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    Re: Official CS-356 and 336 Registry (post your pics here)

    Today, I got an email from the LPF that clay had uploaded some new photos. Indeed great shots and great subject matter. However in going through the 4 pages I noted that many of the photos that had been uploaded are gone, either to source link inactivity, removal, cancellation https://www.flickr.com/photos/187397...7631055892184/ or change to a link, etc, which is one of the big reasons I do not like having to upload a photo to a third location and then link that location to here. We should be able to upload directly to the group.

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    Re: Official CS-356 and 336 Registry (post your pics here)

    Would certainly make life easier for the users, but I bet it's expensive to host. Took me a while to figure out how to post a Flickr photo without all the "footer stuff" they provide with the code... and Thanks!

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    Re: Official CS-356 and 336 Registry (post your pics here)

    Clay - it never gets old! Thanks

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    Re: Official CS-356 and 336 Registry (post your pics here)

    Hi everyone, I'm new to the forum. Just wanted to share some pics of my newly acquired CS-356 Koa top. I understand it's a rare bird and consider myself lucky to have found one
    Her serial # is CS 001815. I wonder how many of these Koa top were made and what is the production years range (?) Thanks in advance for your replies !
    Best wishes. Bertrand





  5. #165

    Re: Official CS-356 and 336 Registry (post your pics here)

    Quote Originally Posted by bma3008 View Post

    Hi everyone, I'm new to the forum. Just wanted to share some pics of my newly acquired CS-356 Koa top. I understand it's a rare bird and consider myself lucky to have found one Her serial # is CS 001815. I wonder how many of these Koa top were made and what is the production years range (?) Thanks in advance for your replies !Best wishes. Bertrand
    Welcome!

    Can't tell you how many or what years, but I remember hanging out with Saul Frank at his shop Centre City Music when he had several koa 356s there! I think it was 2005-7 timeframe. And lefties, too. I couldn't afford one, and have yet to see one pop up for sale.

    For a long time Tommy Shaw was top of the website for CC Music with a translucent blue maple top 356! I miss Saul and his commitment to lefty Gibsons.

    Enjoy this...

  6. #166

    Re: Official CS-356 and 336 Registry (post your pics here)

    Very nice!
    the faster we go the rounder we get

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    Re: Official CS-356 and 336 Registry (post your pics here)

    Great looking 356 .....

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    Re: Official CS-356 and 336 Registry (post your pics here)

    Nice looking Koa 356 - welcome to the club.
    Most of the Koa 356s have come out of special limited runs done for a few of the top-level independent dealers, perhaps 3 to 5 out of 25 made at a time for the likes of now-defunct Centre City and Music Machine a couple of times a year in the mid-2000s and Wildwood or Music Zoo a bit later. There may have been a few for Musician's Friend/Private Reserve at one point. These runs typically include 'exotic' non-standard colors and more rarely exotic woods like quilted maple, koa, or korina. In Wildwood's case they've done non-standard specs - different necks and headstocks, or custom pickups in additions to non-standard woods and colors on runs of 356s and 336s). I'm guessing there probably weren't many more than 15-25 Koa 356s made in a given year, probably less than 200 overall - and very few lately. [But that's just a hunch as a close observer of the model over the last 15 years]

  9. #169

    Re: Official CS-356 and 336 Registry (post your pics here)

    Quote Originally Posted by clayville View Post
    Nice looking Koa 356 - welcome to the club.
    Most of the Koa 356s have come out of special limited runs done for a few of the top-level independent dealers, perhaps 3 to 5 out of 25 made at a time for the likes of now-defunct Centre City and Music Machine a couple of times a year in the mid-2000s and Wildwood or Music Zoo a bit later. There may have been a few for Musician's Friend/Private Reserve at one point. These runs typically include 'exotic' non-standard colors and more rarely exotic woods like quilted maple, koa, or korina. In Wildwood's case they've done non-standard specs - different necks and headstocks, or custom pickups in additions to non-standard woods and colors on runs of 356s and 336s). I'm guessing there probably weren't many more than 15-25 Koa 356s made in a given year, probably less than 200 overall - and very few lately. [But that's just a hunch as a close observer of the model over the last 15 years]
    Great info, Clayville. And as always, yours is the One 356 to rule them all


    Here's Tommy Shaw with his CCM 356, posing inside of CCM


  10. #170

    Re: Official CS-356 and 336 Registry (post your pics here)

    Mine from the Zoo


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    Re: Official CS-356 and 336 Registry (post your pics here)

