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    Oxblood — origins?

    When and how did the term "oxblood" come into use to describe that color on a Les Paul? Until reading the term mostly on this forum, I seem to remember the color being referred to as "chocolate".

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    Jeff Beck

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    It's literally Ox Blood: from the 1700s in Merry Olde England, after butchering an Ox... look at the dried blood. Don't know how it landed on Jeff's guitar

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    Re: Oxblood — origins?



    It depends on the light, I've seen a oxblood custom in a guitar shop and I thought it was black.
    In direct bright sun they do look chocolate. But the above shows more oxbloody....
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    Here's a picture of mine.

    Depending on the angle of the light it can look black or quite dried blood red.

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    Here's a pic pic my '03 sunning itself in California today!!!



    Mark

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    Re: Oxblood — origins?

    Last time i heard is that Jeff wanted a '54 but it was in only done in Goldtop, so he had it painted Ebony over the GT and this what turned out. Obviously Gibson cash in on it and made the Oxblood with Jeff's name in tow.

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    Re: Oxblood — origins?

    Do most of you "Oxblooders" keep your pups uncovered? If I had one, I think I'd like it better with covers (although it looks great without).
    He tells me he's a werewolf who's going to marry a nun. 'Jesus, son,' I tell him. 'If you are, we've hit the bigtime. We're getting out of the goddamn bars, baby. I mean, once a month, when the moon's full, we can do the Ed Sullivan show" --Ronnie Hawkins talking about Roy Buchanan

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    Re: Oxblood — origins?

    Quote Originally Posted by Brownie View Post
    Do most of you "Oxblooders" keep your pups uncovered? If I had one, I think I'd like it better with covers (although it looks great without).
    Like this?




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    Re: Oxblood — origins?

    There's a few of these Customs running around now....

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    Re: Oxblood — origins?

    Quote Originally Posted by ultra View Post
    Like this?



    Nice one! Better with the covers on, for my tastes.

    I like the reflectors, but I like the gold speed knobs better (I think). I wonder how gold reflectors would look...
    He tells me he's a werewolf who's going to marry a nun. 'Jesus, son,' I tell him. 'If you are, we've hit the bigtime. We're getting out of the goddamn bars, baby. I mean, once a month, when the moon's full, we can do the Ed Sullivan show" --Ronnie Hawkins talking about Roy Buchanan

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    Re: Oxblood — origins?

    Quote Originally Posted by ultra View Post
    Like this?




    Beautiful, covers and top hats, does the position of the stop bar cause any stringing or intonation problems/limitations?


    peace

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    Quote Originally Posted by ES345 View Post
    Beautiful, covers and top hats, does the position of the stop bar cause any stringing or intonation problems/limitations?


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    No problems at all. I think that if you use a .009 set you might have some difficulties but with .010 and higher, it is really good.

    I use a sharp ridged Pigtail tailpiece which has a great break angle.

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    Re: Oxblood — origins?

    Quote Originally Posted by ES345 View Post
    . . . [D]oes the position of the stop bar cause any stringing or intonation problems/limitations? peace
    Re tuning and intonation: IMO - and according to my Peterson strobe tuner - no. Re stringing: it's a tight fit, but you can replace any broken string with the stop bar on, no problem.

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    Re: Oxblood — origins?

    I was at a pub in London recently, and as the streetlight shone through the window into my pint of Guinness, I looked at the color and was convinced that that's where Jeff Beck got the idea for his Oxblood LP.

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    Re: Oxblood — origins?

    Quote Originally Posted by Brownie View Post
    Do most of you "Oxblooders" keep your pups uncovered? If I had one, I think I'd like it better with covers (although it looks great without).
    When I saw Jeff Beck use his Oxblood with BBA, he had the pu covers on. Me and a few friends snuck backstage after the show and met the band on their way out of the theater. I asked Jeff what year and he said it was a '56, which we know is wrong. But he complained to me that it was feeding back alot. So it seems he yanked the covers off to fix the microphonic FB problem.

    He bought the guitar already modded from Strings & Things in Memphis BTW. The color wasn't his idea. He just liked it according to S&T.
    "It's a Marshall bubby. It gets loud." Ace Frehley

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    Damn! Stop giving me GAS!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by The Shifter View Post
    the streetlight shone through the window into my pint of Guinness
    Mmmm, Guinness, arrrrrrrlllllllll.......

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    Re: Oxblood — origins?

    I'm very torn between this and a r7 custom 3 pups as my next guitar..

    I wonder how chambered Oxbloods compare to non-chambered ones..did anyone had the chance to make a comparison?

    'cause there seem to be only chambered around these days (you don't see many oxbloods used) and I play mainly high gain stuff, I'm not fond of hollows or semihollows hybrids generally (mainly feedback issues)
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    Re: Oxblood — origins?

    What do these look like under stage lights? Black or red?

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    Re: Oxblood — origins?

    Quote Originally Posted by captaincanada View Post
    What do these look like under stage lights? Black or red?
    Like this, kinda light black, if that makes any sense. But, Sometimes in the right/bright light you see more of the color.
    Marc


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    Re: Oxblood — origins?

