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    Re: The Red Thread: Factory Red Gibsons from the Golden Era

    That is incorrect. Both versions of the Trini have the 24 3/4 scale while the Kessell has the 25 1/2. Here the page from the '66 catalog:
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    Re: The Red Thread: Factory Red Gibsons from the Golden Era

    Measure one...

    http://www.lespaulforum.com/forum/sh...d.php?t=182893



    From Fretted America's website:

    "This extremely rare Cherry Sunburst custom version (with the Barney Kessel-style body rather than the normal ES-335 body) is one of only two Trini Lopez Customs shipped in the first year of 1964, out of a total of 302 shipped between 1964 and 1970. It weighs 7.50 lbs. and a nice, fat nut width of 1 11/16 inches and a scale length of 25 1/2 inches."


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    Re: The Red Thread: Factory Red Gibsons from the Golden Era

    I'm just going by the catalog specs, which as we know can sometimes be wrong.
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    Re: The Red Thread: Factory Red Gibsons from the Golden Era

    (EDIT: Looks like the one with the narrow pickup spacing is Trini's actual guitar and there are no other Deluxes with the short scale.)

    Compare the Deluxe on the right to the catalog.

    Last edited by abalonevintage; 02-10-14 at 10:07 PM.

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    Re: The Red Thread: Factory Red Gibsons from the Golden Era

    Well, at least I remembered that at least one Trini Deluxe was short scale, lol!
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    Re: The Red Thread: Factory Red Gibsons from the Golden Era

    How about this L5CT beauty that recently showed up at Wildwood Guitars.





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    Re: The Red Thread: Factory Red Gibsons from the Golden Era

    Well, at least I remembered that at least one Trini Deluxe was short scale, lol!
    The only reason I figured it out was because I have some NOS 60's fingerboards...that didn't conform to anything I was reading....books...catalogs. All parroting the wrong info.

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    Re: The Red Thread: Factory Red Gibsons from the Golden Era

    Quote Originally Posted by abalonevintage View Post
    The only reason I figured it out was because I have some NOS 60's fingerboards...that didn't conform to anything I was reading....books...catalogs. All parroting the wrong info.
    Welcome to the wild, crazy ride that is Gibson, lol!
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    Red guitars from Gibson's new golden age:



    Might not be vintage, but each is a great guitar!

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    Re: The Red Thread: Factory Red Gibsons from the Golden Era

    Not from the Golden Era. But I always loved this one.

    ES 135 Swingmaster






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    Re: The Red Thread: Factory Red Gibsons from the Golden Era

    Quote Originally Posted by Phil 52 View Post
    Not from the Golden Era. But I always loved this one.

    ES 135 Swingmaster





    Damn..that is a looong Bigsby handle!

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    Re: The Red Thread: Factory Red Gibsons from the Golden Era

    Quote Originally Posted by Kris Ford View Post
    Damn..that is a looong Bigsby handle!
    Always my thoughts.
    Alas, I never found one of these Swingmasters in any store.
    But if so, I'd changed the handle to one normal sized.

    ... she was mumblin' to some howlin' wolf about some voodoo healin'

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    Re: Red guitars from Gibson's new golden age:

    Quote Originally Posted by Danny W. View Post


    Might not be vintage, but each is a great guitar!

    Danny W.
    The L5 at lower left kills!
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    Re: Red guitars from Gibson's new golden age:

    Quote Originally Posted by DanD View Post
    The L5 at lower left kills!
    It is a really beautiful guitar:



    Danny W.

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    Re: The Red Thread: Factory Red Gibsons from the Golden Era

    Quote Originally Posted by JimR56 View Post
    Was just doing some online searching, and came across something I'd seen before, but hadn't posted here. This one is a '61, apparently custom ordered with a red body and a black top. At least the back photo belongs in this thread (but I'll post both).




    Rare bird!
    Just came back to this thread and I have to say that this is for sure one of the most beautiful guitars I've ever seen.
    ... and while turning 62 this summer, I've seen a few.

    ... she was mumblin' to some howlin' wolf about some voodoo healin'

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    Re: The Red Thread: Factory Red Gibsons from the Golden Era

    Sure is gorgeous! Rather than having to choose between elegant black and rich cherry red you get to enjoy both!

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    Re: The Red Thread: Factory Red Gibsons from the Golden Era

    Here's my 1961 ES-355...


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    Re: The Red Thread: Factory Red Gibsons from the Golden Era

    Stoptail, Mono!

    ... she was mumblin' to some howlin' wolf about some voodoo healin'

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    Re: The Red Thread: Factory Red Gibsons from the Golden Era

    One of the rarest.

    Grady Martin's " Big Red" , now in the possession of Pete Wade.


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    Re: The Red Thread: Factory Red Gibsons from the Golden Era

    Quote Originally Posted by bramley View Post
    One of the rarest.

    Grady Martin's " Big Red" , now in the possession of Pete Wade.

    What is that thing? It looks like an ES-355 that got assimilated by the Steampunk Borg.

    Heiko

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    Re: The Red Thread: Factory Red Gibsons from the Golden Era

    355 - AFAIK delivered like that from the factory to Grady Martin who at the time was one of the biggest session players around. The aluminum levers are an early string bending system . http://www.vintageguitar.com/3698/je...ordon-kennedy/

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    Re: The Red Thread: Factory Red Gibsons from the Golden Era

    Finally, another example that really belongs in this thread. Reported to be a '53 ES-295 custom. Its history is a little unclear, but it's a beauty:





    And it's for sale: http://guitarbroker.com/products/195...hru-cherry-red

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    Re: The Red Thread: Factory Red Gibsons from the Golden Era

    Sorry. My mistake.
    Last edited by Tom Wittrock; 08-18-14 at 03:54 PM. Reason: off subject
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    Re: The Red Thread: Factory Red Gibsons from the Golden Era

    Again guys, from post #1:

    Quote Originally Posted by captaincanada View Post
    After seeing J45's pictures of his red hollowbodies in another thread, I was inspired to start a thread on these red beauties. Please add any pictures you may have of factory red Gibsons from the 50s and 60s.

