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    Re: Year-by-Year History of the Historic Les Paul Collection

    Yes the decal was sporadic in 94 and ended in early 94 due to customer complaints (the originals did not have them, so reissues should not either)

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    Re: Year-by-Year History of the Historic Les Paul Collection

    I came across something regarding the '07 Historic Les Pauls:

    >>“The guitars have also been given a lower neck pitch,” Wilson sites as an example, “so that the bridge is closer to the body, rather than up high like a ’70s guitar, which in turn improves the tone. We have also changed the actual location of the trussrod—we x-rayed some ’50s Les Pauls and found where the trussrod was in relation to the top and the back of the neck, and have repositioned the VOS trussrods accurately according to this.” <<

    and a list of changes:

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    * Vintage-style, vintage-profile fret wire
    * Historically accurate thin fingerboard binding that’s only .040-inch thick (which contributes greatly to the comfortable, vintage-feeling, “rolled” fingerboard edges)
    * Historically accurate carved arch on the guitars’ maple tops
    * Correct height of the binding in the cutaway
    * Accurately sized back control pocket route
    * Historically accurate 1/2-inch wire channel from toggle switch to control pocket
    * 5/8-inch heel with accurate heel shape
    * Correct distance between pickups
    * Historically accurate bridge, tailpiece, and control holes
    * Correctly tapered headstock with tuner holes in a straight line (rather than following the headstock edge)
    * 3/8-inch back-edge radius
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    here's where I found it:

    http://guitarplayer.wordpress.com/ca...-paul-reissue/

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    Re: Year-by-Year History of the Historic Les Paul Collection

    Most of these features did not start in 2007, some reach all the way back to 1993, and many were introduced since.

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    Re: Year-by-Year History of the Historic Les Paul Collection

    alright, maybe it's more a feature list then.

    but what's with the trussrod location?

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    Re: Year-by-Year History of the Historic Les Paul Collection

    The list says real Honduran mahogany for 2007. Does that apply to all Historic Les Pauls starting with 2007?

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    Re: Year-by-Year History of the Historic Les Paul Collection

    Quote Originally Posted by philip_m View Post
    I came across something regarding the '07 Historic Les Pauls:

    * Historically accurate bridge, tailpiece, and control holes

    here's where I found it:

    http://guitarplayer.wordpress.com/ca...-paul-reissue/
    The bridge didn't have the wire during this period. I don't see this as being accurate.
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    Re: Year-by-Year History of the Historic Les Paul Collection

    Dan, a fantastic thread!! This is really, really needed.

    A little info to add (from my '97 R0 Lefty):
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    Checklist states that it is dated 12/12/97
    "LPR0 LH Flametop", Ser # 0 7149
    Which would logically mean that just over 150 R0's were made in '97.
    No sticker on back of headstock
    No dots on 'underside' of neck
    Steel bridge saddles
    Brown standard case
    No COA, but a 'guarantee' folder with the Serial #, etc
    Minimal case candy
    Dark Back (very dark brown)
    Very 'yellowed' bindings
    Dark-edged 'Heritage Darkburst' (disc. in '02 according to Blue Book)
    Heavily figured & 3D top.

    A little note: There are so few Lefty LP reissues out there, you just wouldn't believe.
    I would say not more than about 8 per YEAR on eBay for instance (!)

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    Re: Year-by-Year History of the Historic Les Paul Collection

    Excellent reference thread, thanks.

    I noticed there were a couple of comments that there was not a COA for 2000, mine had one so I thought I would share it, hopefully I didnt miss it in subsequent comments.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fishnose View Post
    Dan, a fantastic thread!! This is really, really needed.

    A little info to add (from my '97 R0 Lefty):
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    Checklist states that it is dated 12/12/97
    "LPR0 LH Flametop", Ser # 0 7149
    Which would logically mean that just over 150 R0's were made in '97.

    :] Fish
    That covers 3 models during that year, so logically @ 50 per model. Your lefty might be the only one that year!

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    Quote Originally Posted by fromthebeginning View Post
    I noticed there were a couple of comments that there was not a COA for 2000, mine had one so I thought I would share it, hopefully I didnt miss it in subsequent comments.
    Thanks for the pic!
    Special run, perhaps?

