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    my Ex now in the arms of Jimmy Page - sweet J-200








    I used to own this 1965 Gibson J-200 (early 65 > all 64 specs) that made the July 2014 issue of Guitar World magazine with Jimmy Page

    It feels great to see it again and now in the hands of the man who I feel is the greatest - and who's music I love and through it made me a better player > thank you Jimmy

    The following is an excerpt from the Magazine Article (Yea - I sold it to Perry - one of the coolest guy's on the planet)

    http://www.guitarworld.com/led-vault...itars-and-more

    from the Link above - Scroll about 2/3 of the way down and look for this question >
    On the photo shoot for this issue, you specifically brought two acoustic guitars with you. Could you explain the significance of each?

    2nd Paragraph >
    The second guitar is a mid-Sixties Gibson J-200, similar to the one I used to record all the acoustic parts on the first album. The J-200 used on Led Zeppelin it belonged to Mickey Most, the producer of the Yardbirds, and it was an amazing-sounding instrument. He graciously let me use it for the first album but didn’t let me use it for the second album, because, I think, by then he knew he wasn’t going to be the producer. [laughs]

    Mickey owned the acoustic and a great Fifties Strat with a maple neck, and he kept them in his studio. Unfortunately, many years later, someone stole them—they just took a walk. He told me, and I said, “Mickey, I’m so desperately sorry to hear that.” They were his instruments, man! That’s terrible.

    So, anyway, I thought it was fair to bring the Harmony and a J-200 to the shoot. The Gibson is, of course, not the original—I wasn’t the one who stole it! But I was talking with guitar collector Perry Margouleff about Mickey’s guitar and we were able to determine the model, because the one I played had a Tune-o-matic bridge, and there weren’t many of those made. Now that I’ve said that, they’ll probably triple in price! Perry recently found one and gave it to me for my 70th birthday, and I really thank him for that.

    Here are some shots of when I possessed her:









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    Re: my Ex now in the arms of Jimmy Page - sweet J-200

    Beautiful. I love a Stinger.

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    Re: my Ex now in the arms of Jimmy Page - sweet J-200

    Right on!!!

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    Re: my Ex now in the arms of Jimmy Page - sweet J-200

    Cant believe Im still learning stuff after having been here for so long. had no idea about ABR acoustics!

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    Re: my Ex now in the arms of Jimmy Page - sweet J-200

    Oddities, like the plastic bridges on '63 Hummingbirds.....which sound much better.

    Nice guitar and a great story.

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    Re: my Ex now in the arms of Jimmy Page - sweet J-200

    Did it have that large transverse brace inside with the top dampener thing?

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    Re: my Ex now in the arms of Jimmy Page - sweet J-200

    Thanks very very cool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moonweasel View Post
    Cant believe Im still learning stuff after having been here for so long. had no idea about ABR acoustics!
    +1!

    VGnut - Super cool, and thanks for sharing!

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    Re: my Ex now in the arms of Jimmy Page - sweet J-200

    from your Op > All comments from all are very welcome and thank you for your comments

    It's a great guitar

    I'll respond in more detail >

    moonweasel: ABR-1 was standard equipment on the 60's J-200 and Doves

    Banker: agree 100% that Plastic Bridges do sound great, and thanks for the comment on the story and guitar

    Prototype: Yes it did have the Transverse Brace - with the Bolt (screw) backed off the Top - it came to me that way and I always kept it that way (no excessive sinking of Top)
    Here is more information for those interested in learning more on this engineering marvel, thanks to the UMGF >
    http://theunofficialmartinguitarforu...1#.VBX0Y8t0ypo

    mbowen: Hey Mike B - nice to hear from you - I know I owe you a Thread on my 59 ES-335 Stop Tail Factory Black > take a look - I just got it done:
    http://www.lespaulforum.com/forum/sh...d.php?t=190237

    - I know its important to contribute - It was seeing that Vic joined up that FINALLY gave me the kick in the ass to create a Thread and share more about this J-200... and we know what a Zep fan Vic is !


    Here is a little more >

    This Video quality is terrible, but what a great performance - a TRUE Artist

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCnQZIe-lG0

    and a vintage pic >

    Last edited by VGNut; 09-21-14 at 12:48 PM.

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    Re: my Ex now in the arms of Jimmy Page - sweet J-200

    Cool that your ex is gettin some Jimmy lovin

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    Re: my Ex now in the arms of Jimmy Page - sweet J-200

    Man, your ex is foxy!

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    Re: my Ex now in the arms of Jimmy Page - sweet J-200

    Vic will love it and be GREEN i am sure,Jimmy is his hero and main influence IMO.Thanks again for the great threads you posted.Guys check out the 59 Factory Black Stoptail 335,VG {sorry i do not know your real name}just posted.Insane guitar,really like new one in a million or more.Now i am GREEN with Vic.

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    Re: my Ex now in the arms of Jimmy Page - sweet J-200

    Great guitar and story!

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    Re: my Ex now in the arms of Jimmy Page - sweet J-200

    Thank you for sharing! Beautiful guitar.

