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    Re: 1971 54/58 reissue

    Er well it is old wood now,mine 46 years old.modern reissues are great guitars.my main guitar is a collectors choice 15.and I've compared it side by side to a genuine 58.it was better than the original in my opinion.the build of the 71/58 is closer to a 50s guitar than a 68 it does have a long neck tenon,correct heal joint and thin binding in the cutaway.however,I accept that not all of them will be great,just as not all 68s are great.but mine is way above any other early 70s LP I've tried,and I'm not keen on pancake bodies.
    Quote Originally Posted by Big Al View Post
    I disagree with most of the, ahem, .. hyperbole and flippity flappery associated with these. NOT old wood or made from a secret stash of 50' wood.
    NOT made from leftover bodies, necks or any parts/hardware.
    NOT an accurate replica or build, but very good for early 70's.
    NOT a better sounding or playing Les Paul than other 71-73 LPs, pickups and bridge aside.

    They were cool back then. We bought them, dug 'em and moved on. Clean, 100% original examples are very collectible and sought after. But, modified or non original examples, or beat up so called "player grade" that have, IMO over inflated prices and esteem? NOT hardly.

    WHY? What do you gain? Outside of Mike Campbell, I can't think of anyone who regularly uses one. Outside clean collectibles, why bother when the Historics are better, more accurate reissues, more reasonable weight on average and less than half the price? Even at the same price, why? It makes little sense. And no way are they better than CMI 68's.

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    Re: 1971 54/58 reissue

    No long tenon on a 71/58

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    Re: 1971 54/58 reissue

    Quote Originally Posted by Progrocker111 View Post
    Only difference is missing middle sandwich plate (the one just under maple top is still present) and one piece necks instead of three. None of this has significant tone influence.
    You forgot narrow headstock and narrow binding in the cutaway.
    And of course, different pickups [until the late 1970s].
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    Re: 1971 54/58 reissue

    These have way more in common with 70s guitars in feel and build. Prog got to the point. That sandwich body, small headstock and stop tail are the only real differences. Yes, they also had a few with Tune-O-matic. that just made those more like regular 70s guitars.

    They are heavy, lame top carve, chrome hardware, phenolic faceplate with block logo, etc.

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    Re: 1971 54/58 reissue

    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Wittrock View Post
    These are built different from other 70s Les Pauls.
    And some did come with t-o-m's.
    Tom, the build is the same with model specs that reflect the reissue aim. Smaller headstock one piece neck an body but none of the era specific build or manufacture methods are different and no additional 50's build specs like hot hide glue or routing/carving employed.
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    Re: 1971 54/58 reissue

    I wouldn't kick one out of bed.
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    Re: 1971 54/58 reissue

    I owned one , played that guitar for 18 years or so . Paid 850.00 bought the guitar from Petes Guitar . Real lame top carve , I really did like the sound and the way it played . My 2014 R4 is a better value at todays prices, the guitar was a good one although IMO over priced if you compare this model to a historic .
    Ive never confused owning a bunch of high end gear with being some kind of a guitar player I'm a hack and I love guitars

  8. #48

    Re: 1971 54/58 reissue

    Quote Originally Posted by AA00475Bassman View Post
    I owned one , played that guitar for 18 years or so . Paid 850.00 bought the guitar from Petes Guitar . Real lame top carve , I really did like the sound and the way it played . My 2014 R4 is a better value at todays prices, the guitar was a good one although IMO over priced if you compare this model to a historic .
    If you compare any vintage Gibson to a modern reissue on price. Most are not good value.
    my collectors choice 15 is every bit as good if not better than the original guitar but 200k cheaper.
    l supose it's just down to rarity. And foolish nostalgia.

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    Re: 1971 54/58 reissue

    Quote Originally Posted by Dicko845 View Post
    If you compare any vintage Gibson to a modern reissue on price. Most are not good value.
    my collectors choice 15 is every bit as good if not better than the original guitar but 200k cheaper.
    l supose it's just down to rarity. And foolish nostalgia.
    IMO any guitar built after 65 is not vintage , i will restate, if my 54/58 was the same price as a R4 historic I would still choose my R4 .
    Ive never confused owning a bunch of high end gear with being some kind of a guitar player I'm a hack and I love guitars

  10. #50

    Re: 1971 54/58 reissue

    Would having a tunomatic identify the year of production for this run of guitars? From what I’ve read those were rare for these. I just got mine this year at a pawnshop for $1,200. It has been routed and has a T top neck and an old 59 Duncan bridge. The pots were changed out for some reason and date 77 so I have nothing to go on. Doesn’t really matter it sounds great.

