't work for them or the vendor. Just so you know I've been critically listening to (and recording to a/b) various parts for about 20 years now. Amps, guitars, audio gear.
    WOW! I just got a set of long shaft and short shafts from these guys. They are very expensive ($25 each as opposed to 12 for very good over 500 rated) but man! These are the highest quality pot I have seen by a WIDE margin. The build is superb. Super smooth. One pot was 501K the others were all 510-513! Consistent as heck. Don't know how they sound yet but these make every other pot I have played with including the old ones look and feel like a steaming turd! Way to go el84ster! Though I am SURE you got no useful advice from me you are my hero!






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    Re: Which new pots most like a vintage centralab?

    those look built for the zombie apocalpyse

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    Re: Which new pots most like a vintage centralab?

    Quote Originally Posted by renderit View Post
    [COLOR=#00ff00][SIZE=3][FONT=comic sans ms]WOW! I just got a set of long shaft and short shafts from these guys. They are very expensive ($25 each as opposed to 12 for very good over 500 rated) but man! These are the highest quality pot I have seen by a WIDE margin. The build is superb. Super smooth. One pot was 501K the others were all 510-513! Consistent as heck. Don't know how they sound yet but these make every other pot I have played with including the old ones look and feel like a steaming turd! Way to go el84ster! Though I am SURE you got no useful advice from me you are my hero!
    Sweet! Please return back to us with info on sound and "turnability" once you've tried them.
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    Re: Which new pots most like a vintage centralab?

    Look like they might be PEC Military Grade Pots.
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    Quote Originally Posted by renderit View Post
    WOW! I just got a set of long shaft and short shafts from these guys. They are very expensive ($25 each as opposed to 12 for very good over 500 rated) but man! These are the highest quality pot I have seen by a WIDE margin. The build is superb. Super smooth. One pot was 501K the others were all 510-513! Consistent as heck. Don't know how they sound yet but these make every other pot I have played with including the old ones look and feel like a steaming turd! Way to go el84ster! Though I am SURE you got no useful advice from me you are my hero!





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    Re: Which new pots most like a vintage centralab?

    Come on, guys! Big Al, Renderit, etc.

    How do they sound?

    A friend of mine wants to know.

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    Re: Which new pots most like a vintage centralab?

    I'm still tryin' to figure out which part to stick in my ear! Hold on!

    Actually, I am awaiting several special ordered set of pickups to arrive.
    Last edited by renderit; 10-09-17 at 06:16 AM.


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    Re: Which new pots most like a vintage centralab?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Kane View Post
    Ed, after messing with this forever I've finally settled on DiMarzio branded pots. I'm not sure who the manufacturer is but they have the shaft showing through the bottom of the can and I think Fender has used them in the past or maybe still is. Turn very easy too! I've put them in a couple guitars since getting my '61 ES 345 and they match the old pots in there pretty much to a T. They start making sound right away don't have a number and half of no sound when you first start turning them and they go up gradual with the big bump from 8 to 10. Anyway, $5 or $6 apiece so....
    Other than an original R&S pot and wiring in one of mine the other three all have the Dimarzio low-torque vintage style pots. I for one actually prefer the jump from 8 to 10.

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    Re: Which new pots most like a vintage centralab?

    Centralab pots were the ones Gibson used from about 1955 until 1964 when they switched to CTS. They were very clear and hardly changed your tone when turning down the volume control. The Centralab pots combined with the PAF's complimented each other!

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    Re: Which new pots most like a vintage centralab?

    Quote Originally Posted by sapi View Post
    Yep. And it also kills me that not one company has yet replicated those tonal characteristics of the old Centralabs, without the lead (Pb), of course. A modern version, tonally in the same league as the old vintage ones along with the feel, torque, consistency, taper,tolerance, etc.
    Just thinking out loud here, but PEC does custom orders and it might be interesting to put a group of interested folks together to order whatever their minimum quantity is built closer to vintage specs (Pb Negative). Might be the start of something nice...
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    Re: Which new pots most like a vintage centralab?

    Quote Originally Posted by duaneflowers View Post
    Just thinking out loud here, but PEC does custom orders and it might be interesting to put a group of interested folks together to order whatever their minimum quantity is built closer to vintage specs (Pb Negative). Might be the start of something nice...
    Unfortunately, lead is a part of what makes those old pots unique. It's also why they've lasted for half a century or more. Maybe PEC should be asked if they'll include it on the QT--for a price.

