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    Korina Explorers From 1983 With Names

    Just thought I would start a new thread about this as the old thread I posted on is not getting much action. Does anyone out there own a Korina Explorer from 1983? Supposedly the guys who built these rated them with beautiful womens names written into the neck pickup cavity. I have seen Linda and Barbara and someone else told me they had Jayne. Years ago when I first heard about it I was told that their favorite one they labelled Marilyn. That is four different names so far and I would like to hear if there are any more.

    The guitars I have seen so far have been the Limited Edition Custom Shop models, but maybe the Heritages have the names as well. It is possible, also, that it was done on just the first batch of guitars. Both guitars I saw with the names had 2 piece tops. Gibson only built a couple Limited Edition and Heritage Explorers with 2 piece tops and the remainder got 3 piece tops. In 15+ years of searching I have only seen 2 Limited Editions with 2 piece tops and 1 Heritage.

    On a side note if anyone out there has a 2 piece top Limited Edition or Heritage Korina Explorer I would be interested in purchasing them. I track down guitars for a few collectors as a side job and I could offer a really good buying price for either of those explorers with 2 piece tops. There is a thread in this forum with an 83 Korina Explorer with a 2 piece that has the name Linda in the neck pickup cavity. It was the second of the 2 I mentioned above. I was too late in seeing it and it was sold, but if the buyer reads this thread please contact me.

    Anyways, I don't want to take away from my main intention for this thread. I really want to see if there are any other names to be found in the neck pickup cavity of these guitars. So far there is Barbara, Linda, Jayne and Marilyn. According to Gruhn there is less than 100 of the Limited Edition Custom Shop models and only 100 Heritages so I realize that there is not a lot of them out there, but if anybody has one and could check the neck pickup cavity it would really make this thread fun.

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    My 1982 Moderne Says "Mae" in the neck p.u. cavity.

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    Sounds like they were named after old-timey celeb women.

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    Had one, never unscrewed the neck pickup....
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    My '83 Moderne is labeled "Sharon" in the neck cavity.

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    I find something disturbing about reading the word "Sharon" so close to the phrase "neck cavity"......images of the Manson girls pop into my head.

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    Here's an '83 335 with "Betty" written in the bridge PU cavity:

    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=160792640442

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    Quote Originally Posted by Emperor-TK View Post
    Here's an '83 335 with "Betty" written in the bridge PU cavity:

    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=160792640442
    man, I love seeing an ebay ad like that.

    pleeeeeenty of pictures!!

    and good ones.

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    This is really amazing then. So far we have Barbara, Linda, Jayne, Marilyn, Mae and Sharon in the Korina guitars from 1982/83 and Betty in a 335. All of these names can correspond to some very big sex symbols prior to 1983. There is no way Gibson had that many different people building the limited run Korina guitars and especially all women. I guess the info the Gibson employee gave me was true. Betty in the 335 is different in that it is in the bridge cavity. It is one of the nicest looking 335's I have ever seen, but I see that it is stamped as a second. I bet a Gibson employee wanted to buy it for himself at a reduced price. Keep the names coming. This could turn into a very historically important thread.
    Last edited by Calgary Flametop; 05-02-12 at 05:59 AM. Reason: Added

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    I just wanted to add that so far there has not been a double. A double wouldn't take away from how interesting this naming thing is becoming, but so far it looks like the person or people who were doing this were trying to give each guitar its own personality.

    Keep the names coming and post which cavity the name is in, if it is written in pencil or pen and if the name is painted over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Calgary Flametop View Post
    ...I guess the info the Gibson employee gave me was true.
    Which employee gave you this info? Was he in final assembly or a different position?

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    Which employee gave you this info? Was he in final assembly or a different position?

