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    I finally got a play a real 'burst...(Gladys)

    ... knowing what I know now about them. I haven't played a 'burst since before I knew what to listen/feel for.



    I learned a lot today, and confirmed what I thought I knew.
    Went there to look at a guitar that he is selling that I didn't buy for personal reasons.

    Thanks a bunch Joe Ganzler.

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    Re: I finally got a play a real 'burst...(Gladys)

    Gladys kills me everytime I see her. Definitely in my top 5 Burst of all time

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    Re: I finally got a play a real 'burst...(Gladys)

    That is a very special guitar. I totally "get it"

    I wish I didn't, but I do.

    Something about "Pandora's snatch"

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    Re: I finally got a play a real 'burst...(Gladys)

    I got to ask the silly question. What lick did you start with? What amp did you plug into? Must have been a great experience.

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    Re: I finally got a play a real 'burst...(Gladys)

    Quote Originally Posted by Wilko View Post
    ... knowing what I know now about them. I haven't played a 'burst since before I knew what to listen/feel for.



    I learned a lot today, and confirmed what I thought I knew.
    Went there to look at a guitar that he is selling that I didn't buy for personal reasons.

    Thanks a bunch Joe Ganzler.
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    Re: I finally got a play a real 'burst...(Gladys)

    You're RUINT now.

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    Re: I finally got a play a real 'burst...(Gladys)

    I don't want to play a 'burst. There will be no going back, and I don't have 200k+ laying around.

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    Re: I finally got a play a real 'burst...(Gladys)

    Quote Originally Posted by bnorm44 View Post
    I got to ask the silly question. What lick did you start with? What amp did you plug into? Must have been a great experience.
    I held the neck to my ear and picked some odd chords and listened to the huge harmonic structure of the notes and chords as they sustained and developed from big notes fading to the overtones. And the way the sound echoed/reverberated in the wood. Joe asked that I let the amp/speakers warm up a bit before cranking it.
    The amp was about 15 feet away in the closet off the back side of a large bathroom/shower area. Looked like a Marshall 1962 "bluesbreaker" later style cab. I didn't look at it close or even see how it was set. Based on how it sounded I'd guess right in the sweet spot just about maxed.
    Played abunch of noodly riffs. Big chunky chords, hard, soft picking. hybrid picking with a pick "tele style", bare finger cluster. Stock stining blues licks. lots of bends with dynamics.
    That guitar has an amazing dynamic range and extremely complex "finish" to the notes whether acoustic or electric.

    I was ready to be "ruint" by it but instead I'm very pleased with the way my two main 1968s held their own (IMHO).

    I may rethink my pickup choice in my sunburst as it is a bit too bright and not complex enough in the overtones. My goldtop is as expected. I think it could pass a blindfold test.

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    Re: I finally got a play a real 'burst...(Gladys)

    It's always "funny" to me when a good player with a VERY good ear picks up Gladys, and hears/feels/senses things IMMEDIATELY. I say "funny" because I read SO much on this Forum from guys that have not/CAN not differentiate between things that have always been SO VERY CLEAR to me and others...Today's session reminded me of one of the sessions that *I* spent with C. Daughtry many years ago at HIS house - that was the first time that I "got it" - the overtones, the "note bloom", the secondary tone - whatEVER you want to refer to it as...

    Rick was right - his '68's sounded VERY good in comparison - my contention for quite some time now as well. My own '68, not as good - though I personally blame the pickup choice; but that's a whole 'nuther Oprah. Thanks for the LONG overdue visit, Rick - it's ALWAYS a pleasure hosting a fine guitar player who looks as good as you in cheap clothes!
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    Re: I finally got a play a real 'burst...(Gladys)

    Great posts, great pics!

    Man if I'd know I would have gone to Oberstdorf to meet Joe, Mingus and Florian (and to watch the Ski Flying World Cup).
    Last edited by hoss; 02-03-10 at 03:28 AM.