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    Re: Which new pots most like a vintage centralab?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cream Fan View Post
    Unfortunately, lead is a part of what makes those old pots unique. It's also why they've lasted for half a century or more. Maybe PEC should be asked if they'll include it on the QT--for a price.
    CTS has factories in China and Taiwan which may be more amenable to producing products manufactured with a lead component. They also create products to customer specs but I'm not sure of how import/export restrictions might come into play...
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    Re: Which new pots most like a vintage centralab?

    I might try a pair of these for volume controls, can someone verify for me that these are the long shaft ("long bushing") version that would work for a LP that needs long shaft pots?:

    https://www.tubesandmore.com/product...o-long-bushing

    Sorry to be dense, I just don't want to mess up and buy the wrong thing as much as these cost.
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    Re: Which new pots most like a vintage centralab?

    When I had to put pots in my replica, I went with these CTS pots from All Parts. They are easy to turn,
    not stiff, and have an identical taper to my old Centralab pots in my other guitars. And they're $6 each.


    EP-4386-000 CTS 500K Vintage Style Split Audio Pot
    CTS vintage style 500K audio pot. 24 spline split knurled shaft. Includes nut, lock, and dress washer. Threaded bushing height 3/8 inch. Knurled top 0.2 inch tall.

    https://www.allparts.com/EP-4386-000...ot_p_1426.html

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    Re: Which new pots most like a vintage centralab?

    Quote Originally Posted by ScumbackSpeakers View Post
    When I had to put pots in my replica, I went with these CTS pots from All Parts. They are easy to turn,
    not stiff, and have an identical taper to my old Centralab pots in my other guitars. And they're $6 each.
    Have you seen these anywhere with a long shaft?
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    Re: Which new pots most like a vintage centralab?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Papa View Post
    I might try a pair of these for volume controls, can someone verify for me that these are the long shaft ("long bushing") version that would work for a LP that needs long shaft pots?:

    https://www.tubesandmore.com/product...o-long-bushing

    Sorry to be dense, I just don't want to mess up and buy the wrong thing as much as these cost.
    I will check today for you. I have to find my CTS Long shafts to compare. I gots to clean up my supplies!


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    Re: Which new pots most like a vintage centralab?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Papa View Post
    I might try a pair of these for volume controls, can someone verify for me that these are the long shaft ("long bushing") version that would work for a LP that needs long shaft pots?:

    https://www.tubesandmore.com/product...o-long-bushing

    Sorry to be dense, I just don't want to mess up and buy the wrong thing as much as these cost.
    OK, I thought I had some newer CTS Long Shafts. I do not. BUT when I hold these up to a VINTAGE (1953) long shaft pot they are EXACTLY the same length. There should be the same grip washer on your pot in the guitar, so I guess they are pretty exact.


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    Re: Which new pots most like a vintage centralab?

    Quote Originally Posted by ScumbackSpeakers View Post
    When I had to put pots in my replica, I went with these CTS pots from All Parts. They are easy to turn,
    not stiff, and have an identical taper to my old Centralab pots in my other guitars. And they're $6 each.


    EP-4386-000 CTS 500K Vintage Style Split Audio Pot
    CTS vintage style 500K audio pot. 24 spline split knurled shaft. Includes nut, lock, and dress washer. Threaded bushing height 3/8 inch. Knurled top 0.2 inch tall.

    https://www.allparts.com/EP-4386-000...ot_p_1426.html
    I tried both the long and short versions of these pots and they turn so much smoother than any CTS I have it is amazing. And they are a "precise" easy, not sloppy at all. About half the effort of the CTS. But they sure as hell ain't 6 bucks...


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    Re: Which new pots most like a vintage centralab?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Papa View Post
    Have you seen these anywhere with a long shaft?
    Check Allparts.com, maybe they have them there. I don't need the long shaft version.

    Quote Originally Posted by renderit View Post
    I tried both the long and short versions of these pots and they turn so much smoother than any CTS I have it is amazing. And they are a "precise" easy, not sloppy at all. About half the effort of the CTS. But they sure as hell ain't 6 bucks...
    I think if you buy them in bulk they are cheaper. I just posted the retail price I saw on the site.

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    Re: Which new pots most like a vintage centralab?

    They aren't very pretty (they are just "custom" spec'd Alphas) but I have purchased a few of the GFS XGP potentiometers and they are reasonably robust, cheap (in price), and available in long and short shaft:

    http://www.guitarfetish.com/XGP-Cust...-_p_22999.html

    They quote a 60/40 taper and measuring a few seems to indicate more along the lines of 65/35 with a pretty solid +/- 5% tolerance in resistance (475-525) for the sets I've measured.