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    Re: 1971 54/58 reissue

    pics of that one please
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    Re: 1971 54/58 reissue

    Quote Originally Posted by Ponchos Lefty View Post
    Would having a tunomatic identify the year of production for this run of guitars? From what I’ve read those were rare for these. I just got mine this year at a pawnshop for $1,200. It has been routed and has a T top neck and an old 59 Duncan bridge. The pots were changed out for some reason and date 77 so I have nothing to go on. Doesn’t really matter it sounds great.
    Are you sure it is the71/72 58 Reissue and not a routed Deluxe? If it is the "58" Reissue it's a 71 or 72. Close enough given its condition. The serial number might point to the year, it wouldn't be a 77.
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    Re: 1971 54/58 reissue

    Quote Originally Posted by Dicko845 View Post
    Er well it is old wood now,mine 46 years old.modern reissues are great guitars.my main guitar is a collectors choice 15.and I've compared it side by side to a genuine 58.it was better than the original in my opinion.the build of the 71/58 is closer to a 50s guitar than a 68 it does have a long neck tenon,correct heal joint and thin binding in the cutaway.however,I accept that not all of them will be great,just as not all 68s are great.but mine is way above any other early 70s LP I've tried,and I'm not keen on pancake bodies.
    No it's not "Old Wood" as the term bandied about guitars means. It is a 46 year old used guitar. Old Wood refers to the age of the tree, not how old the guitar is. I strongly disagree with your statement regarding this "58 Reissue" vs the 68. Your facts are wrong. The 68 is much closer to the 50's than the 71/72 Reissue.

    The 68 was built by CMI the same as in the 50's by many of the same folks, on the same machines with the original templates. Yes the neck pitch changed from 4 to 5 degrees as is the 58RI but unlike the 58RI, the 68 retained the 17 degree headstock pitch, vintage 50's tenon, correct top carve and color and neck profile. The p90's are closer to late 50's than the 58RI.

    Yes the heel is squarish and it has the wide cutaway binding and I'm not sure if it has the thin maple crossband between maple top and mahogany body like the 58RI but any fair assessment of these two shows the 68 is so very much like a 56/57 p90 Goldtop. The 71/72 58RI is not near the same build.
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    Re: 1971 54/58 reissue

    Quote Originally Posted by Big Al View Post
    Are you sure it is the71/72 58 Reissue and not a routed Deluxe? If it is the "58" Reissue it's a 71 or 72. Close enough given its condition. The serial number might point to the year, it wouldn't be a 77.
    Yes it is definatly one of the 58 reissue guitars. When I was trying to identify it I contacted Stephen from the Late Sixties Les Paul Site and he confirmed it. It has the thin maple right beneath the cap and no other pancake to it. Thin binding where it is also visible. Small headstock and so on. I havnt figured out how to post pics on this page. It does sound great and it weighs 9.6lbs.

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    Re: 1971 54/58 reissue

    Quote Originally Posted by Ponchos Lefty View Post
    Yes it is definatly one of the 58 reissue guitars. When I was trying to identify it I contacted Stephen from the Late Sixties Les Paul Site and he confirmed it. It has the thin maple right beneath the cap and no other pancake to it. Thin binding where it is also visible. Small headstock and so on. I havnt figured out how to post pics on this page. It does sound great and it weighs 9.6lbs.
    The thin cutaway binding/small headstock pretty much proves it.
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    Re: 1971 54/58 reissue

    John Fogerty owns several of these guitars. I bought mine new in 1972. It sounds and plays great. It weighs in at 9.5 pounds. I've owned a '69 Les Paul Deluxe (with mini humbuckers), a '72 Deluxe with factory installed full-size humbuckers. To me, the 54/58 Standard is a better guitar than those. Plug it into my '60 Bassman, and you hear a tone that is really amazing! Okay, I also currently own a '55 with tune-o-matic bridge. Does it sound better? Perhaps a little better. And that one does have "old wood." But, not sure it sounds that much better than my 54/58.

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    Re: 1971 54/58 reissue

    Quote Originally Posted by textor101 View Post
    John Fogerty owns several of these guitars. I bought mine new in 1972. It sounds and plays great. It weighs in at 9.5 pounds. I've owned a '69 Les Paul Deluxe (with mini humbuckers), a '72 Deluxe with factory installed full-size humbuckers. To me, the 54/58 Standard is a better guitar than those. Plug it into my '60 Bassman, and you hear a tone that is really amazing! Okay, I also currently own a '55 with tune-o-matic bridge. Does it sound better? Perhaps a little better. And that one does have "old wood." But, not sure it sounds that much better than my 54/58.
    I never saw John with one. I've seen him use Historics but not the early 70's. Glad you like yours.
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    Re: 1971 54/58 reissue

    Quote Originally Posted by Big Al View Post
    I never saw John with one. I've seen him use Historics but not the early 70's. Glad you like yours.
    Thanks Big Al. According to my guitar tech, Fogerty owns around 20 of these guitars. I have some photos of him playing one, but I don't know how to post here. In any event, I love playing all of my Les Paul guitars! In addition to the '72 and '55, I own the Custom Shop Jeff Beck Oxblood, and Custom Shop 50th Anniversary "59" Les Paul.

