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    Re: Gold Top greening gallery

    Quote Originally Posted by zhivago View Post
    Excellent pics, Hoss...they capture the vibe of the guitar perfectly!
    Thanks. And vibe it has!

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    Re: Gold Top greening gallery

    Quote Originally Posted by nuance97 View Post
    Bumping an old thread, but I thought y'all might like some pics of my friends '56 Lester. Plenty of greening on this one...





    I LOVE how the flame is showing in the arm wear!

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    Re: Gold Top greening gallery

    An uber clean '68 that I own.






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    Re: Gold Top greening gallery

    A little bit'o'greening, and a whole lot of checking


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    Re: Gold Top greening gallery

    Under the pickguard.

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    Re: Gold Top greening gallery







    I had this in my shop, very early,notice no binding.

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    Re: Gold Top greening gallery

    Thanks, DOTMKR! Welcome

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    Re: Gold Top greening gallery

    I own a 2001 R-7 that has greening where my arm rests. Is this expected from the Gibson finish used in this era? I seem to remember that this was one of the "improvements" or changes to get closer to a true '57. I can post photos if needed. I love the greening!
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    Re: Gold Top greening gallery

    Quote Originally Posted by gavindale View Post
    I own a 2001 R-7 that has greening where my arm rests. Is this expected from the Gibson finish used in this era? I seem to remember that this was one of the "improvements" or changes to get closer to a true '57. I can post photos if needed. I love the greening!
    That would not be an improvement in my book. That would indicate they are not using the correct gold color, which contains bronze [that's what turns green].
    I hope they never change to a gold that does not turn green [when exposed to air with moisture, etc.].
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    Re: Gold Top greening gallery

    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Wittrock View Post
    That would not be an improvement in my book. That would indicate they are not using the correct gold color, which contains bronze [that's what turns green].
    I hope they never change to a gold that does not turn green [when exposed to air with moisture, etc.].
    He is saying that it does turn green and that he thought it was a change that Gibson did to get back to a truer 50s finish,

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    Re: Gold Top greening gallery

    Quote Originally Posted by jimmi View Post
    He is saying that it does turn green and that he thought it was a change that Gibson did to get back to a truer 50s finish,
    Yes, I got that.
    I wouldn't call it an improvement, to stop the greening.


    Anyway, it's a question for the Historic area. I'm sure there he will get the answer.
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    Re: Gold Top greening gallery

    Greening of the finish itself if more like what happened to '68 and later GTs. '50s GTs don't green unless there is checking or finish wear that exposes the bronze layer to humidity or sweat.

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    Re: Gold Top greening gallery

    I love this thread!

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    Re: Gold Top greening gallery

    Quote Originally Posted by JJ Blair View Post
    Greening of the finish itself if more like what happened to '68 and later GTs. '50s GTs don't green unless there is checking or finish wear that exposes the bronze layer to humidity or sweat.
    What caused the 68 and newer Goldtops to "green", if not the same thing as the 50s versions?
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    Re: Gold Top greening gallery

    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Wittrock View Post
    Yes, I got that.
    I wouldn't call it an improvement, to stop the greening.


    Anyway, it's a question for the Historic area. I'm sure there he will get the answer.
    The "improvement" he talked about was not "to stop the greening", but to make the finish turn green like on the old ones. As in:

    - At first the historics didn't turn green
    - then, "improvement"
    - then, greenage

    Or, that's the way I read it at least ?
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    Re: Gold Top greening gallery

    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Wittrock View Post
    Yes, I got that.
    I wouldn't call it an improvement, to stop the greening.


    Anyway, it's a question for the Historic area. I'm sure there he will get the answer.
    Are you and I reading the same text? He said they green, you say yo wouldn't call it an improvement if it doesn't green. His is in fact greening so what are you tryIng to say? I don't see the point of disagreement with what Gibson has done. They have improved the finish by allowing it to green.

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    Re: Gold Top greening gallery

    Hi!