    Obviously people may not be keen on putting products from GFS in their high-end guitars but the taper is nice and the "throw" of the pots is nice and smooth. As with any cheaper pot, it pays to get in and get out from a soldering point of view. I was rusty when I installed the last set and it didn't take long to cook the internals.

    I've also had great luck with the Bournes mini pots. Great feel and taper.

    The Retrospec pots are great too.
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    Re: Which new pots most like a vintage centralab?

    Quote Originally Posted by renderit View Post
    WOW! I just got a set of long shaft and short shafts from these guys. They are very expensive ($25 each as opposed to 12 for very good over 500 rated) but man! These are the highest quality pot I have seen by a WIDE margin. The build is superb. Super smooth. One pot was 501K the others were all 510-513! Consistent as heck. Don't know how they sound yet but these make every other pot I have played with including the old ones look and feel like a steaming turd! Way to go el84ster! Though I am SURE you got no useful advice from me you are my hero!




    I just installed a set of these pots with some NOS Sprague matched BB's , the sweep on these pots is smooth no hot spots . From 1-10 a real gradual climb . You can really dial the tone, IMO the pots really opened up the guitar . The best 100.00 I've ever spent really happy with the result !
    Ive never confused owning a bunch of high end gear with being some kind of a guitar player I'm a hack and I love guitars !

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    Re: Which new pots most like a vintage centralab?

    Thanks for the info! Are they "tight" to turn or easy? If you could, how would you compare them to old Centralabs?
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    Re: Which new pots most like a vintage centralab?

    They turn very easy no resistance ball bearing like . its been along time since I had any center labs . When I adjust the tone the sound still has a richness, full
    not muffled . I do think they would be a compliment for any guitar . I would try these pots before I swapped pickups .
    Ive never confused owning a bunch of high end gear with being some kind of a guitar player I'm a hack and I love guitars !

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    Re: Which new pots most like a vintage centralab?

    Good to know. You never know when you'll need a good pot replacement!
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    Re: Which new pots most like a vintage centralab?

    I wonder what the taper specifications are. They sound very linear.
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    Re: Which new pots most like a vintage centralab?

    https://www.vintageinspiredpickups.com/vipots

    Has anyone tried these? Looks interesting...

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    Re: Which new pots most like a vintage centralab?

    Quote Originally Posted by P.Walker View Post
    https://www.vintageinspiredpickups.com/vipots

    Has anyone tried these? Looks interesting...
    I have some on order... I'll update y'all once I've had a chance to pop them in...
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    Re: Which new pots most like a vintage centralab?

    Quote Originally Posted by duaneflowers View Post
    I have some on order... I'll update y'all once I've had a chance to pop them in...
    That's very cool...please do tell us when you have tested them!

    Few questions...

    So these are made by clement and bournes as the literature seems to indicate?

    One thing I learned is that the taper of the originals, which these repros are attempting to replicate, are more drastic than the US counterparts (which I assume he means CTS). Yet in the case of RS superpots for example, they say it was made because they found the CTS pots too steep and drastic and thus their final taper is between let's say cts audio and linear. Very confusing. What gives?

    As of now, for me gibson historic audio tapers post 09 have been very good and plenty useful for my needs. All clock around 500k, and are quiet and clean up very well loud fuzzes and loud amps.

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    Re: Which new pots most like a vintage centralab?

    Quote Originally Posted by P.Walker View Post
    That's very cool...please do tell us when you have tested them!

    Few questions...

    So these are made by clement and bournes as the literature seems to indicate?

    One thing I learned is that the taper of the originals, which these repros are attempting to replicate, are more drastic than the US counterparts (which I assume he means CTS). Yet in the case of RS superpots for example, they say it was made because they found the CTS pots too steep and drastic and thus their final taper is between let's say cts audio and linear. Very confusing. What gives?

    As of now, for me gibson historic audio tapers post 09 have been very good and plenty useful for my needs. All clock around 500k, and are quiet and clean up very well loud fuzzes and loud amps.
    I also have been happy with historic pots , and have no plans on changing my Les Pauls . I bought 2016 firebird V replaced everything other than tuners .
    Ive never confused owning a bunch of high end gear with being some kind of a guitar player I'm a hack and I love guitars !