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    Re: I finally got a play a real 'burst...(Gladys)

    Quote Originally Posted by Wilko View Post
    I held the neck to my ear and picked some odd chords and listened to the huge harmonic structure of the notes and chords as they sustained and developed from big notes fading to the overtones. And the way the sound echoed/reverberated in the wood. Joe asked that I let the amp/speakers warm up a bit before cranking it.
    The amp was about 15 feet away in the closet off the back side of a large bathroom/shower area. Looked like a Marshall 1962 "bluesbreaker" later style cab. I didn't look at it close or even see how it was set. Based on how it sounded I'd guess right in the sweet spot just about maxed.
    Played abunch of noodly riffs. Big chunky chords, hard, soft picking. hybrid picking with a pick "tele style", bare finger cluster. Stock stining blues licks. lots of bends with dynamics.
    That guitar has an amazing dynamic range and extremely complex "finish" to the notes whether acoustic or electric.

    I was ready to be "ruint" by it but instead I'm very pleased with the way my two main 1968s held their own (IMHO).

    I may rethink my pickup choice in my sunburst as it is a bit too bright and not complex enough in the overtones. My goldtop is as expected. I think it could pass a blindfold test.

    I don't know about 'ruint' - sounds like you're just more 'informed' now? And you have two great '68's at hand - you're 'on velvet'!

    What would be your new pickup choice for your Sunburst?

    That Gladys is a really nice looking Lass.
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    When you have the same guitar (or pedal, pickup, or amp) that your favorite player uses to play that music and make those sounds, you know that piece of equipment isn't part of the "problem", and you can either move on to blaming the next piece of gear or get down to playing and seeing if you can really do it.


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    Re: I finally got a play a real 'burst...(Gladys)

    It looks unbelievable. And I learnt a few more things about the Grail.

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    Re: I finally got a play a real 'burst...(Gladys)

    Very cool, congrats Wilko! I am sure it was really interesting to get to play one of the famous Bursts around here, and compare it to your '68s. Maybe you preferred your goldtop to the sunburst because of the original finish?

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    Re: I finally got a play a real 'burst...(Gladys)

    What a fucking nice guitar.


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    Re: I finally got a play a real 'burst...(Gladys)

    Quote Originally Posted by Wilko View Post
    I held the neck to my ear and picked some odd chords and listened to the huge harmonic structure of the notes and chords as they sustained and developed from big notes fading to the overtones. And the way the sound echoed/reverberated in the wood. Joe asked that I let the amp/speakers warm up a bit before cranking it.
    The amp was about 15 feet away in the closet off the back side of a large bathroom/shower area. Looked like a Marshall 1962 "bluesbreaker" later style cab. I didn't look at it close or even see how it was set. Based on how it sounded I'd guess right in the sweet spot just about maxed.
    Played abunch of noodly riffs. Big chunky chords, hard, soft picking. hybrid picking with a pick "tele style", bare finger cluster. Stock stining blues licks. lots of bends with dynamics.
    That guitar has an amazing dynamic range and extremely complex "finish" to the notes whether acoustic or electric.

    I was ready to be "ruint" by it but instead I'm very pleased with the way my two main 1968s held their own (IMHO).

    I may rethink my pickup choice in my sunburst as it is a bit too bright and not complex enough in the overtones. My goldtop is as expected. I think it could pass a blindfold test.

    Great tone report. That guitar pic leaves a person speechless. F**ing amazing. You must be living right Joe.
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    Re: I finally got a play a real 'burst...(Gladys)

    Awesome

    Musta been like sleeping with Katheryn Heigl !!!

    There is no such thing as too much flame !!!

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    You are sooooooo lucky.

    Joe you seem like a really nice guy!!

    I've never played a burst or heard one in person oh well maybe one day..

    ROCK ON man.

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    Re: I finally got a play a real 'burst...(Gladys)

    Gladys thru a Bluesbreaker. Damn.

    Yo, Eric, ditch the Strat and come to Jesus!
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    Re: I finally got a play a real 'burst...(Gladys)

    Quote Originally Posted by hoss View Post
    Great posts, great pics!

    Man if I'd know I would have gone to Oberstdorf to meet Joe, Mingus and Florian (and to watch the Ski Flying World Cup).
    It's usually a great thing to be able to meet fellow LPF members and I wish we could have met you and some of the other members who live nearby.

