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    Re: 70's Gibsons. Show off your Norlins.

    The process is known as "cross-banding." It is done in applications where you want increased rigidity in a structure. The internal layer is laid with its grain at ninety degrees to the main layer's grain. Now I'll speculate: This was in the middle of a period when everyone thought electric guitars should be as rigid and non-resonant as possible to keep the string energy within the string an thus maximize sustain. When you play a pancake LP, you cans see that they achieved that goal. As always, there's a trade off. By the way, amplifiers of the period also moved to non-resonant construction to maximize projection. The '50s tweed Fenders were resonant and lightweight and the '60s Blackface Fenders went to heavier, more rigid construction with plywood.

    But if you go back to the period in Guitar Player Magazine, you can see how everyone was struggling to achieve maximum sustain on guitars. Santana had just come out with "Black Magic Woman" using amp feedback for sustain. Veleno came out with their all metal guitar and Pete Haycock played one. Dan Armstrong came out with a Lexan plastic-bodied one. People were replacing the tailpieces and nuts of LPs with brass to increase overall system rigidity and thus sustain.

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    Re: 70's Gibsons. Show off your Norlins.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Womack View Post
    layer's grain. Now I'll speculate: This was in the middle of a period when everyone thought electric guitars should be as rigid and non-resonant as possible to keep the string energy within the string an thus maximize sustain. When you play a pancake LP, you cans see that they achieved that goal.
    Most early 70s LPs i played were more resonant than the late 70s with one piece bodies and some of them were more resonant than many Custom Shops i had.
    My diagnosis is: Hiwatt and Norlinphilia


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    Re: 70's Gibsons. Show off your Norlins.

    Quote Originally Posted by Thin_Lizzy View Post
    Hi Kim,

    Just a wild guess while I'm at work and don't have any info or statistics at hand...
    My guess is '71 or '72. Is the Gibson-logo embossed on the pickup covers? I have a '72 which has that.
    Serial numbers are pretty useless from 70-75. Best try is to have a look at the potcodes.
    Thin_Lizzy,

    Nope, plain pup covers on this one.

    Thanks -

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    Re: 70's Gibsons. Show off your Norlins.

    Old thread, and many year old picture of my 1978 triple pickup Les Paul Custom. Bought brand new! Just bouncing around the LPF on Christmas Day...

    Is it just me, or does it seem like there were a lot more Customs (compared to other models) built (or bought) back in the Norlin days?

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    Re: 70's Gibsons. Show off your Norlins.

    my long gone '74 20th annv LPC



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    Re: 70's Gibsons. Show off your Norlins.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Kane View Post
    My first and last LP, a late '69 deluxe that's on it's 4th set of frets and 2nd top refin. I bought this new and tried for years and years to replace it because back then everyone knew that these guitars were inferior to the old ones. It has survived a maelstrom of competition, old and new, and it's the only one I own know and that's not likely to change.

    Looks very good Mark
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    Re: 70's Gibsons. Show off your Norlins.


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    Re: 70's Gibsons. Show off your Norlins.

    Great thread- '72 approved

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    Re: 70's Gibsons. Show off your Norlins.

    '71 routed Les Paul Deluxe with Duncan Antiquities and aged nickel hardware. I really like this guitar.


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    Re: 70's Gibsons. Show off your Norlins.

    took off the pg..


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    Re: 70's Gibsons. Show off your Norlins.

    Another Deluxe. 1978


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    Re: 70's Gibsons. Show off your Norlins.

    The angle of that photo makes it look like there is no carve top.

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    Re: 70's Gibsons. Show off your Norlins.

    So - "70's Gibsons. Show off your Norlins."

    Does this mean that my 80's "Pre-Henrys" are not invited to the party?
    Im hitting a lick for peace and every time Im in Georgia, I eat a peach for peace."


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    Re: 70's Gibsons. Show off your Norlins.

    Bad photo. Sorry it's all I have at the moment.
    1978 ES-335 and 1979 Les Paul Standard


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    Re: 70's Gibsons. Show off your Norlins.