    Oxblood, huh? I guess we should be glad they didn't call it liver!
    "A little bit of knowledge can be a very dangerous thing."

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    At least no oxen were harmed in the making of these guitars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ag_Nathus View Post

    THAT was inspiring!

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    Re: Oxblood — origins?

    Thanks for the info and the pictures. Some good looking guitars here.

    I remember, quite a few years ago, seeing a Custom, the color of which was designated as Blackcherry. It was very unique and cool looking and I've not seen another one since.

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    Re: Oxblood — origins?

    My one has a rather nice Brazilian board on it. Came from the guys at Wildwood. I fitted a late 50's wrap over tail....Very Yummy!

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    Re: Oxblood — origins?

    Quote Originally Posted by Barry Clark View Post
    THAT was inspiring!
    Yes, but of course, the oxblood is secondary. If a fella can throw down like that, he could plug an Aria into a pillow and people would still bow down before him!

    My favorite part is where Beck-o gets fed up with trying to get somebody to bring the talkbox up in the monitors and says "Screw it!" and tears into the chorus...

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    Re: Oxblood — origins?

    Hey Ultra - how difficult was it to replace the Schallers with Grovers - any drilling beyond the new hole for the small retaining screw?

    Thanks in advance!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elliot Easton View Post
    Oxblood, huh? I guess we should be glad they didn't call it liver!
    Liver Damage Brown
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    Re: Oxblood — origins?

    Quote Originally Posted by surfer View Post
    Hey Ultra - how difficult was it to replace the Schallers with Grovers - any drilling beyond the new hole for the small retaining screw?

    Thanks in advance!
    Surfer,

    Straight in...no probs. You will have to drill a new hole, as you say, which is a small price to pay for a better result

    Looks heaps better with Grovers, IMHO.

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    Re: Oxblood — origins?

    Quote Originally Posted by surfer View Post
    Hey Ultra - how difficult was it to replace the Schallers with Grovers - any drilling beyond the new hole for the small retaining screw?

    Thanks in advance!
    Surfer,

    Straight in...no probs. You will have to drill a new hole, as you say, which is a small price to pay for a better result

    Looks heaps better with Grovers, IMHO.

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    Re: Oxblood — origins?

    Thanks for info. Yeah, the Schallers are ugly, and there is nothing special about the way they work. Grovers are what I put on back in the day (of course, I also routed my POS red '65 strat for a humbucker in 1979), and Grovers it will be!

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    Re: Oxblood — origins?

    You don't need to drill or use the screws. If you'll notice, there are 3 small splines at the base of Grovers. Once the bushing is torqued down, those 3 splines do a great job of keeping the tuner from spinning. You could also try installing a set of Klusons. In that case you would have to drill for screws. The way Gibson drills out for Grovers on my Page CA, Kluson bushings fit snug and the screw holes were already there to simulate Pages modded burst. They might have drilled the same way on Oxbloods, I don't know. Check it out.

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    Re: Oxblood — origins?

    Grovers and heavily aged covers Imperial Lollars.
    That's the way it looks and SOUNDS good for me^^



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    Re: Oxblood — origins?

    By the way, I'm such a monomaniac kind of guy but I've just bought a LPR7 with 2 burstbuckers and a wraparound in GOLDTOP, I'll receive next week.
    As I'm not what you might call patient, I was wondering if anyone could tell the differences between the Oxblood and the goldtop one except for their finishes.
    This would answer another question, Is the oxblood a LPR7 with a wraparound or a LPR4 with humbuckers? Am I a jerk for asking myself such questions?
    :D

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    Re: Oxblood — origins?

    Quote Originally Posted by cosmitron View Post
    By the way, I'm such a monomaniac kind of guy but I've just bought a LPR7 with 2 burstbuckers and a wraparound in GOLDTOP, I'll receive next week.
    As I'm not what you might call patient, I was wondering if anyone could tell the differences between the Oxblood and the goldtop one except for their finishes.
    This would answer another question, Is the oxblood a LPR7 with a wraparound or a LPR4 with humbuckers? Am I a jerk for asking myself such questions?
    :D
    In theory it is an R4 with humbuckers.

    In actuallity there would probably be very little difference between an R4 with humbuckers and an R7 with a factory original wraparound. My Oxblood has a slightly bigger neck than my R7, but neck sizes vary anyways.

    The only real difference is that bridge pup on the Oxblood should be closer to the bridge than the R7 pup if it is accurate to Beck's original.



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    Re: Oxblood — origins?

    So the question makes sense!
    As far as I know, according to the pictures I've been sent, the Bridge pup looks as close to its bridge than on my Oxblood. The missing pickguard part helps to see that.
    Here's a pic:

    Now I'll wait to check if there is any difference uin the neck shape..

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    Re: Oxblood — origins?

    OK, so I'm checking vintage Grover tuners on the bay... anything specific to look or watch out for?

    Thanks!

    P.S., my Oxblood has a huge neck, it's the same shape as the old ones, but (seems) about 20% bigger. At first I was skeptical, but I am really digging it with 11s!

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