    I never actually asked him, but I am pretty sure he must have been in assembly from the info I received. I met him in 1993 at a music store in Detroit while I was on a university summer work program in Toronto. He said that he had worked in Kalamazoo for long time and then got transferred to Nashville. He said things didn't work out very well in Nashville and that he eventually moved back to Michigan. The minute I found out he used to work for Gibson I started grilling him about guitars. I was mostly interested in the early 70's reissue Black Beauty and Goldtops. He is my only credible reference that Gibson used left over parts and wood on the 1973 54RI Les Paul Custom. Only a small portion got the wood, specifically the one piece mahogany bodies, but every guitar got a left over Alnico V pickup. Some even got necks that had been cut incorrectly back in the 50's. They had to offset the fretboard and cut slightly larger veneers just to make them work. You can tell those guitars by their inch and a half long heel. Norlin basically used that guitar as a mixing bowl for all the left over Les Paul parts they found when they took over.

    Anyways, he mentioned the name thing only when I told him that I also owned a 1983 Korina Explorer. Maybe he and some other employees did it out of spite for not being happy in Nashville. Whatever the reason it is quite evident now that something odd was happening with these names. The three I have seen or been told about personally have been written in pencil underneath the clear finish in the neck pickup cavity. The other three are also noted as being in the neck pickup cavity, and I am going to assume that they were done the same. If the two people who posted in this thread with the Modernes can post that info it would be great. I am not sure about including Betty from the 335 yet as it was done in ink in the bridge cavity. What do you personally think about this, since you are asking?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Calgary Flametop View Post
    What do you personally think about this, since you are asking?
    I just found it interesting because when I worked for Gibson(final assembly) and wired up my first double neck, I put a personal mark in the control cavity which I'm sure my supervisor would have frowned upon had he known I did it.

    Also, I like to talk to former employees for general knowledge of the history and processes at Gibson,especially the Kalamazoo factory.

    Do you still talk to the guy or have his contact info? Do you remember his name?

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    No, I am sorry I don't. I doubt I would even be able to remember the name of the store even if I had a list of all the stores at the time. It was 20 years ago and I am bad with names even after 20 minutes. Funny, though, how I can remember his face and rough voice. Either that Gibson environment was not very healthy or he smoked a lot. He was easily over 55 so he would be well over 75 if he is still alive today.

    I myself am a big history buff. I would love to have continued contact with someone who worked for Gibson for any of the years from the 50's to the 80's. A person would be very old if they worked there in the 50's, but those are the years that I find most interesting. I was just so happy to find out the info from the late 60's and early 70's that I did. I talked with the gentleman for a long time at that store. He started talking to me when I was looking at a Gibson guitar. He made some comment like I built that guitar or something.

    Anyways, so far there are six names in these 1983 Korina guitar neck pickup cavities that look to be Sex Goddesses from the years prior to that. So far there are Barbara, Linda, Jayne, Marilyn, Mae and Sharon as well as Betty in the 335 and nobody has listed a double yet. Even with a double I can't see that many different women with names like that involved in the final assembly of such a limited run of guitars. Something very unique went down in 1983 by the look of things. Have you looked at the Linda Explorer in the forum. Just do a search for Linda Explorer Korina. It is one of the very rare two piece body Korina Explorers. I was too late to see that thread, but even though the guitar was a little rough I would have bought it in a second.

    In almost 20 years of searching I have only seen 2 Limited Edition Custom Shop 1983 Korina Explorers with a two piece body and 1 Heritage 1983 Korina Explorer with a two piece body. I have easily seen 20 of each and the rest have all had three piece bodies. There was supposedly only a few pieces of the beatiful Korina Gibson found to build those guitars big enough to build them in two pieces. I read that info somewhere else and did not get that from the Gibson employee.

    What years did you work at Gibson? Did you ever talk to any of the other employees about stuff that had happened in years prior? Also, I have two double neck SG's. One is from 2000 and the other I can't remember right now as the guitars are in storage, but I would find it simply amazing if I had that guitar that you marked. I am going to pull them out tomorrow and check.