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    Re: 1971 54/58 reissue

    John plays a 71/72 sometimes.John Fogerty's main road guitar is a 1970 Gibson Les Paul goldtop with a wraparound bridge and its original P-90 pickups that really punch through the mix.
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    Re: 1971 54/58 reissue



    This link for huge version clearly showing this to be a block logo early 70s Goldtop:

    http://images.equipboard.com/uploads...g?v=1424540111

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    Re: 1971 54/58 reissue

    Quote Originally Posted by Wilko View Post


    This link for huge version clearly showing this to be a block logo early 70s Goldtop:

    http://images.equipboard.com/uploads...g?v=1424540111
    See, you learn something new every day! I've seen him several times and never saw one. Thanks for the info.
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    Re: 1971 54/58 reissue

    I learned it from this thread!

    I google him and goldtops, and this guitar is all over the place! I never really payed him that much attention. He just seemed like such a dork after Centerfieeld.

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    Re: 1971 54/58 reissue

    Quote Originally Posted by Big Al View Post
    See, you learn something new every day! I've seen him several times and never saw one. Thanks for the info.
    I had the dvd for “ A Long Road Home” a few years ago where the concert was recorded in California. He plays this guitar throughout the show. I’ve had a couple of these guitars myself. The first one I did not like because it had a very tapered neck. Had the goof rings which I liked. The second one had a fat neck and no goof rings but unfortunately had a smiley surface crack on one side of the neck/ headstock.

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    Re: 1971 54/58 reissue

    Quote Originally Posted by Big Al View Post

    The 68 was built by CMI the same as in the 50's by many of the same folks, on the same machines with the original templates. Yes the neck pitch changed from 4 to 5 degrees as is the 58RI but unlike the 58RI, the 68 retained the 17 degree headstock pitch, vintage 50's tenon, correct top carve and color and neck profile.
    Headstock pitch was 14 degrees on these '68s and going forward. Never liked that - may sound the same, but looks wrong.

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    Re: 1971 54/58 reissue

    The headstock angle was the biggest differences to me withe many '68s I played.

    While outwardly, the bodies were very similar to vintage, and even had the lighter wood, the build method was very different as the cavities were cut before the tops were put on. This gives us the impossible-to-fake tells of a real 1968.

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    Re: 1971 54/58 reissue

    No personal experience, but being an LP enthusiast over considerable years, these curiously named early types of 'reissues' often cropped up in my LP 'learning curve'.

    IMO and FWIW 'today' in the time-frame concerning which we speak, I have heard owners speak of them as often 'heavy' and given the various 'changes' of the Gibson Norlin period construction-wise when compared to the 50's originals, personally ruled-out buying one.

    Interesting guitar 'historically' nonetheless.


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    Re: 1971 54/58 reissue

    Well I bought my '72 54/58 brand new in early '73. I have enjoyed playing it all these years. Yes I know Norlin has a poor reputation, but this guitar must be considered an exception. And mine weighs in at only 9.5 pounds. According to noted Les Paul historian Rob Lawrence "These early '71-72 reissues are now quite collectable, and have those great, inherent, vibrant Les Paul tones." Mine also has the "goof rings." I have made only one change. I replaced the original bridge with a Tone Pros locking bridge. But I still have the original bridge.

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    Re: 1971 54/58 reissue

    Quote Originally Posted by textor101 View Post
    Well I bought my '72 54/58 brand new in early '73. I have enjoyed playing it all these years. Yes I know Norlin has a poor reputation, but this guitar must be considered an exception. And mine weighs in at only 9.5 pounds. According to noted Les Paul historian Rob Lawrence "These early '71-72 reissues are now quite collectable, and have those great, inherent, vibrant Les Paul tones." Mine also has the "goof rings." I have made only one change. I replaced the original bridge with a Tone Pros locking bridge. But I still have the original bridge.
    NICE! .. sounds like yer trying to sell.

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    Re: 1971 54/58 reissue

    Quote Originally Posted by Black58 View Post
    NICE! .. sounds like yer trying to sell.
    Thanks Black 58. I have often thought about selling it, but I think I'm too emotionally attached to it.

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