    I'm sorry you didn't get the chance to play this spectacular guitar too. However, I'm sure everyone can appreciate why Gladys' appearance in Bavaria was NOT publicly advertised on an internet forum prior to the event! There's just too much risk from those who may have nefarious motives to do it any other way.
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    Re: I finally got a play a real 'burst...(Gladys)

    Quote Originally Posted by Decoy205 View Post

    You are sooooooo lucky.

    Joe you seem like a really nice guy!!

    I've never played a burst or heard one in person oh well maybe one day..

    ROCK ON man.
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    Re: I finally got a play a real 'burst...(Gladys)

    mingus, I totally understand that. Can I ask how you were flying Gladys over? Bought a business class seat for the guitar?

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    Re: I finally got a play a real 'burst...(Gladys)

    Quote Originally Posted by zorglub! View Post
    Maybe you preferred your goldtop to the sunburst because of the original finish?
    No, they are very different sounding/feeling guitars. The sunburst has a beefier neck (feels very 50s, maybe a hair fatter than Gladys) Goldtop has a neck a tad thinner than Gladys and is about the same weight. Much woodeir tone. The sunburst has a more focused clarity that could use a bit of fattening up with louder/warmer pickups. It has short Mag PAFs that are pretty bright already. I like the sound of it, I just may try something different to get it into the cool electric feedback mode like Gladys. Right now it really shines on the cleaner little grit styles.
    Ya know I hadn't really considered how well Gladys stacked up in the world of burst, just assuming she was near the top. If most bursts sound/feel better, then I prolly don't want to know.

    Oh and the public thanks to Joe for being so gracious with his time. A big chunk of it was comparing my guitars to the one I went to see, then Gladys was a nice bonus of his time with no business involved.

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    Re: I finally got a play a real 'burst...(Gladys)

    You gotta love a good Burst party!
    Pauls to the walls!

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    Re: I finally got a play a real 'burst...(Gladys)

    Oh, Thanks Joe for the kind words. BTW. My wife paid a lot of money to find jeans that look that cheap.

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    Re: I finally got a play a real 'burst...(Gladys)

    That geet glows like a bar of gold! I can remember a forum jam back in 03' in L.A. where Wilko brought his two 68's and they were mighty fine indeed. I remember the bursted one being brighter and the goldtop one being warmer sounding. Good times.

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    Re: I finally got a play a real 'burst...(Gladys)

    Wilko-
    That is like losing your virginity to Jennifer Anniston or Biance'. I handled my first 59 and 60 LP standard at Rumbleseat and felt pressed to put them away- definitely not by the employees mind you- more of a fear of wetting myself. I really didn't get to do much in the way of appreciating I was so overwhelmed.
    How much "searching" was involved in finding your 68's? Did you have to play a ton or did you get lucky?
    Great story- atta boy Joe G. Good karma points for that one! Plus you got to hear a couple of great late 60's.
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    Re: I finally got a play a real 'burst...(Gladys)

    Gladys is off the charts. Such a beautiful burst. I'm sure she sounds as good as she looks!

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    Re: I finally got a play a real 'burst...(Gladys)

    Quote Originally Posted by hoss View Post
    mingus, I totally understand that. Can I ask how you were flying Gladys over? Bought a business class seat for the guitar?
    Joe and I flew over and back in Business Class on Lufthansa and hand-carried Gladys on board where she made the journey in the overhead compartment. The guitar was in a protector case (generation 1) which was inside a gig bag for an acoustic guitar. We had no issues at all with the airline regarding carrying the guitar on board.
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    Re: I finally got a play a real 'burst...(Gladys)

    I think Gladys has the shiniest hardware on a burst that I've seen, especially that pickguard bolt. Do you keep a buffing wheel in the garage, Joe?