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    Anybody ever try asking any of the guys at Heritage about old Gibson stuff? I know some of those guys are old timers from back in the Gibson days and I would love to find a bit more info about these womens names.

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    I have a 1982 Flying "V" in Birdseye Korina and it has Doris written in
    the neck cavity.......I have heard Gibson employees writing a ladies
    name in the neck cavity.......

    Here is a shot of the "V"


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    Re: Korina Explorers From 1983 With Names

    Interesting AVH-type thread. I am fascinated! Here is a description I happended to see after reading this thread . The guitar is a 1980 59 Heritage Elite LP, but there was no picture of mention whether it was pen or pencil.
    "Neck cavity markings- HSB, 8-6-80. Bridge Cavity Markings 55,6, Doris. Control Cavity Markings- Elite 80, FL+ 80, EM 8-1, 12H B 110/H. 9lb 10oz"

    Very cool.

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    Very nice. We are now up to 7 womens names from early 80's Gibson Korina guitars. We have Barbara, Linda, Jayne, Marilyn, Mae, Sharon and Doris. We also have Betty from a 1983 ES-335. I think it is pretty obvious that Gibson didn't have 7 different women involved in the final build stage of such a limited series of guitars. I guess as the list grows the big question will be if there was a purpose, or if it was simply to give the guitar a name.

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    Calgary Flametop, shoot me an email if you want to discuss 83 Explorers. I'll send you my phone #.
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    Not to hijack your thread and I don't know if this throws a wrench in your theory, but my 83 Les Paul Standard has the name Peggy penciled in the neck cavity. It isn't Korina or a Heritage Elite or Standard 83 or anything special, although it does have a fairly nice top given it's a regular Les Paul of that era.



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    No problem with the Peggy on the 83 Standard. That top is particularly nice. It is actually amazingly nice. Better than most Heritages I have seen. I am really thinking that this naming deal might have had something to do with guitars that the workers, or worker, thought were amazing in 1983. The one other guitar that wasn't a Korina that had the name Betty was an ES-335 with the most amazing top I have seen on a 335. Another thing that is really amazing so far is that there have been no duplicate names. I am coming to the conclusion that they were naming the nicest guitars with prominent sex symbols, etc. from the 50's and 60's. I will keep up with the thread so we can see how far this goes.

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    Thought I better update as well the names we are up to in the 1983 Korina guitars. We have Barbara, Linda, Jayne, Marilyn, Mae, Sharon, Doris and Rita. That is 8 different names. We also have Betty in a heavily figured 83 ES-335 and Peggy in a heavily figured 83 Standard. I can't wait to see where this ends up a couple years down the road.

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    Re: Korina Explorers From 1983 With Names

    I have an early January of 83 Explorer named Liz. The name is in the bridge pickup cavity, not the neck. It also has a two piece body.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VibroMan View Post
    I have an early January of 83 Explorer named Liz. The name is in the bridge pickup cavity, not the neck. It also has a two piece body.

    I just want to verify this name. Is it Liz or Elizabeth? I just want to make sure I keep the names correct. I guess yours would be Liz Taylor. Once we get a bunch of names I am going to make a list of the correlating Sex Symbols and post them to see if everyone thinks they are correct. Most the names are pretty straight forward, but a couple could relate to different women.

    Also, you are lucky to have one of the 2 piece bodies. Only the first few guitars got them and they are pretty rare. There were also two different types of Korina on these. I don't have the time right now, but I will explain that at a later date. Do you have any pictures of your guitar? Do you have any plans on selling it in the near future?

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    Re: Korina Explorers From 1983 With Names

    I bought one of the Heritage series Explorers in 1984 in Corpus Christi, TX. I still have all paperwork that came with it and the receipt from the store. It's a very cool guitar. If I remember right (my memory is not always the best at times) serial # is "1 025." One piece of trivia that I have never been able to prove: I was told by the store manager--who kept the first Heritage Explorer he received (he got 2 for his store along with at least one V and one Moderne that I saw)--that the first few (maybe 8 or so) were one-piece neck. He told me his was one of these first ones, but I never laid eyes on it.