    My '82...ebony board on a skinny profile, red all the way around. Approximately 300 lbs. Will stay in tune for months. Sustain like a built-in compressor, sadly average tone.

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    Re: 70's Gibsons. Show off your Norlins.

    I don't have an LP from the Norlin era, but I see other non-LPs here. This is a 1979 SG Exclusive model, the Exclusive was made just in 1979 and had double creme T-Tops. In the 80s I was playing weekly and needed a certain sound (I thought) I ripped them out, replaced them with Dimarzio Super Distortions and later lost them. Oh well, it has Duncans now, this pic is while it was being refretted by a friend and still on premises:

    Everything on 10!

  17. #97

    Re: 70's Gibsons. Show off your Norlins.

    Old guy, total newb here. Long time owner and lover of LP's, couldn't resist posting after seeing this thread.

    My guitar: bought new in 1977, been my partner ever since. I've done a few mods including removing pickguard/switchguard, replaced plug plate w/metal, using open rear pickup cover, Shaller tuners and that's about it. I have all the original parts and can restore easily. Frets, PUPs, POTs, knobs, switches, bridge and tailpiece are all original.

    Items of interest (or past comments) are what appear to be a 'transitional' tenon, 1 pc. body (yes and main reason for abandoning my 74 Black Beauty Custom Anniversary Model), and Tobacco Sunburst back-of-neck details. I've been told not all have that. Comments? Anyway, the neck's true and a she's a good player, much better than my former Custom.

    Sorry for the crap pic and I love this guitar despite it's 70s-ness. Lots of good times and memories tied up in this one. I'll try for some better 'glamour' shots when I get some time. Thanks for viewing and a great LP site.


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    Re: 70's Gibsons. Show off your Norlins.

    i wanna play too
    heres some of mine





    and of course Old Paint

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    Re: 70's Gibsons. Show off your Norlins.

    Quote Originally Posted by Steve58RI View Post


    My '82...ebony board on a skinny profile, red all the way around. Approximately 300 lbs. Will stay in tune for months. Sustain like a built-in compressor, sadly average tone.
    I have one very similar - does yours have the second 4-digit serial #? If so, I can tell you more about it. Ping me.
    Im hitting a lick for peace and every time Im in Georgia, I eat a peach for peace."


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    Re: 70's Gibsons. Show off your Norlins.

    Quote Originally Posted by Stevedenver View Post
    i wanna play too
    heres some of mine





    and of course Old Paint


    You just keep bringing the hits today, dontcha Steve? lol My, that is a beautiful Custom! Tell me more...
    Im hitting a lick for peace and every time Im in Georgia, I eat a peach for peace."


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    Re: 70's Gibsons. Show off your Norlins.

    Quote Originally Posted by JTinFL View Post
    You just keep bringing the hits today, dontcha Steve? lol My, that is a beautiful Custom! Tell me more...
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    Re: 70's Gibsons. Show off your Norlins.

    its a 74 custom
    from the info i have, and reading, its likely left over from the anniversary run-there was an identical one but with the special 12th fret marker

    its 3 piece braz rosewood
    toffee colored back and neck
    3 piece neck medium c
    pancake bod, tiny volute
    has t tops that are simply wonderful, and a trainsition tenon
    still has fretless frets which really dont seem to bother me at all, as i play 9s

    replaced the original klusons with the new released versions-but used pearl instead of gold-the oringals are very sloppy

    weighs at just under 8.7


    all adds up to a superb sounding guitar-sounds kinda inbetween a standard and a custom i think between the top and the ebony board0

    the best part is in about 94, i had gone into a GC for the second time ever-i had a long hiatus from electrics-i spy this apparently black custom on the wall-it looked just liek my old 71 custom-i approach and its got this braz top-marked $999-used walnut LP-had to bitch to get then to throw in the case-back when they were doing that stuff

    i know my woods and i knew it was rosewood
    and when i picked it up i fell in love-it felt identical to my old custom

    had no intention of buying anything that day..oh well

    i looked over a book which had a photocopy of the gibson production logs and they made 50 of this guitar as i understand things-

    its the ying to the Spotlight as yang!

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    Re: 70's Gibsons. Show off your Norlins.