    Quote Originally Posted by jb_abides View Post
    Great info, Clayville. And as always, yours is the One 356 to rule them all
    I can't remember if I've related this here (so forgive me), but your comment hits so close to "home" and the truth of the matter I might as well: back in the day in my real life, I was the guy in charge of all Tolkien book publishing in the USA leading up to and through the heady movie years for The Lord of the Rings. My CS-356 was bought with bonus money earned from navigating those waters safely for the books and Tolkien's legacy as best I could (I had nothing to do with PJ and the movies themselves, though I once had lunch with Richard Taylor and Sean Astin and did an event with Viggo for the "making of the movie" books we also published). So... I've always called it my Fires of Mount Doom guitar.

  12. #172

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    Quote Originally Posted by clayville View Post
    I can't remember if I've related this here (so forgive me), but your comment hits so close to "home" and the truth of the matter I might as well: back in the day in my real life, I was the guy in charge of all Tolkien book publishing in the USA leading up to and through the heady movie years for The Lord of the Rings. My CS-356 was bought with bonus money earned from navigating those waters safely for the books and Tolkien's legacy as best I could (I had nothing to do with PJ and the movies themselves, though I once had lunch with Richard Taylor and Sean Astin and did an event with Viggo for the "making of the movie" books we also published). So... I've always called it my Fires of Mount Doom guitar.
    First I've heard this, and I followed your 356 posts for a while... awesomeness!

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    Re: Official CS-356 and 336 Registry (post your pics here)

    Quote Originally Posted by bma3008 View Post
    Hi everyone, I'm new to the forum. Just wanted to share some pics of my newly acquired CS-356 Koa top. I understand it's a rare bird and consider myself lucky to have found one
    Her serial # is CS 001815. I wonder how many of these Koa top were made and what is the production years range (?) Thanks in advance for your replies !
    Best wishes. Bertrand




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  14. #174

    Re: Official CS-356 and 336 Registry (post your pics here)

    This thread is still alive!!

    latest picture on my #14 356 CA she just turn 15.

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    Re: Official CS-356 and 336 Registry (post your pics here)

    Quote Originally Posted by (urlym@ple View Post
    This thread is still alive!!

    latest picture on my #14 356 CA she just turn 15.
    Happy birthday, sister!
    -- Music Machine CS-356 #18

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    Re: Official CS-356 and 336 Registry (post your pics here)

    My 2018 CS-336 P90 M2M. I really liked the idea of Gibson making an all mahogany 336, but didn't like the wrap tail or the 3-on-a-plate white plastic tuners. I also wanted a HUGE, FAT neck. Here's the result: ABR1 bridge, Grover nickel Rotos and a massive/fat/beefy/big shouldered neck ( as evidenced in the last photo), measuring in at 1.031" at the 1st fret. A true baseball bat neck. I absolutely love this guitar. Another post has the '57 Goldtop R7 I ordered right after receiving this one.




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    Re: Official CS-356 and 336 Registry (post your pics here)

    NOW THAT'S A FIDDLE! Love the finish, love the NECK! AWESOME! I love a FAT neck on a 3XX! First dibs if you wanna get rid of it!


  18. #178

    Re: Official CS-356 and 336 Registry (post your pics here)

    Hi, I'm About to buy A Used Gibson CS 356 (+ Bigsby) but the current owner couldn't tell me what year It was from...
    I have absolutely no idea how to figure out the Custom Shop Serial Numbers, but the serial number of that particular Guitar IS : CS 86390.... Could anyone tell me in what year It was made Please ???

    Thanks in advance, Much appreciated !!!

    Greets from Antwerp, Belgium.

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    Re: Official CS-356 and 336 Registry (post your pics here)

    On that serial number CS = Custom Shop. Usually, the first number ('8') indicates the year and the four numbers after indicate the guitar's place in the production sequence as Gibson explains here:
    https://www.gibson.com/Support/Serial-Number-Search

    "Custom Shop regular production models
    CSYRRRR
    CS stands for "Custom Shop"
    Y indicates the production year
    RRRR indicates the guitar's place in the sequence of production"

    So it could be 2008 or 2018.
    Mine is from 2003, serial number CS30505. The best way to verify yours is to send a photo of the guitar and the serial number to Gibson customer service...
    Welcome to the Club! They're great guitars.