    As a side note: I think the pickups are also the "Shaw PAF's" for what that is worth. I will have to check to see if there is a name in either cavity. I never noticed. Great sounding guitar.
    Last edited by AXE752; 09-03-12 at 08:45 PM. Reason: Added info.
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    Re: Korina Explorers From 1983 With Names

    Quote Originally Posted by Calgary Flametop View Post
    I just want to verify this name. Is it Liz or Elizabeth? I just want to make sure I keep the names correct. I guess yours would be Liz Taylor. Once we get a bunch of names I am going to make a list of the correlating Sex Symbols and post them to see if everyone thinks they are correct. Most the names are pretty straight forward, but a couple could relate to different women.

    Also, you are lucky to have one of the 2 piece bodies. Only the first few guitars got them and they are pretty rare. There were also two different types of Korina on these. I don't have the time right now, but I will explain that at a later date. Do you have any pictures of your guitar? Do you have any plans on selling it in the near future?
    Calgary- I mentioned shooting me an email in an earlier post...I guess you didn't catch it. I too have been following these for a while. I don't really plan on selling it anytime soon.

    Yes, it is "Liz" and most likely in reference to Liz Taylor. The serial number dated it to the first few days of 83. I think the pots are mid 82.

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    Hey Vibroman. Don't know how I missed your earlier note. Most likely confusion from trying to keep up with so many threads. I will send you a direct message when I get a chance. Hey AXE752. Is your Heritage White, Black or Natural? Does it have a two or three piece body? Have you looked for a name yet? Do you have any plans on selling it?

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    Re: Korina Explorers From 1983 With Names

    Quote Originally Posted by Calgary Flametop View Post
    Hey Vibroman. Don't know how I missed your earlier note. Most likely confusion from trying to keep up with so many threads. I will send you a direct message when I get a chance. Hey AXE752. Is your Heritage White, Black or Natural? Does it have a two or three piece body? Have you looked for a name yet? Do you have any plans on selling it?

    Hey "CF,"
    The wife has had me busy with projects and I haven't hauled it out yet to check for a name, but I will. If I remember correctly, it is a 3 piece body (very well matched and pretty grain.) It is a natural Korina and as Gruhn's guitar guide describes of the Heritage Explorer models, it has the "tulip tuner tips" and black volume/tone knobs. I actually tried to sell it in the late '90's trying to raise money to buy a '63 ES-335. I am now kind of glad I had no takers or I believe I would have been back in the Korina market again for sure. It has a little sentimental value as well since I have had it for nearly 30 years and it still looks about like the day I bought it! I guess that is the long way of saying I don't have plans to sell it if I don't have to (like others sacrificed in the past--'69 Les Paul Custom, '67 Rickenbacker 360-12, '65 Vibrolux Reverb, '65 Reverse Firebird w/P-90's, 1935 National Duolian, etc. etc. etc...) Rent, food and medical come first. We have all been there at one time or another.
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    Re: Korina Explorers From 1983 With Names

    I was able to take it apart yesterday, finally.

    I looked in the bridge position and just found a large ink stamped "A" and a small separate ink-stamped 3. I then looked in the neck position and found an ink stamped "ANT NA" and hand written over top of that was "Peggy" with an initial shortly after it. I think it is an "I." It is kind of loopy and in cursive so it could be an L, D, O, or maybe an R.

    So it looks like Peggy was popular!

    Mine is for sure a 3 piece body and you have to look very close, but a 3 piece neck I believe as well.

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    Hey AXE752. Your Peggy is the first double used name. It is the first Peggy in one of the Korina guitars, but someone did have that name in an 83 Les Paul. If you look just a little bit back in this thread to the last picture it shows the Peggy in that Les Paul with the stamps just like you describe. Is the Peggy written in the same hand writting as yours?

