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    I think I found Beano

    Look at a couple things that are similar here. First, over all, look at the way the grain runs into the center seam below the bridge on both guitars. The angle and the location is the same. I can't rule out the inlays either. Beyond that, there are a couple identifying marks I find similar. First, this little blister circle in between the knobs.




    And the dark grain line under the tone knob.




    Squiggle grain by the pickup ring.




    It's 0 2183.

    Thoughts?

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    Re: I think I found Beano



    "I'm Yngwie J. Malmsteen... And I approve this message"

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    Re: I think I found Beano

    Except ... I don't see evidence of Grovers on 0 2183. You decide.

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    Re: I think I found Beano

    Heh.. Maybe someone was REALLY good at filling in the old grover holes... You might be on to something


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    Re: I think I found Beano

    Well, as long as you can compensate on the ferrule hole, the grover screw hole goes into the Kluson lower hole.

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    Re: I think I found Beano

    Could very well be. Some small spots and grain lines match with pics of Beano.

    Great, JJ!

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    Re: I think I found Beano

    Mr. Clapton's solicitors will be in touch....

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    Re: I think I found Beano

    Whoever owns that guitar, if I'm right and you sell it for a million bucks, I want a cut! LOL.

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    Re: I think I found Beano

    Quote Originally Posted by Xpensive Wino View Post
    Mr. Clapton's solicitors will be in touch....
    Statute of limitations, I believe. If I found out that I owned Beano, I would contact him first, however. But that's just me. I ran this scenario through my head when there was a chance the guitar I just bought might be Beano, util I saw her in person.

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    Re: I think I found Beano

    Quote Originally Posted by JJ Blair View Post
    I ran this scenario through my head when there was a chance the guitar I just bought might be Beano, until I saw her in person.

    So you admit that you've seen Beano in person and have knowledge of its present whereabouts?

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    Re: I think I found Beano

    Quote Originally Posted by JJ Blair View Post
    Statute of limitations, I believe.
    I've had reason to secure expert legal opinion on this question recently, PM me if concerned.

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    Re: I think I found Beano

    JJ, I think you might be right!

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    Les Paul Forum Member JJ Blair's Avatar
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    Re: I think I found Beano

    Quote Originally Posted by Xpensive Wino View Post
    So you admit that you've seen Beano in person and have knowledge of its present whereabouts?
    No, Mike. I mean the guitar I just bought, 0 2165. I could not rule out she was NOT Beano, until I saw that guitar in person. From the pictures I had before I flew to pick up the guitar, I could not rule out the possibility that she was Beano, and apparently, I'm not the only person to whom that occurred.

    Banker, thanks. I don't know who owns the guitar in question, so I guess I have no concerns. LOL.

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    Re: I think I found Beano

    Julio, do you know who owns that guitar?

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    Re: I think I found Beano

    Quote Originally Posted by JJ Blair View Post
    Whoever owns that guitar, if I'm right and you sell it for a million bucks, I want a cut! LOL.
    Someone beat you to it.

    http://www.lespaulforum.com/forum/sh...5&postcount=99

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    Re: I think I found Beano

    Quote Originally Posted by landminelenny View Post
    Well, it would have been helpful had Hardrock said "0 2183" and not "9 2183"!

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    Re: I think I found Beano

    Inlays look off, but maybe the shadows from the strings are making dark lines on the old B/W pics.

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    Re: I think I found Beano

    Quote Originally Posted by hoss View Post
    Inlays look off, but maybe the shadows from the strings are making dark lines on the old B/W pics.
    They are.

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    Re: I think I found Beano

    "What an awesome looking burst. Why was it called the Fogerty burst? Did he own it I gather?"

    "Yes, he did. He then sold it to Gruhn Guitars a while back. Don't know anything about its prior history, but maybe others here might. "

    Well, now we know the answer. If George Gruhn reads this thread, he might have a fucking myocardial infarction.

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    Re: I think I found Beano

    Quote Originally Posted by JJ Blair View Post
    They are.
    Off or shadows?

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    Re: I think I found Beano

    Quote Originally Posted by Banker View Post
    I've had reason to secure expert legal opinion on this question recently, PM me if concerned.
    John,

    It sounds like you have one hell of a story to tell...if you choose.

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    Re: I think I found Beano

    Holy cow, very compelling. Nice job at observing those small details.