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    Re: Official CS-356 and 336 Registry (post your pics here)

    Quote Originally Posted by clayville View Post
    On that serial number CS = Custom Shop. Usually, the first number ('8') indicates the year and the four numbers after indicate the guitar's place in the production sequence as Gibson explains here:
    https://www.gibson.com/Support/Serial-Number-Search

    "Custom Shop regular production models
    CSYRRRR
    CS stands for "Custom Shop"
    Y indicates the production year
    RRRR indicates the guitar's place in the sequence of production"

    So it could be 2008 or 2018.
    Mine is from 2003, serial number CS30505. The best way to verify yours is to send a photo of the guitar and the serial number to Gibson customer service...
    Welcome to the Club! They're great guitars.


    Hi Clayville, that means that the one I have my Eye on is from 2008. One owner. He's willing to let her go for 2.250,- € EUROS !! Is that A fair price in your opinion ? Any idea what kind of PU's they put in them in 2008...?? Thanks for your help !! Greets, Arne.

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    Re: Official CS-356 and 336 Registry (post your pics here)

    Quote Originally Posted by Ernie View Post
    Hi Clayville, that means that the one I have my Eye on is from 2008. One owner. He's willing to let her go for 2.250,- € EUROS !! Is that A fair price in your opinion ? Any idea what kind of PU's they put in them in 2008...?? Thanks for your help !! Greets, Arne.
    Easy one first: CS-356's came with '57 Classics in 2008 (and in almost all cases). They sound great in these guitars in my opinion.

    Translating to US dollars, that's about US $2500 which is close to the middle of Reverb's price guidance and lower than many recent reported sales there (search their Price Guide, then click on one of the models for recent sales) so it seems like a fair asking price to me. In my opinion much would depend on condition and any maintenance issues it might have: Do the frets still have life in them? That's the most expensive issue you might encounter. On the other hand, the bigsby models were originally about $400-500 more than the non-bigsby models as I recall (assuming this one isn't an after-market bigsby added to it) so that makes the asking price seem even more fair. You don't mention the color, but some of the figured maple and quilted maple ones were priced about $800 higher when new, and the natural finish ones tended to be offered at that premium figured/quilted maple price point (about US $3800-$4200 when new in that time frame).

    Do you have photos of the one you're considering? There have been a few counterfeit 356s I've run across over the years... None of us could tell you for sure if it's authentic, but it's easier to spot something that just looks "wrong".

    For what it's worth, because the back and sides are all part of one solid slab of mahogany which is then routed to create the sound chambers and center block, in my experience CS-356s and CS-336s often have asymmetrical figuring on the back (mine does, shown in post #160 of this thread) - it isn't book matched like the top and it's functionally not an issue. I mention that so you don't worry about it if yours does too.

    I hope that helps... Good luck!
    Last edited by clayville; 12-10-19 at 04:50 PM.

  22. #182

    Re: Official CS-356 and 336 Registry (post your pics here)

    Quote Originally Posted by clayville View Post
    Easy one first: CS-356's came with '57 Classics in 2008 (and in almost all cases). They sound great in these guitars in my opinion.

    Translating to US dollars, that's about US $2500 which is close to the middle of Reverb's price guidance and lower than many recent reported sales there (search their Price Guide, then click on one of the models for recent sales) so it seems like a fair asking price to me. In my opinion much would depend on condition and any maintenance issues it might have: Do the frets still have life in them? That's the most expensive issue you might encounter. On the other hand, the bigsby models were originally about $400-500 more than the non-bigsby models as I recall (assuming this one isn't an after-market bigsby added to it) so that makes the asking price seem even more fair. You don't mention the color, but some of the figured maple and quilted maple ones were priced about $800 higher when new, and the natural finish ones tended to be offered at that premium figured/quilted maple price point (about US $3800-$4200 when new in that time frame).

    Do you have photos of the one you're considering? There have been a few counterfeit 356s I've run across over the years... None of us could tell you for sure if it's authentic, but it's easier to spot something that just looks "wrong".

    For what it's worth, because the back and sides are all part of one solid slab of mahogany which is then routed to create the sound chambers and center block, in my experience CS-356s and CS-336s often have asymmetrical figuring on the back (mine does, shown in post #160 of this thread) - it isn't book matched like the top and it's functionally not an issue. I mention that so you don't worry about it if yours does too.

    I hope that helps... Good luck!