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    The handwriting looks somewhat similar. Written in cursive. And as a side note I was incorrect on the serial #. It has another 0 in it-- "1 0025"
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    Here is a link to a Moderne who has "Betty":http://www.frettedamericana.com/prod...eritage-korina

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    This is really cool now. We originally only had Betty in a heavily figured 83 ES-335 and Peggy in a heavily figured 83 Standard. Now we have both of those names in the Korina guitars.

    The total womens names in the Korina guitars is now Barbara, Linda, Jayne, Marilyn, Mae, Sharon, Doris, Rita, Peggy and Betty. That is 10 different womens names. So far there has also not been a double in just the Korina guitars. It could be possible that the person or persons who did this also used those names in different runs of guitars.

    Whatever the case it is now obvious that these names were in reference to Sex Symbols prior to the early 80's. There is no way Gibson had 10 women, all of whom have very obvious sex symbol names, working in the same position on such a limited run of guitars. There have also been no guys names, which if one came up now would be very weird, LOL.

    These early 80's Korina guitars are turning out to have an even greater lore than was associated with the old Marshall amps. I remember people back in the day saying their Marshall amp was special because so and so had signed it. Those were real peoples names unlike these guitars that have names of 20th Century Sex Goddess's. How cool is that. Now if only I could find the Korina Explorer named Marilyn. It is supposed to have one of the rare two piece bodies to boot.

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    Hey Vibroman. I tried to send you a direct e-mail, but it said you do not accept them. Is there any other way I can get a hold of you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Calgary Flametop View Post
    Hey Vibroman. I tried to send you a direct e-mail, but it said you do not accept them. Is there any other way I can get a hold of you?
    You can reach me at christophertrotter@hotmail.com. I may consider parting with "Liz", which is an early 2 piece body Explorer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AXE752 View Post
    I bought one of the Heritage series Explorers in 1984 in Corpus Christi, TX. I still have all paperwork that came with it and the receipt from the store. It's a very cool guitar. If I remember right (my memory is not always the best at times) serial # is "1 025." One piece of trivia that I have never been able to prove: I was told by the store manager--who kept the first Heritage Explorer he received (he got 2 for his store along with at least one V and one Moderne that I saw)--that the first few (maybe 8 or so) were one-piece neck. He told me his was one of these first ones, but I never laid eyes on it.

    As a side note: I think the pickups are also the "Shaw PAF's" for what that is worth. I will have to check to see if there is a name in either cavity. I never noticed. Great sounding guitar.
    I bet you bought that at "Sound Vibrations" on Staples Ave. in the Six Points area of Corpus. Originally that was a store named "The Horn Shop" and when they moved in `80 to the south side of Corpus , Robert DeGraff moved into it. He had a smaller shop across the bay in Portland originally.
    I remember seeing the Explorers and Modern's in his store.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TM1 View Post
    I bet you bought that at "Sound Vibrations" on Staples Ave. in the Six Points area of Corpus. Originally that was a store named "The Horn Shop" and when they moved in `80 to the south side of Corpus , Robert DeGraff moved into it. He had a smaller shop across the bay in Portland originally.
    I remember seeing the Explorers and Modern's in his store.

    That's the place! I'm pretty sure it was Robert who I bought it from. I actually called him the other day just to compare mine to the one he had, but his memory was not that good about it. He told me he had sold it. If I remember right for over $7k. I was curious about my serial number being all numbers and was wondering if all the Heritage Explorers were like that. All the Modernes and V's that I have seen or heard of have serial numbers that start with a letter and then a three-digit number (I think.)

    I used to come over and visit his shop every now and then when I had time--I didn't have much. I was a "student" at NAS Kingsville, TX at the time. The Explorer was the only guitar I looked at that he would not budge on the price. I paid top dollar for that bad boy--$1100!!! I guess it's obvious that I really wanted it.


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