    Yes, what I was trying to say was that it is greening where my arm has worn through the top coat of clear, exposing the finish and has turned green. My understanding was that Gibson had added the "correct" bronze powder that had been used in the '50's Goldtop finishes.

    I apologize for this being discussed in this part of the forum. My original thought was that it was an appropriate post.
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    Re: Gold Top greening gallery

    Quote Originally Posted by jimmi View Post
    Are you and I reading the same text? He said they green, you say yo wouldn't call it an improvement if it doesn't green. His is in fact greening so what are you tryIng to say? I don't see the point of disagreement with what Gibson has done. They have improved the finish by allowing it to green.
    This many days later, I'm not sure.

    It seems like they should be using the same type of gold finish they used in the 50s.
    If it does what it has always done, where is it improved?
    This part of this thread is now too confusing for me.
    I thought we were in the Vintage area. My Goldtops will turn green when it is time, as they are all 50s models. What Gibson does today would seem to be a topic for a different Forum area.
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    Tom, you are correct. This is the wrong forum/thread for this topic and I apologize.

    I wish you, all of the moderators and everyone on the LPF, especially everyone that makes the LPF a reality, a very HAPPY NEW YEAR!

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    Re: Gold Top greening gallery

    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Wittrock View Post
    What caused the 68 and newer Goldtops to "green", if not the same thing as the 50s versions?
    I am not sure what exactly changed in their process to make this happen. The pic below is an excellent example. I tried to replicate it on a '69 refin I did, and it was a bitch.


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    Re: Gold Top greening gallery

    Quote Originally Posted by JJ Blair View Post
    I am not sure what exactly changed in their process to make this happen. The pic below is an excellent example. I tried to replicate it on a '69 refin I did, and it was a bitch.

    But, the finish is clearly "broken" or open along the binding. This allows moisture to enter the gold[bronze], just like on 5os era guitars.
    I suspect the clear coat on the late 60s models was different.
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    Re: Gold Top greening gallery

    Some have suspected possibly some bronze in the clear. I don't know, but it does look and feel different from the 50's greening.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Wittrock View Post
    This many days later, I'm not sure.

    It seems like they should be using the same type of gold finish they used in the 50s.
    If it does what it has always done, where is it improved?
    This part of this thread is now too confusing for me.
    I thought we were in the Vintage area. My Goldtops will turn green when it is time, as they are all 50s models. What Gibson does today would seem to be a topic for a different Forum area.
    improved because at some point they moved away from the formula that allowed it to green in the same way. Ie, the improvement is a return to the 50s paint or as close as they can.

    the thread is about greening 50s goldtops. This, while a bit tangential, is relevant I think.

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    Re: Gold Top greening gallery

    This is my 1984 Standard. I got it in '91 and it had a little greening around the edges. The rest is mine ;-) Does anyone have any insight into these early 80's gold tops? Interesting how it has a layer of gold at the very bottom that never greened. I've always wondered about the origins of this guitar, was it an early attempt at a reissue?

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    The cracking and greening of these 50s LPs is sublime

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patek View Post
    The cracking and greening of these 50s LPs is sublime
    Yes. If it was "plus lime" the green would be much more intense...


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    Re: Gold Top greening gallery

    I want to thank Photobucket for ruining a great thread.

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    I want to thank Photobucket for ruining a great thread.
    I thank them for ruining my life...I could'a been somebody...


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    My two goldtops, a 53 & 58. Just a little bit of greening on these two


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    My two goldtops, a 53 & 58. Just a little bit of greening on these two

    Wow the 53/58’s are so minty !

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    Re: Gold Top greening gallery

    Quote Originally Posted by Rud Bobbins View Post
    This is my 1984 Standard. I got it in '91 and it had a little greening around the edges. The rest is mine ;-) Does anyone have any insight into these early 80's gold tops? Interesting how it has a layer of gold at the very bottom that never greened. I've always wondered about the origins of this guitar, was it an early attempt at a reissue?

    Nobody is gonna say it? I mean, this one is an embarrassingly obvious amateur relic attempt gone wrong. No offence to the poster; genuinely curious why the others are being picked apart and nobody pointed this one out!