    Hi Clayville,

    thx for the very extensive reply...
    The color is (wine?) red & judging from the online pics, the maple top isn't very "figured" but rather plain... I tried (but failed) to download the pics so here's the link to the online ad where I found the guitar... (hope that works?)


    http://link.2dehands.be/m1489944878?...=socialbuttons

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    Re: Official CS-356 and 336 Registry (post your pics here)

    Quote Originally Posted by Ernie View Post
    Hi Clayville,

    thx for the very extensive reply...
    The color is (wine?) red & judging from the online pics, the maple top isn't very "figured" but rather plain... I tried (but failed) to download the pics so here's the link to the online ad where I found the guitar... (hope that works?)


    http://link.2dehands.be/m1489944878?...=socialbuttons
    I see nothing that makes me think this isn't a real CS-356 in those photos. There's a little bit of flame/figure in that top, but that's the standard cherry red used on 356's I believe. For price estimating, I think you can ignore all I said above about fancy maples and more rare finishes - but the bigsby perhaps adds a couple hundred dollars of value compared to non-bigsby versions. Said another way, I think the presence of the bigsby makes this seemingly "middle of the market" asking price seem fair to me since you might expect to see a seller ask "slightly higher than the middle" for a 356 with a bigsby. I hope that makes sense.

    But... I've never shopped for one in Europe!

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    Re: Official CS-356 and 336 Registry (post your pics here)

    Quote Originally Posted by clayville View Post
    I see nothing that makes me think this isn't a real CS-356 in those photos. There's a little bit of flame/figure in that top, but that's the standard cherry red used on 356's I believe. For price estimating, I think you can ignore all I said above about fancy maples and more rare finishes - but the bigsby perhaps adds a couple hundred dollars of value compared to non-bigsby versions. Said another way, I think the presence of the bigsby makes this seemingly "middle of the market" asking price seem fair to me since you might expect to see a seller ask "slightly higher than the middle" for a 356 with a bigsby. I hope that makes sense.

    But... I've never shopped for one in Europe!

    Hi Clayville,

    Thx again... I'm torn between the 2008 CS356+Bigsby (2250€), a nice 2008 CS336 (SN# CS 101431 (@ 1700€) OR a mint 2015 "Lemon Burst" Memphis ES Les Paul with the "MHS" p.u.'s...The ES LP & the 336 do not have a Bigsby.

    I already own a (2014) CS LP "Florentine" & don't know if there will be a big sonic difference with the ES LP...??? From what I have already read on the forum I gather that the 336 & 356 are virtually identical soundwise (right??)
    Up to me to decide if a fancy binding + ebony board + Bigsby is worth the extra 550€ I guess... 🙄🙄🙄
    I Would really appreciate your thoughts / suggestions on the ES LP vs the 336/356...???

    Greets from Antwerp! Arne.

  25. #185

    Re: Official CS-356 and 336 Registry (post your pics here)

    Quote Originally Posted by Ernie View Post
    Hi Clayville,

    Thx again... I'm torn between the 2008 CS356+Bigsby (2250€), a nice 2008 CS336 (SN# CS 101431 (@ 1700€) OR a mint 2015 "Lemon Burst" Memphis ES Les Paul with the "MHS" p.u.'s...The ES LP & the 336 do not have a Bigsby.

    I already own a (2014) CS LP "Florentine" & don't know if there will be a big sonic difference with the ES LP...??? From what I have already read on the forum I gather that the 336 & 356 are virtually identical soundwise (right??)
    Up to me to decide if a fancy binding + ebony board + Bigsby is worth the extra 550€ I guess... 🙄🙄🙄
    I Would really appreciate your thoughts / suggestions on the ES LP vs the 336/356...???

    Greets from Antwerp! Arne.
    Forgot to add: The ES LP from 2014 would be 1600€...

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    Re: Official CS-356 and 336 Registry (post your pics here)

    Though guitars vary from one example to the next even when they're the same model, generally 336's and 356's have identical construction - only differences are the cosmetic ones you're aware of already (gold hardware, ebony fingerboards at this time, block inlays, three-ply binding on the 356). I really like the size and weight of the 336/356 design. A bigsby makes the one you're considering somewhat heavier, but probably still well under 8 lbs.

    Sonically 356's and 336's both fall somewhere in between 335's and LP's. Mine seems to have more of a "scooped" sound than the usual midrange strength of a 335 or an LP - it's strong in the lows, can be a bit brighter than a 335/LP player might expect, and can sound almost like a Tele on the bridge pickup sometimes. But there's a lot of versatility and a wide range of tone available from just twisting the knobs, and I've used mine for everything from blues to rock to jazz to funk over the last 16 years.

    Mine sounds woodier and more open than a chambered LP, but I've never played a Florentine or an ES LP so I can't compare them to a 356 (or to each other).
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