landminelenny
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They're the pertinent questions.
Just saying, you only get burned if you play with fire.
( that's a decent song title ...)
Joe B
It is important to also know the tell tale signs of Skullduggery. Split tops, Heel joints, top carves of both real with "issues" and all out fakes. The Romans had a two word saying for it. Caveat Emptor. As a buyer you have to do the due dilligence yourself first then buy only from trusted sources that you yourself feel comfortable with. English guys with a P as the first letter in their name might be a good place not to start if say in the market for a burst or Marshall combo. Just saying, you only get burned if you play with fire.
( that's a decent song title ...)
Joe B
English guys with a P as the first letter in their name might be a good place not to start if say in the market for a burst or Marshall combo.
There are museum curators and art collectors who have been fooled
http://www.artsandartists.org/exhibitions-intenttodeceive.php
investigative reporters who have been fooled (Hitler diaries, anyone?)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitler_Diaries,
vintage guitar experts who have been fooled and so on. Your advice to "know the telltale signs" is great but the good forgers know those as well and how to avoid them. Buying from trusted sources can mean a lot of things, but sometimes it only means that you can trust that there are no intentions of fraud. Due diligence is great but it only goes so far. Provenance may still your best bet but is no guarantee either. When you buy a high dollar vintage guitar you are playing with fire......always. Just my opinion, off course.
If you have handled enough real guitars the fire becomes smoldering ambers. If you are vintage guitar dealer and get fooled by a fake for more than 12 hours, you should try another profession. That should be your professional obligation to do the due diligence or take the guitar back if sold with the utmost humbleness.
Joe B
If you have handled enough real guitars the fire becomes smoldering ambers. If you are vintage guitar dealer and get fooled by a fake for more than 12 hours, you should try another profession. That should be your professional obligation to do the due diligence or take the guitar back if sold with the utmost humbleness.
Joe B
Well put!A member of the other forum posted a NGD thread showing a '54 GT from the same seller. The buyer must have been stunned to see the the replies pointing out some rather alarming issues.
...at some point in the near future, another poor soul is going to find this forum, and then join the forum, after buying one of these guitars.
If you have handled enough real guitars the fire becomes smoldering ambers.
If you are vintage guitar dealer and get fooled by a fake for more than 12 hours, you should try another profession.
That should be your professional obligation to do the due diligence or take the guitar back if sold with the utmost humbleness.
... that or consult the Yeti guide to vintage guitars
... and disregard anything I have to say. Cause I've never done the dance and am a mere outsider looking in wannabe hobbyist :dude: :##
Joe B
There's a reason Ganzler won't verify Fenders.
I'd imagine with his fees it's not cost effective for the potential buyer.
I spent a reasonable amount of money with Joe on a guitar, sight unseen, deal done with a single 5 minute phone call.
He did everything that would be expected and more, was extremely up front about every single detail and baby walked it to my door. Most professional deal guitar purchase I've been part of.
My only complaint was that I paid for lunch, and that was in the pre-skinny Joe days.