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    Re: Which new pots most like a vintage centralab?

    After quite a bit of time since this thread started, I still am not seeing where anyone said, "____ brand/model pot performs exactly like an old Centralab."

    I don't have issues with the feel or taper of any pots on any of my guitars. I've only heard rumors that Centralab pots in the 50's were a key part of the sound.

    I seem to get all the benefits people talk about when using 50's wiring in either my LP or Tele. So if there's any extra "secret sauce" to Centralabs, I'm all ears. Yet for more than 2 years, folks have mentioned they were going to buy ____ pots and see if they stack up to Centralab, yet no report after to say what their findings were.

    Will we ever know?

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    Re: Which new pots most like a vintage centralab?

    Quote Originally Posted by B Ingram View Post
    After quite a bit of time since this thread started, I still am not seeing where anyone said, "____ brand/model pot performs exactly like an old Centralab."

    I don't have issues with the feel or taper of any pots on any of my guitars. I've only heard rumors that Centralab pots in the 50's were a key part of the sound.

    I seem to get all the benefits people talk about when using 50's wiring in either my LP or Tele. So if there's any extra "secret sauce" to Centralabs, I'm all ears. Yet for more than 2 years, folks have mentioned they were going to buy ____ pots and see if they stack up to Centralab, yet no report after to say what their findings were.

    Will we ever know?
    No secret sauce. Just a nice taper and a ruggedness in common with most other things produced from that era.

    If you can find a pot with a 65/35 or 70/30 taper that moves mechanically how you like them stick with that.
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    Re: Which new pots most like a vintage centralab?

    Quote Originally Posted by B Ingram View Post
    After quite a bit of time since this thread started, I still am not seeing where anyone said, "____ brand/model pot performs exactly like an old Centralab."

    I don't have issues with the feel or taper of any pots on any of my guitars. I've only heard rumors that Centralab pots in the 50's were a key part of the sound.

    I seem to get all the benefits people talk about when using 50's wiring in either my LP or Tele. So if there's any extra "secret sauce" to Centralabs, I'm all ears. Yet for more than 2 years, folks have mentioned they were going to buy ____ pots and see if they stack up to Centralab, yet no report after to say what their findings were.

    Will we ever know?
    There aren't any... and the following quote explained why quite nicely...


    Quote Originally Posted by Cream Fan View Post
    Ed: The TVTs are not bad and the Historic Spec pots are decent. The problem is that none of these pots will SOUND like the Centralabs. There is an airy quality to them that modern pots can't duplicate. From what I've learned, the Centralabs had lead mixed into the carbon track. Don't know the percentage, but it was enough to add lubricity and longevity to the final product. That's why they've lasted so long. In my opinion, while they can get the taper very close, it's still not exact, and these new pots will have more lower midrange. Just the nature of the beast, unfortunately. All this clicked into place when I added an original Centralab harness with real Bees to my Historic Makeover. It now has a completely vintage electronic component chain. Those pots made it sound as if a blanket had been removed from the guitar. An astounding difference.

    As to the amount of torque, that's another thing modern pots seem to not be able to do. DeOxit will make them spin a lot easier, but they never lose that slight tugging feel. Again, the old pots win.
    There are pots that sound/perform good, even some that sound/perform great but there are none that perform exactly the same as they are being constructed of different materials. When they say "they don't make them like they used to" that is exactly correct... they don't and can't, although there is the possibility of them being made in a less restrictive country... in which case you run into a host of other problems. Its no secret sauce, just that its not possible to make pots and pickups like they used to due to differences in the manufacturing process.
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    Re: Which new pots most like a vintage centralab?

    I would think that most people could generally agree on the following order of importance:

    1.) Pot Value - This is the most significant parameter from a tone standpoint. Increasing the value changes the peak frequency of the signal leaving the pot. Any test or experiment where an opinion on a certain pot is formed has to control for value of the pot. This is certainly a reason why people notice a difference with the > 500k values for pots. Also, this is why people have good results with matched sets of pots for consistent tone.

    2.) Taper - Taper is of secondary importance but is really neck and neck with pot value. The taper determines the usability of the control but also dictates what resistance values you'll see at certain points in the travel of the pot. So it is in essence indirectly affecting tone by affecting pot value over the travel of the control. Taper is key in determining how the pot reacts in that coveted 6-10 range on the dial, especially if you are using the controls as a dynamic control for your particular setup.

