shred
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Fortunately there are lots of great used R7-R0's out there, so there are good options for those that can't afford a TH.
Rock music is for folks. Most folks can't afford a new Gibson anymore. What are they thinking? Is rock elitist now?
Saying if people can't really see the difference they don't need a Gibson sounds a bit bitter and ridiculous on your part. Like I said, I've played a few TH's and my opinion on them is still the same. They are nice guitars (like all years Historics) but IMO no better than previous years unless you are just stuck on a few miniscule cosmetic changes. They definitely are not worth the 30%-50% price increase Gibson is asking IMO.
For that much of a price jump in one year I need more than some minor plastics changes, rolled edges and thinner finish.
Bad wording on my part. The difference in finish is huge IMO. Gibson's prior finishes were worse in a lot of cases than much cheaper guitars. I bemoaned the very thing in previous posts. You found orange peel in many places and incomplete "buffing" or sanding or whatever on most of the guitar if you look close. They say the new ones are hand sanded. I find no orange peel on mine. I can on every 13 and 14 I have ever seen and own.
This takes a LOT of time. You can do it in this country and pay out the wazoo for it, or run it through a country with cheap labor and have a perfectly smooth finish. You call it miniscule. After building a number of guitars and refinishing more than a few I can say it is not. We can agree to disagree.
As to your saying you can see allowing them 300-400 more for the guitar, how decent of you. You have every right to vote with your wallet, and I encourage you to do it. I will as well. And I will not be buying any more most likely (or will buy the 13's and 14's till gone). But I can see where they are getting the price.
for me it comes down to choosing between better wood or tighter specs.
a 2015 historic with 2007 wood would be murder.
Funny, my 2014 R7 smokes my old 2007 R7. Not even close!!! Better neck finish work, better neck shape, better finish overall, tighter hardware, and WAY better tone!
you lost me with better.
let's not get too far fetched here. the original issue bursts were one step above student level guitars and part of their charm resides in their imperfections, which the finest replica cats honour in their builds.
Well then let me elaborate. No matter what neck pickup I put into the old R7 the tone was mud, and before you ask I tried numerous pot and caps in it. Also their were dead spots on the neck of the guitar that no amount of fret dressing, nut cuttings and bridge adjustments could fix. And I don't need a lesson in burst history, I'm 57 years old, I've been playing guitar for pretty much my whole life, have made my fulltime living at it for the last 15 years, and have played many great vintage examples of Gibson guitars. When I say one guitar sounded way better I meant it, with NO exaggeration. The first time I played my 2014 I felt something good going on, and with a few turns of a screwdriver I had it setup and sounding GREAT! I have no need to swap any parts, and I love the shape of the neck, whereas the neck on my other R7 was a baseball bat!!! When I hear people rave about 2007 wood I just think they just happened to get a nice plank with the roll of the dice like any year. I have a 2006 R0 which I happen to love too, but the R7, a dud. I traded it into Guitar Center and laughed all the way home! Oh wait, I forgot to mention that there were file marks all over the binding of that R7, man was that guitar a doozy!
Sorry my explantion did nothing to clear that upas I said, you lost me with better.
Sorry my explantion did nothing to clear that up
better is way too subjective for me. i am certain that we have entirely different aesthetics and approaches to the instrument. my default setting might be cumbersome and awkward for you.
also? re read my initial post. i was touting 2007 lumber and/with 2014 specs.
I've said this many times before, there's many way's to skin a cat!
So which CC's are being built as True Historics now? Since I bought my Goldie thinking it was a true historic replica of a true historic original, I am left to wonder what I didnt get for my many thousands? Will the CS be offering us CC owners upgraded parts etc to bring our faux True Collectors Choice Historics up to True historic status? Truly Hystorical..