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    1980 LP... Shaw pickups?? What kind of Caps?

    Hello! First post. Hello everyone. Here are some pics of the pickups in question. The serial number of my guitar is 83460547. Are these Shaw pickups? If not, what kind are they. Also, can anyone tell me what kind of capacitors they were using and the pot types? See the pic as well. I have had this guitar since 1984. My father bought it for me just before my senior year of high school. Bought it in Colorado Springs from an ad in the paper. Came with a morley volume pedal and an Ibanez Analog delay AD9 pedal. All for $500. Anyway, thanks in advance for any enlightenment on my guitar's guts!
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    Re: 1980 LP... Shaw pickups?? What kind of Caps?

    Yes, they're Shaws.

    In the 80's they went to 300k vol/100k tone at some point. You'd need to measure yours to be sure what they are.

    Are the controls not behaving in a way you'd like???

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    Re: 1980 LP... Shaw pickups?? What kind of Caps?

    Quote Originally Posted by AJCR View Post
    Yes, they're Shaws.

    In the 80's they went to 300k vol/100k tone at some point. You'd need to measure yours to be sure what they are.

    Are the controls not behaving in a way you'd like???
    Hey! Thanks so much for the reply. Everything still functions completely normal, I was just wondering. I recently purchased a 60th anniversary 1959 LP and in the research process, I read so much about the capacitors, pots etc... and I was just wondering what I had in my original LP.

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    Re: 1980 LP... Shaw pickups?? What kind of Caps?

    You can spot Tim Shaws easily by looking on the bottom for Pamela Sue Andersons old land line ph number.

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    Re: 1980 LP... Shaw pickups?? What kind of Caps?

    Quote Originally Posted by AJCR View Post
    Yes, they're Shaws.

    In the 80's they went to 300k vol/100k tone at some point. You'd need to measure yours to be sure what they are.

    Are the controls not behaving in a way you'd like???
    No, they are not the reissue paf Shawbuckers. Why claim that they are?
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    Re: 1980 LP... Shaw pickups?? What kind of Caps?

    Those caps are original. Shaws will look like this.
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    Re: 1980 LP... Shaw pickups?? What kind of Caps?

    Those 300k pots will not do you any favors.

    Im not a fan of “always more treble”, but swapping that system out for 500k pots was a big move in a positive direction for my 86 prehistoric lp.

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    Re: 1980 LP... Shaw pickups?? What kind of Caps?

    Quote Originally Posted by Big Al View Post
    No, they are not the reissue paf Shawbuckers. Why claim that they are?
    Okay, so since they're not Shaws, what are they?

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    Re: 1980 LP... Shaw pickups?? What kind of Caps?

    Quote Originally Posted by guitplayer View Post
    Those caps are original. Shaws will look like this.
    Except those aren't. Correct base, incorrect ink stamp, lacking the 137/138 prefix found only on the Shaw spec paf reissue. Also lacking the brass bobbin attachment screws.
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    Re: 1980 LP... Shaw pickups?? What kind of Caps?

    Quote Originally Posted by cabalaska View Post
    Okay, so since they're not Shaws, what are they?
    They appear original so the pickups would be the evolved Ttop, "Original Humbucker", known now as the 498t & 496r pair. Excellent pups, IMO.
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    Re: 1980 LP... Shaw pickups?? What kind of Caps?

    Quote Originally Posted by Big Al View Post
    Except those aren't. Correct base, incorrect ink stamp, lacking the 137/138 prefix found only on the Shaw spec paf reissue. Also lacking the brass bobbin attachment screws.
    I think they are the earliest set of Shaws I`ve seen. They are out of an
    early production Heritage 80 elite.
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    Re: 1980 LP... Shaw pickups?? What kind of Caps?

    Quote Originally Posted by guitplayer View Post
    I think they are the earliest set of Shaws I`ve seen. They are out of an
    early production Heritage 80 elite.
    I had two Standard 80's from the first 20 made from the sequence numbers. Our store sold many and I jumped on them the second we were able to pre order. All four Owned were bought new in 1980, the last two were sequential numbers, 1371 and 1372. I still have the early 80's pickups and they, along with every other ones I've seen were as I described. None match your pics and I have doubts that they are Shaw spec pafs.
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    Re: 1980 LP... Shaw pickups?? What kind of Caps?

    Interesting... Shaws were made for those. I wonder why
    this early one had regular T-tops in it.
    Oh well!

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    Re: 1980 LP... Shaw pickups?? What kind of Caps?