    3.) Ruggedness and Feel - Finally, this had been discussed here in a few posts. How the pot turns, its longevity, etc. are a direct result of how it's constructed and what it is constructed of. If you have the right values and taper, you should next look to the durability and "feel" of the pot.

    I've had good luck with some expensive and inexpensive pots over the years. Some of the ones I've really like are:

    a.) Bourns Minis - I have found that these are pretty consistent value-wise and have a great feel to them. The taper is somewhat better than the standard 80/20 but certainly not that coveted 70/30 or 65/35 often quoted from the vintage pots.

    b.) RS Superpots - These are great but I've always had the nagging suspicion that these are just slightly tweaked linear pots with maybe a 60/40 taper. I don't have any data to support that but it just "feels" that way to me. Same semi-rugged and fairly durable construction as most production CTS pots.

    c.) Hamers - These pots are great. pretty well constructed with a nice "feel". Values have always been consistent from the small handful I've owned and the taper seems to be pretty close to 70/30.


    Some of the pots i'm interested in testing out more thoroughly are:

    a.) GFS XGP Custom Taper pots - I have these currently loaded in my son's short scale. Not very rugged and with typical characteristics of cheap Alphas (they are Alphas) but they seem to have a 60/40 taper to them. Easy to burnout when soldering as are all the Alphas I've used so tread lightly. Get in and get out from a soldering point of view.

    b.) VIP Pots - These look nice and fairly rugged (and the cost is very nice). The raised lettering is a nice touch and as stated may act as a heat shield and good surface to solder to. Taper should be nice as well.

    c.) Retrospec pots - Looking forward to trying these because of the CTS ruggedness and taper.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AA00475Bassman View Post
    I just installed a set of these pots with some NOS Sprague matched BB's , the sweep on these pots is smooth no hot spots . From 1-10 a real gradual climb . You can really dial the tone, IMO the pots really opened up the guitar . The best 100.00 I've ever spent really happy with the result !
    I completely agree. Eventually they will be installed on all but my vintage guitars.
    The older I get, the better I was.

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    Retrospec, Dr. Vintage(Rick Norman)or MSSC for me.

    DiMarzio pots are great and so are the pots in Hamers from my very little experience with them.

    These days I usually just pick up a whole harness from MSSC. Everything is all spec'd out already for you. All you have to do is just drop it in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Al View Post
    I completely agree. Eventually they will be installed on all but my vintage guitars.
    As far as I'm concerned, the verdict is now in.

    Just placed my order. Thanks, Al!

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    Based on all you fine gentlemen's high praise I tried the Antique Electronic Supply 250K short shaft pots in one of my Strats. I replaced a RS Guitarworks super pot in the volume position and it is exceptional!!! The RS pot worked fine except it felt like it had a 90 lb weight on it compared to the AES pot. The new pot has the perfect tension on it and its dynamic from 1 to 10. I will be replacing the volume pots in all my Strats and Tele's with them.

    I'm thinking about my 09 R4, has anyone dropped a set of 500K's in a R4 yet and if so what was the result?

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    Re: Which new pots most like a vintage centralab?

    Quote Originally Posted by renderit View Post
    WOW! I just got a set of long shaft and short shafts from these guys. They are very expensive ($25 each as opposed to 12 for very good over 500 rated) but man! These are the highest quality pot I have seen by a WIDE margin. The build is superb. Super smooth. One pot was 501K the others were all 510-513! Consistent as heck. Don't know how they sound yet but these make every other pot I have played with including the old ones look and feel like a steaming turd! Way to go el84ster! Though I am SURE you got no useful advice from me you are my hero!




    i just ran into this thread while searching for info on replacement pots. I was shocked when I went to the above website (tubes and more) and noticed that the price on these PEC pots a has doubled!! WTFO??

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1LT View Post
    i just ran into this thread while searching for info on replacement pots. I was shocked when I went to the above website (tubes and more) and noticed that the price on these PEC pots a has doubled!! WTFO??
    I guess they decided the people would either pay that or their supply is limited...


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    (i just ran into this thread while searching for info on replacement pots. I was shocked when I went to the above website (tubes and more) and noticed that the price on these PEC pots a has doubled!! WTFO)

    People pay 400.00 pickups & use crap
    stock pot's really a odd way of thinking IMO .

    I bought these pot's installed with alnico pickups , replacing ceramic .

    These pots would be worth double IMO !
    Ive never confused owning a bunch of high end gear with being some kind of a guitar player I'm a hack and I love guitars !

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