    I thought that looked like rosewood - that's simply gorgeous. Another nice find. I want to go guitar shopping with you and pick up on your sloppy seconds, lol.
    Im hitting a lick for peace and every time Im in Georgia, I eat a peach for peace."


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    Re: 70's Gibsons. Show off your Norlins.

    75, got it new from Manny's, pic from April of this year



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    Re: 70's Gibsons. Show off your Norlins.

    75 dlx


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    Re: 70's Gibsons. Show off your Norlins.

    ................................
    When you have the same guitar (or pedal, pickup, or amp) that your favorite player uses to play that music and make those sounds, you know that piece of equipment isn't part of the "problem", and you can either move on to blaming the next piece of gear or get down to playing and seeing if you can really do it.


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    Re: 70's Gibsons. Show off your Norlins.

    1970 GT



    1979 25/50 Anniversary

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    Re: 70's Gibsons. Show off your Norlins.

    Quote Originally Posted by 1970goldielux View Post
    1979 25/50 Anniversary
    Now that's just drop-dead gorgeous...
    1977 LP Std

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    Re: 70's Gibsons. Show off your Norlins.

    Quote Originally Posted by mbowen View Post
    Hi guys my Norlin is a 73 i think see thru cherry Deluxe.I owned a bunch of 70's Gibsons over the years but this is the only one i have now.Do have a 68 custom stashed still.Thanks Mike B.




    LOVE this one!
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    Re: 70's Gibsons. Show off your Norlins.

    here's my old 75 DeLuxe Red Sparkle... it's been gigged a LOT and wound up getting humbuckered over the years and i'm even more in love with it now. most certainly got my money's worth out of this guitar! it currently has DM 36 Anniv PAF's in it (not shown in the pics). it is still in service to this day - sounds fantastic and gets noticed a LOT.



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    Re: 70's Gibsons. Show off your Norlins.

    Did the '75s still have the trans tenon or was that gone by the end of '74?
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    Re: 70's Gibsons. Show off your Norlins.

    Quote Originally Posted by bird72 View Post
    I really like a lot of the Norlin's. I will say some are truly beautiful, some look workmanlike functional, and a few are kinda quirky. Some of the 3 piece tops can look really good. Since I was a 73 HS grad era I like the Norlins because that is what all my friends had! My buddy had a black custom in 72 and I always thought that was the most beautiful guitar in the world (hey I was 16 and it was!)................. I also think at some point in the future they will not as readily be called Norlin's and will be just referred to as 70's Gibsons, without the somewhat "oh but it's a Norlin" sort of disclaimer. Heck, I even like the big headstock, it reminds me of early 70's in your face rock.
    +1. I am an '80 HS grad and I enjoy Norlins very much. My previously posted LP deluxe I bought in '75. I still have it.
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    Re: 70's Gibsons. Show off your Norlins.

    Quote Originally Posted by Triplet View Post
    Did the '75s still have the trans tenon or was that gone by the end of '74?
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    Trans tenon was found on 75s

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    Re: 70's Gibsons. Show off your Norlins.

    Quote Originally Posted by guitarchitecture View Post
    Anyone know the true concept or factory thinking behind the pankcake body?
    Seems like a few extra steps involved to do it.

    Glad to see these early Norlins have their day in court-
    some great overlooked guitars.
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    Here are a few of my Norlins..........

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    grog thats stellar!

    you really have quite the collection

    i too am a lover of the recording guitar

    and play mine regularly

    but i see you have the LP-12 amp (The Monster) -wow

    have almost pulled the trigger on the signature -hows it stack up against the solid bodies with the difference in decade controls

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    Re: 70's Gibsons. Show off your Norlins.

    It's a bit different, the pickups are Low Impedance Super Humbuckers and it actually has a balanced line out (three wire) jack that goes into a recording board or XLR jack. A couple days ago I came in second best on a bid for a Les Paul Personal. That would have completed the set!

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    Re: 70's Gibsons. Show off your Norlins.

    Not all mine, and most of these are gone now, but they were awesome...



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    Re: 70's Gibsons. Show off your Norlins.

    Here's a few more............







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