    Quote Originally Posted by guitplayer View Post
    Interesting... Shaws were made for those. I wonder why
    this early one had regular T-tops in it.
    Oh well!
    Who can say for sure? I do know that the Shaws had a unique inductance spec and if you could measure that it would indicate what they are. I cannot get to my notes now but IIRC I think it was around 4-5 henries and the resonate peak around 7Khrz. I am not absolutely sure as it was a long time ago, but I am sure it was unlike any other Gibson Humbucker at the time.

    Regardless, wouldn't you agree that your pics are not representative of this pickup and only confuse the issue? The June 1980 date stamp is after the appearance of the guitars and pickups, IIRC. I'd have to check my old records but I think it was early in 80 that I purchased mine as I have photo's playing it at early gigs. Mine are all stamped in ink 13780 or 13880 and appear quite different from your pics. One has no apparent stamp havn rubbed off.

    The pics you show appear the same as late issue Ttops. What is the sequence number of this early Elite 80? Did you buy it new? I have such fond memories of this series.
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    Re: 1980 LP... Shaw pickups?? What kind of Caps?

    Cool, I bought it used. It was original. But I put antiquities
    in. And put the originals back in when I sold it. It was 0086
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    Re: 1980 LP... Shaw pickups?? What kind of Caps?

    Quote Originally Posted by Big Al View Post
    No, they are not the reissue paf Shawbuckers. Why claim that they are?
    I would classify them as shaw era PAFs
    There a lot of variations of base plates six holes twelve holes short legs long legs. One thing that I always see is the red or yellow paint marks on the end of the leads!

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    Re: 1980 LP... Shaw pickups?? What kind of Caps?

    Quote Originally Posted by guitplayer View Post
    Those caps are original. Shaws will look like this.
    Your patent stamped ink dated Shaw era are most likely T-Tops bobbins with rough mag and white spacers!
    I have one dated 6-10-80 just like yours?

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    Re: 1980 LP... Shaw pickups?? What kind of Caps?

    Yeah I`m not sure. I just thought shaws were first seen in the heritage series.
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    Re: 1980 LP... Shaw pickups?? What kind of Caps?

    Quote Originally Posted by Big Al View Post
    Except those aren't. Correct base, incorrect ink stamp, lacking the 137/138 prefix found only on the Shaw spec paf reissue. Also lacking the brass bobbin attachment screws.
    Are you saying only 137/138 are the only PAF version?

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    Re: 1980 LP... Shaw pickups?? What kind of Caps?

    Quote Originally Posted by guitplayer View Post
    Those caps are original. Shaws will look like this.
    This has brass bobbin attachment screws.

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    Re: 1980 LP... Shaw pickups?? What kind of Caps?

    Quote Originally Posted by Capt Brad View Post
    Are you saying only 137/138 are the only PAF version?
    All the various pickups used a 3 digit prefix. The first reissue paf bore the 137 or 138 number. The numbers represent bridge or neck versions. The earliest only have 80 following the prefix with longer number codes following later in 1980.

    They are factory inventory codes and other than the 3 digit model prefix and obvious date codes I am not sure what the other numbers represent. Remember the stamps wear off easily, so incomplete or missing numbers can be confusing.
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    Re: 1980 LP... Shaw pickups?? What kind of Caps?

    Quote Originally Posted by Big Al View Post
    All the various pickups used a 3 digit prefix. The first reissue paf bore the 137 or 138 number. The numbers represent bridge or neck versions. The earliest only have 80 following the prefix with longer number codes following later in 1980.

    They are factory inventory codes and other than the 3 digit model prefix and obvious date codes I am not sure what the other numbers represent. Remember the stamps wear off easily, so incomplete or missing numbers can be confusing.
    This one is stamped 138 81.
    My question is are other# 3 digit prefix different? I have seven different examples that all read about 7.3 to 7.7 ?

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    Re: 1980 LP... Shaw pickups?? What kind of Caps?

    All the pups I have with ink have the rough mags and white spacers.

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    Re: 1980 LP... Shaw pickups?? What kind of Caps?

    At that time all of the various humbuckers had white plastic bobbin base spacers and all of the alnico magnets were rough cast. The were making a variety of models, many in the 7.3-7.8k range. Ttops, Original Humbuckers, 490, 490t, 496r and True Blues all very similar yet had different prefix codes. Ohm resistance is a poor indicator of tone and inductance/resonate freq specs tell the tale. Ceramic models like the Velvet Brick are also similar.

    In the mid/late 80's the reissue paf was changed and called 1959 Reissue Pickup and Shaw spec all gone.
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    Re: 1980 LP... Shaw pickups?? What kind of Caps?

    Howabout this code ??
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