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    I’m really late to this party, but I have to say I’m super happy to read more about the provenance of this guitar. I’m a huge Page fan (really someone who should be put in a straight jacket) and this is really exciting!

    I’ve often wondered if J-200s with the more common bridges can be modded to accommodate a bridge with the plastic saddles like these relatively few guitars had? They are so scarce and J-200s are expensive already, but the sounds that these ABR bridge equipped models had/have is from the heavens!

    The original Big Jim Sullivan/Mickie Most J-200 was also used on the ‘Little Games’ album version of “White Summer”...stick a mic at the sound hole and whack up the compression and voila! Ecstasy.

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    Best "Throwback Thread" during the Coronavirus lockdown to date!

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    In the article, Jimmy states that Most would not let him use the original J-200 to record the second album. That leads me to wonder if the J-200 seen on The Julie Felix Show was the Big Jim Sullivan/Mickie Most J-200 after all. The Julie Felix Show with Jimmy was broadcast on April 26, 1970 well after the second album sessions. I don’t know of any confirmed pictures of the original guitar. One thing that’s for sure is that the J-200 used on the Julie Felix clip is one with an ABR and the plastic saddles.

    Another thing that Jimmy’s statement about Most not letting him use the guitar for the second album sessions leaves me wondering: I believe I hear a J-200 sound on “Ramble On” and the acoustic guitar on “Thank You”, the only acoustic tracks on the second album. There are photos of Jimmy in the studio using an Eko Ranger six string acoustic, but those photos are from the recording of the “La-La” track in progress only released on the deluxe edition of ‘Led Zeppelin II’ so I can’t say that the Eko Ranger was for sure used on “Ramble On” and “Thank You”. My ears tell me J-200, but my ears are certainly fallible!

    But if what Jimmy says about Most not letting him use his J-200 after the first album sessions, then that would make the J-200 used on The Julie Felix Show a DIFFERENT J-200 equipped with an ABR bridge and it makes it a possibility that Jimmy scored another ABR equipped J-200 to record “Ramble On” and “Thank You”!

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    Quote Originally Posted by garbeaj View Post
    In the article, Jimmy states that Most would not let him use the original J-200 to record the second album. That leads me to wonder if the J-200 seen on The Julie Felix Show was the Big Jim Sullivan/Mickie Most J-200 after all. The Julie Felix Show with Jimmy was broadcast on April 26, 1970 well after the second album sessions. I don’t know of any confirmed pictures of the original guitar. One thing that’s for sure is that the J-200 used on the Julie Felix clip is one with an ABR and the plastic saddles.

    Another thing that Jimmy’s statement about Most not letting him use the guitar for the second album sessions leaves me wondering: I believe I hear a J-200 sound on “Ramble On” and the acoustic guitar on “Thank You”, the only acoustic tracks on the second album. There are photos of Jimmy in the studio using an Eko Ranger six string acoustic, but those photos are from the recording of the “La-La” track in progress only released on the deluxe edition of ‘Led Zeppelin II’ so I can’t say that the Eko Ranger was for sure used on “Ramble On” and “Thank You”. My ears tell me J-200, but my ears are certainly fallible!

    But if what Jimmy says about Most not letting him use his J-200 after the first album sessions, then that would make the J-200 used on The Julie Felix Show a DIFFERENT J-200 equipped with an ABR bridge and it makes it a possibility that Jimmy scored another ABR equipped J-200 to record “Ramble On” and “Thank You”!
    Interesting discussion...but yes on Led Zeppelin II the main acoustics were Eko Ranger VI and XII, not the J200:





    IMO the sounds of Ramble On and Thank you definitely belong to dreads.

    Rangers were popular back then especially in 12 strings format because they were heavily made and you could tune to standard pitch.

    The downside is that being made of very sturdy plywood, metal bridge, bolt on neck they are not very resonant and they have a feeble sound, but in studio it doesn´t matter much.

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    Hopefully the ‘Jimmy Page: Anthology’ book will shed more definitive light on the acoustic used on “Ramble On” and “Thank You”...

    We can’t say that an Eko Ranger six string acoustic was or was not used on “Ramble On” or “Thank You”. The only confirmed acoustic guitar for the album came with Page’s caption for the picture of him in the studio with the Eko Ranger six string which says that the picture was taken during the recording of “La-La”. Now we could guess that the instrumentation on “Thank You” was fairly similar to that on “La-La” and it might well have been recorded at or near the same time with the same setup. But still, no confirmation on my guess.

    But, if the Julie Felix Show J-200 is NOT the Mickie Most J-200 and it is a DIFFERENT guitar with the same ABR spec, then he apparently sourced another one just for that TV session. And it was relatively soon after the second album came out, so theoretically he could have used this possibly different J-200 with the same ABR spec for one or both of the two acoustic tracks on the second album, “Ramble On” and “Thank You”. I feel like I hear J-200 on that BEAUTIFUL strummed six string acoustic on “Ramble On” and possibly those lovely, simple parts on “Thank You”, including of course the solo.