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    Re: I think I found Beano

    Quote Originally Posted by hoss View Post
    Off or shadows?
    They are shadows. Line up perfectly with the strings.

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    Re: I think I found Beano

    I want to believe!


    ..But the inlays aren't matching up.

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    Re: I think I found Beano

    OH NO!
    First the catalog burst, now Beano.
    Whatever will we fixate on next?

    Seriously, looks like a pretty strong argument based on grain fingerprint - WOW!
    QUIRKYBURST a.k.a. Jeff

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    Re: I think I found Beano

    Quote Originally Posted by JJ Blair View Post
    Except ... I don't see evidence of Grovers on 0 2183. You decide.
    I may be just imagining this (because I'd REALLY like to believe as well), but does it look like Beano didn't have the face plate washers installed to anyone else? I know this is a long shot, but if so, that would explain the absence of the marks from them on the face of the headstock of 0 2183.

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    Re: I think I found Beano

    I think you could be right about the front of the headstock.

    Now, what about the back of the headstock?

    Like many others, I have owned guitars that originally had the factory Klusons changed to Grovers (so obviously know what that looks like), but what about changing back to the original Klusons - what holes/evidence would that leave, and if there would be visible holes, can they be repaired well?


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    Re: I think I found Beano

    Quote Originally Posted by Hydrogen View Post
    I want to believe!


    ..But the inlays aren't matching up.
    I don't see anything that rules it out. The B&W pics are so grainy, lack detail, and you see string shadows and not really any inlay detail.


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    Re: I think I found Beano

    Wouldn't any marks the Grovers would leave on the back be covered by the Klusons, if put back on?

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    Re: I think I found Beano

    Quote Originally Posted by VonPrikler View Post
    I think you could be right about the front of the headstock.

    Now, what about the back of the headstock?

    Like many others, I have owned guitars that originally had the factory Klusons changed to Grovers (so obviously know what that looks like), but what about changing back to the original Klusons - what holes/evidence would that leave, and if there would be visible holes, can they be repaired well?
    The one screw on a Grover fits exactly into the lower Kluson hole.

    Wouldn't any marks the Grovers would leave on the back be covered by the Klusons, if put back on?
    They happen to fit neatly inside the Kluson marks. (The extra screw holes on this were from Schallers.)


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    Re: I think I found Beano

    That grain similarity is pretty strong.

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    Re: I think I found Beano

    IF Grovers were used with different headstock bushings, then perhaps since there was no pressure pulling the Grover tight from being screwed down from the face, the imprint in the back could be lesser? As it was only being held by one screw...

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    Re: I think I found Beano

    If this is indeed Beano, whatever repair work (however minor) that would have been associated with changing tuners back to Klusons would also be consistent with the fact that the pickup covers (or possibly the pickups themselves) would have obviously been changed since Clapton would have owned it.

    In other words... if this is indeed Beano, based on pickup covers alone, we would not expect the guitar to be an untouched time capsule back to 1966.

    So, possibly a minor change like the pickup covers could be consistent with another equally minor change like the tuners...

    ...if that makes sense!

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    Re: I think I found Beano

    Quote Originally Posted by Hydrogen View Post
    I want to believe!


    ..But the inlays aren't matching up.
    Also, I'm having a really hard time finding another Burst where the 15th fret inlay is right up against the lower fret like it is here.


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    Re: I think I found Beano

    Maybe. Grover radial lines at 2, 6 and 10 oclock def show up if the bushings were tightened on the front squeezing the marks into the back of the headstock.
    No nut bushings on the front, no radial imprints on the back . . . Maybe !

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    Re: I think I found Beano

    You would think that there would be some better photos of Beano out there...somewhere. They had good cameras in the '60s.

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    Re: I think I found Beano

    Perhaps the manner in which he fastened the Grovers to the headstock back in 1966, and the degree to which he tightened them against the wood, would be considered unorthodox by today's standards, given that this would have been a total amateur installation?

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    Re: I think I found Beano

    Quote Originally Posted by JJ Blair View Post
    Statute of limitations, I believe.
    The statute of limitations varies according to laws of the township, city, county, municipality, district, state, and/or country where the police report was filed. If a police report has been filed for grand theft, the statute of limitations is usually three to five years. However, in the case of stolen art the statute can be decades. If the criminal(s) are discovered selling the stolen property after the statute of limitations has passed, then the statute in most cases does not apply and the criminal(s) will be prosecuted.
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