    I'm not really talking about the common examples like cherry SGs and ES-335s, I'm talking about models that don't usually come in red, or custom examples like Sparkling Burgandy, Cardinal Red...

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    Re: The Red Thread: Factory Red Gibsons from the Golden Era

    Quote Originally Posted by JimR56 View Post
    Again guys, from post #1:



    Sorry ... I edited it out. I forgot the first post message, after so long.

    I hope this one is okay.

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    Re: The Red Thread: Factory Red Gibsons from the Golden Era

    That one must be okay, because it was the first one posted by the guy who started the thread. (Don't worry, this is the kind of thing I do all the time. ).

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    Re: The Red Thread: Factory Red Gibsons from the Golden Era

    Quote Originally Posted by JimR56 View Post
    That one must be okay, because it was the first one posted by the guy who started the thread. (Don't worry, this is the kind of thing I do all the time. ).
    He even used my photo.
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    Re: The Red Thread: Factory Red Gibsons from the Golden Era

    Did Gibson really use their classic cherry aniline dye as early as '53, or is that 295 a refin? I can't recall such an early example. I know they used some cherry in their really early days but on an electric? In 1953?
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    Re: The Red Thread: Factory Red Gibsons from the Golden Era

    Quote Originally Posted by treeofpain View Post
    Here's my 1961 ES-355...

    I'm in love!!!
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    Re: The Red Thread: Factory Red Gibsons from the Golden Era

    Quote Originally Posted by Elliot Easton View Post
    Did Gibson really use their classic cherry aniline dye as early as '53, or is that 295 a refin? I can't recall such an early example. I know they used some cherry in their really early days but on an electric? In 1953?
    It doesn't seem likely.
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    Re: The Red Thread: Factory Red Gibsons from the Golden Era

    Quote Originally Posted by TW59 View Post
    It doesn't seem likely.
    I guess this would be one of those instances of "extraordinary claims require evidence". Not extraordinary evidence, any plain ol' evidence will do.

    Brilliant guitar, though!

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    Re: The Red Thread: Factory Red Gibsons from the Golden Era

    Quote Originally Posted by Greasy G View Post
    I guess this would be one of those instances of "extraordinary claims require evidence". Not extraordinary evidence, any plain ol' evidence will do.

    Brilliant guitar, though!
    I had a mid 50s, single P-90 ES-175 in cherry. I had to conclude it was a refin. But it sure looked killer!
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    Re: The Red Thread: Factory Red Gibsons from the Golden Era

    Quote Originally Posted by Elliot Easton View Post
    Did Gibson really use their classic cherry aniline dye as early as '53, or is that 295 a refin? I can't recall such an early example. I know they used some cherry in their really early days but on an electric? In 1953?
    Quote Originally Posted by TW59 View Post
    It doesn't seem likely.
    I agree. To be fair, the description does include the idea that it could have been built in '53 and finished later (but 4+ years later?), but that doesn't seem much more likely than a 1953 ES-295 in cherry.

    This seller is experienced, and I've followed his inventory for years, but I've never actually dealt with him. Fwiw.

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    Re: The Red Thread: Factory Red Gibsons from the Golden Era

    Quote Originally Posted by JimR56 View Post
    This seller is experienced, and I've followed his inventory for years, but I've never actually dealt with him. Fwiw.
    I bought a cool Guild archtop from him last year and I have no complaints whatsoever.

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    Re: The Red Thread: Factory Red Gibsons from the Golden Era

    Quote Originally Posted by TW59 View Post
    I had a mid 50s, single P-90 ES-175 in cherry. I had to conclude it was a refin. But it sure looked killer!
    I suppose you don't have any pictures, do you?

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    Re: The Red Thread: Factory Red Gibsons from the Golden Era

    Quote Originally Posted by JimR56 View Post
    Was just doing some online searching, and came across something I'd seen before, but hadn't posted here. This one is a '61, apparently custom ordered with a red body and a black top. At least the back photo belongs in this thread (but I'll post both).



    Rare bird!
    Holy...that is IT! What a guitar.

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    Re: The Red Thread: Factory Red Gibsons from the Golden Era

    Quote Originally Posted by Greasy G View Post
    I suppose you don't have any pictures, do you?
    I do, but my scanner no longer works. I took the photo in my shop in January of 1978. My notes from that time say it was serial number A21011 with FON: W 1120-8.
    It also says it was refinished in the 60s with the serial number pressed into the back of the headstock.
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    Re: The Red Thread: Factory Red Gibsons from the Golden Era

    Quote Originally Posted by TW59 View Post
    I do, but my scanner no longer works. I took the photo in my shop in January of 1978. My notes from that time say it was serial number A21011 with FON: W 1120-8.
    It also says it was refinished in the 60s with the serial number pressed into the back of the headstock.
    Thanks. Who knows, maybe it will turn up at that special moment in time when my wallet overflows.

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    Re: The Red Thread: Factory Red Gibsons from the Golden Era

    It's always a bit surprising to see a 60's Gibson in sparkling burgundy that hasn't faded or started to turn that golden color from the metallic content of the paint. I just came across this '68 345 on ebay. Looks like it's barely been touched, let alone played. It's being offered by Olivia's, which means there are a ton of great photos:

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/original-196...-/371131538641








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    Re: The Red Thread: Factory Red Gibsons from the Golden Era

    If I were right-handed.........bang, zoom!
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