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    Re: I finally got a play a real 'burst...(Gladys)

    I held the neck to my ear and picked some odd chords and listened to the huge harmonic structure of the notes and chords as they sustained and developed from big notes fading to the overtones. And the way the sound echoed/reverberated in the wood. Joe asked that I let the amp/speakers warm up a bit before cranking it.
    The amp was about 15 feet away in the closet off the back side of a large bathroom/shower area. Looked like a Marshall 1962 "bluesbreaker" later style cab. I didn't look at it close or even see how it was set. Based on how it sounded I'd guess right in the sweet spot just about maxed.
    Played abunch of noodly riffs. Big chunky chords, hard, soft picking. hybrid picking with a pick "tele style", bare finger cluster. Stock stining blues licks. lots of bends with dynamics.
    That guitar has an amazing dynamic range and extremely complex "finish" to the notes whether acoustic or electric.

    It's always "funny" to me when a good player with a VERY good ear picks up Gladys, and hears/feels/senses things IMMEDIATELY. I say "funny" because I read SO much on this Forum from guys that have not/CAN not differentiate between things that have always been SO VERY CLEAR to me and others...Today's session reminded me of one of the sessions that *I* spent with C. Daughtry many years ago at HIS house - that was the first time that I "got it" - the overtones, the "note bloom", the secondary tone - whatEVER you want to refer to it as...

    This is the kind of info that keeps me coming back here everyday. There is just no other place quite like this forum. Lots of knowledgeable and talented people sharing experiences like this is priceless!
    Someday, I hope to know what you guys know!
    Thank you!

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    Re: I finally got a play a real 'burst...(Gladys)

    Joe...you need to bring that guitar by my house again. I've GOT to photograph it again.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Decoy205 View Post

    You are sooooooo lucky.

    Joe you seem like a really nice guy!!
    Who, Joe Ganzler? Lucky, I wouldn't say that. Nice? Certainly not!!

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    Re: I finally got a play a real 'burst...(Gladys)

    Quote Originally Posted by CDaughtry View Post
    Joe...you need to bring that guitar by my house again. I've GOT to photograph it again.....
    Better yet - how 'bout a LONG overdue visit to SoCal...?
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    Re: I finally got a play a real 'burst...(Gladys)

    I was just searching for some info and this thread came up.

    Ya know, this visit was February 2nd, 2010. I was so shaken by the sound/feel (gotta be the headstock angle and better wood) that I sought out and had a 1956 to convert delivered on Feb 18th.

    Feels VERY similar. I've added the long magnets from one of the '56 P90s to my short mag PAFs. Perfect candidate as bridge and tail posts are factory. No neck reset needed.


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    Re: I finally got a play a real 'burst...(Gladys)

    Im jealous, cause i dont have possibility to play Burst here in Europe.

    But folks, why dont you have Zoom H2 recorder for example and dont record some clips in such situations?
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    But folks, why dont you have Zoom H2 recorder for example and dont record some clips in such situations?
    With our arm chair clip critics ready to pounce, it would be a real masochist who was willing to undertake such an adventure.
    Thanks...but I think I'll just go pound my balls flat with a hammer....

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    Re: I finally got a play a real 'burst...(Gladys)

    Quote Originally Posted by CDaughtry View Post
    With our arm chair clip critics ready to pounce, it would be a real masochist who was willing to undertake such an adventure.
    Thanks...but I think I'll just go pound my balls flat with a hammer....
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    Re: I finally got a play a real 'burst...(Gladys)

    After reading progrocker's question I swear I could feel THAT answer coming...!

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    Re: I finally got a play a real 'burst...(Gladys)

    Quote Originally Posted by Progrocker111 View Post
    Im jealous, cause i dont have possibility to play Burst here in Europe.

    But folks, why dont you have Zoom H2 recorder for example and dont record some clips in such situations?
    I did that very thing at Tom's shop with the intentions of A,B comparisons between a couple of his Bursts and my R9. I borrowed my buddies Zoom a week before and spent hours getting familiar with it so I could post clips and have a good catalog of sounds for tone reference. Showed up, got dumbfounded, and completely for got I even had it with me. You have so much you're trying to take in, before you know it it's been 4hrs. and u gotta drive back home a couple hours.

    Maybe next time, cause I'm sure some would really enjoy it.

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    It is such a privilege to have guys like Tom, Joe and others let guys like me really play these guitars. I still thank them very much.
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