    I hear a startling similarity to this sound and the famous J-200 sounds from Townshend on “Pinball Wizard” and other parts of ‘Tommy’ and that still leads me to believe that a J-200 could have been used on the “Ramble On” acoustic track. Still no proof so I could absolutely be wrong!

    Just to be clear, there are no acoustic twelve string guitars on the second album. The only twelve string on the album is the Vox Phantom Electric XII used on “Living Loving Maid (She’s Just A Woman)” and “Thank You”, so there was definitely no Eko Ranger XII on the album.

    Also, the picture you posted with Page and an Eko acoustic twelve string is from a performance of “Tangerine” from the Australian tour in late February of 1972. This was shortly after the fourth album was released, which had no acoustic twelve string either. I reckon he could have used that Eko XII on the third album recording of “Tangerine” a few years before, but no concrete proof of that yet either. I know Jimmy got at least two different Giannini twelve string acoustics and at least one six string model around the recording of ‘Houses Of The Holy” and the resulting 1972-1973 to touring cycle behind it, but that would only be relevant to the recording of that album.
    Last edited by garbeaj; 04-17-20 at 09:06 AM.

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    Re: my Ex now in the arms of Jimmy Page - sweet J-200

    Back in the late `90's and early 2000's I played with Gordon Waller (of Peter & Gordon fame) he had a very lovely J-200 with a T-o-M. That guitar played great and sounded wonderful! I wonder where it is now.. Around 2006 he & his wife splitup and he moved from Glendale (Cali) to Vegas and then Connecticut, so no telling what's happened to it since he passed in mid 2009.. That and his J-160E that John Lennon use to borrow from him in the studio.

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    Quote Originally Posted by garbeaj View Post

    Just to be clear, there are no acoustic twelve string guitars on the second album. The only twelve string on the album is the Vox Phantom Electric XII used on “Living Loving Maid (She’s Just A Woman)” and “Thank You”, so there was definitely no Eko Ranger XII on the album.

    Also, the picture you posted with Page and an Eko acoustic twelve string is from a performance of “Tangerine” from the Australian tour in late February of 1972. This was shortly after the fourth album was released, which had no acoustic twelve string either.
    Sorry but the sound of "Thank you" is clearly acoustic. I know that because I play that sound pretty well....the rest of your post is pure speculation: the guitar in Ramble on is definitely a dreadnought, anybody who plays "Babe I´m goona leave you" on a dread immediately notice the sound is very different from the record, because Jimmy used a maple Super Jumbo (The J-200).

    Also, your statement that in Led Zep IV is false too, as Jimmy Page clearly wrote about Stairway to heaven:

    “I had an idea for a piece that was going to involve acoustic 12-strings, a layering of guitars and a 6-string solo,” says Jimmy Page.
    https://www.loudersound.com/features...guitar-classic

    In the final version there are 12 strings acoustic and electric tracks, like 6 strings acoustics and electrics.

    Finally there is an acoustic 12 strings in "battle of evermore".

    Out of curiosity, where do you find all these beliefs that you state as matters of fact?
    Last edited by wulfthar; 04-09-20 at 01:57 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wulfthar View Post
    Sorry but the sound of "Thank you" is clearly acoustic. I know that because I play that sound pretty well....the rest of your post is pure speculation
    Are you seriously saying that you KNOW and can prove that the sound of “Thank You” is clearly acoustic based solely on your contention that you “play that sound pretty well”?! That is one of the most glaring statements of pure speculation that I’ve ever heard, barring everything said by Donald Trump.

    Quote Originally Posted by wulfthar View Post
    Also, your statement that in Led Zep IV is false too, as Jimmy Page clearly wrote about Stairway to heaven:



    https://www.loudersound.com/features...guitar-classic
    First this article has no reference for this supposed statement from Page, but if we take the quote literally, he is speaking about how he originally conceived “Stairway To Heaven”, NOT how he recorded it.
    Quote Originally Posted by wulfthar View Post
    In the final version there are 12 strings acoustic and electric tracks, like 6 strings acoustics and electrics.

    Finally there is an acoustic 12 strings in "battle of evermore".
    None of this is factually true and you have not presented any evidence to back up this claim that is based solely on your opinion, at least insofar as you have presented these claims here. In point of fact, there are no 12-string acoustic guitars on the fourth album recording of “The Battle of Evermore”. That track simply has 6-string acoustic guitar and mandolin.

    Quote Originally Posted by wulfthar View Post
    Out of curiosity, where do you find all these beliefs that you state as matters of fact?
    If I have stated anything as a matter of fact, it is based on and supported by decades of research and study of interviews (most often with Page himself), studying, transcribing and learning to play the material from recordings both official and unofficial on live and studio albums. Anything else that is based solely on my opinion I have identified as such.

    By the way...https://www.lespaulforum.com/forum/s...93Thank-You%94
    Last edited by garbeaj; 04-17-20 at 09:08 AM.

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