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    Quote Originally Posted by GuitBro View Post
    Nobody is gonna say it? I mean, this one is an embarrassingly obvious amateur relic attempt gone wrong. No offence to the poster; genuinely curious why the others are being picked apart and nobody pointed this one out!
    Sorry, but 100% not true. I purchased this in 91 at Guitar Exchange in Austin, TX. It already had a little greening especially around the control knobs. It just got worse. I was a touring guitar player during the early 90s and this was my workhorse. It really got eaten up where I put my wrist. And I will be the first to admit it is flat out ugly. Did not age gracefully unfortunately, but its all mine. I asked the question if anyone knows anything about it because I suspect it was Gibson's early rather-poor attempt at recreating the classic gold top finish but used the wrong ingredients. I've toyed with the idea of getting it refinished, but it just has too much history.


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    Re: Gold Top greening gallery

    Quote Originally Posted by Rud Bobbins View Post
    This is my 1984 Standard. I got it in '91 and it had a little greening around the edges. The rest is mine ;-) Does anyone have any insight into these early 80's gold tops? Interesting how it has a layer of gold at the very bottom that never greened. I've always wondered about the origins of this guitar, was it an early attempt at a reissue?

    They have used the double coat of gold since the 50s. It wears differently for a variety of reasons.
    It is also possible that there was a difference in how the two coats of gold were applied?

    All of these photos are my 56 conversion, G.I.Paul:









    This one shows how the aging of the gold changes from full exposure to being up against the pickguard.

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    Re: Gold Top greening gallery

    Quote Originally Posted by Rud Bobbins View Post
    Sorry, but 100% not true. I purchased this in 91 at Guitar Exchange in Austin, TX. It already had a little greening especially around the control knobs. It just got worse. I was a touring guitar player during the early 90s and this was my workhorse. It really got eaten up where I put my wrist. And I will be the first to admit it is flat out ugly. Did not age gracefully unfortunately, but its all mine. I asked the question if anyone knows anything about it because I suspect it was Gibson's early rather-poor attempt at recreating the classic gold top finish but used the wrong ingredients. I've toyed with the idea of getting it refinished, but it just has too much history.


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    The smeary green where my palm rested is green because I tried to clean it with some lacquer thinner to get it to be just gold. And yes, I totally made it worse. I stopped there...

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    Re: Gold Top greening gallery

    Quote Originally Posted by Rud Bobbins View Post
    Sorry, but 100% not true. I purchased this in 91 at Guitar Exchange in Austin, TX. It already had a little greening especially around the control knobs. It just got worse. I was a touring guitar player during the early 90s and this was my workhorse. It really got eaten up where I put my wrist. And I will be the first to admit it is flat out ugly. Did not age gracefully unfortunately, but its all mine. I asked the question if anyone knows anything about it because I suspect it was Gibson's early rather-poor attempt at recreating the classic gold top finish but used the wrong ingredients. I've toyed with the idea of getting it refinished, but it just has too much history.


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    I say leave it be. I don't think its ugy, FWIW. My Les Paul has a pretty deep gouge around the bridge pup that is all me and wouldn't change it for anything. You have your version of "Trigger", not some Murphy'd bullshit.
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    Re: Gold Top greening gallery

    Joining the club with my recent 1953 purchase. not much greening but plenty of wrinkles at the ripe old age of 66










































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    Quote Originally Posted by GuitBro View Post
    Nobody is gonna say it? I mean, this one is an embarrassingly obvious amateur relic attempt gone wrong. No offence to the poster; genuinely curious why the others are being picked apart and nobody pointed this one out!
    Excellent first (and probably last) post: self-righteous AND ill-informed. Daily double.

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    Joining the club with my recent 1953 purchase. not much greening but plenty of wrinkles at the ripe old age of 66
    That is just yummy. Nice photos, too!

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    Quote Originally Posted by tooold View Post
    That is just yummy. Nice photos, too!
    Thanks mate! Not bad for simply an iPhone (X) !

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