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    Re: Year-by-Year History of the Historic Les Paul Collection

    Quote Originally Posted by Mikester View Post
    Thanks for the pic!
    Special run, perhaps?
    The only thing I know is that this particular 2000 was Murphy aged and sold through Yamano into the Japanese market (its an early Y2k). Perhaps the Japanese market had a different standard relating to COA's.
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    I have a COA from 97'
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    Re: Year-by-Year History of the Historic Les Paul Collection

    Quote Originally Posted by Todd Louis View Post
    I have a COA from 97'
    Me too, my R0 has one!

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    Re: Year-by-Year History of the Historic Les Paul Collection

    You guys got real honest-to-goodness COA's from '97?
    Not the 'Historic Collection' 3-page foldout thingy I have, also 97? (which is not a COA as such)
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    Re: Year-by-Year History of the Historic Les Paul Collection

    Quote Originally Posted by Rumbling_Groover View Post
    That covers 3 models during that year, so logically @ 50 per model. Your lefty might be the only one that year!
    Rumblin' - from what I understand, during the mid-90's they were using separate series for each of the R8, R9 and R0 models, so the 150 would only be for the R0.
    I saw somewhere in this thread (?) that about 400 or 500 R9s were made that year.

    As to the number of lefties - you may in fact be right. Since every single CAH lefty is a special order and can take up to a year to be delivered, not more than about 1% of all CAH are likely to be lefties.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fishnose View Post
    Rumblin' - from what I understand, during the mid-90's they were using separate series for each of the R8, R9 and R0 models, so the 150 would only be for the R0.
    I saw somewhere in this thread (?) that about 400 or 500 R9s were made that year.

    As to the number of lefties - you may in fact be right. Since every single CAH lefty is a special order and can take up to a year to be delivered, not more than about 1% of all CAH are likely to be lefties.

    :] Fish
    Well I've been wrong before and i'm sure I be wrong again sometime in the future ;0) I always thought the R0 serials covered specials and juniors as well hey ho, you learn some thing new every day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fishnose View Post
    You guys got real honest-to-goodness COA's from '97?
    Not the 'Historic Collection' 3-page foldout thingy I have, also 97? (which is not a COA as such)
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    Re: Year-by-Year History of the Historic Les Paul Collection

    1994 R6 made in June of 1994, SN 6 4016, so this supports each series had its own SN sequence back in 1994.
    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...ayphotohosting
    So how in the heck do we end up with a R4 with 4 5780? 780+ R4 GTs and Custom Black Beauties in 1995?

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    Re: Year-by-Year History of the Historic Les Paul Collection

    Quote Originally Posted by kink56 View Post
    The Bluebook quote is wrong if only for the fact this serialzation did not start until mid 1993 with the introduction of the Historic Reissues (not Historic collection which started in 1991) Now I am sure they used this serial number method in 1992 with the prototypes. But I have owned 1993 preHistoric Les Paul RIs (and Mike Slub has some in his various articles too) That started with a 3.
    What's the difference between Historic Reissue and Historic Collection?
    My '93 goldtop with Historic Collection decal has serial 7 32X2
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dirtypool View Post
    What's the difference between Historic Reissue and Historic Collection?
    My '93 goldtop with Historic Collection decal has serial 7 32X2
    Historic Collection predates the Custom, Art and Historic Reissues. The early Historic reissues of mid 93-early 94 (such as yours) had either Historic Collection or Custom Shop decals. Yours is a Historic Reissue R7, as much as a 2008 R7 would be. The clue is the long tenon (which yours has) and if yours were a preHistoric RI it would have a SN starting with a 3 xxxx, for 1993. But yours starts with a 7 for 1957, followed by a 3 for 1993.

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    Re: Year-by-Year History of the Historic Les Paul Collection

    Quote Originally Posted by fishnose View Post
    You guys got real honest-to-goodness COA's from '97?
    Not the 'Historic Collection' 3-page foldout thingy I have, also 97? (which is not a COA as such)
    :] Fish
    My '60 RI has a COA signed by Tom Murphy. Not sure how many COA's there are from that early on? Has anyone seen one earlier or around the same period?


    BTW interesting thread............................................ ...
    Last edited by BLUESKYZ; 02-23-08 at 09:44 AM.

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    Here is an example of a 1995 Custom. Now this is when they still made USA Customs with the YDDDYxxx SNs. Now this is a 1995 Custom shop Custom and the SN starts with a 5 and NOT a 7. http://www.gbase.com/Stores/Gear/Gea...x?Item=1708240

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    Quote Originally Posted by kink56 View Post
    Here is an example of a 1995 Custom. Now this is when they still made USA Customs with the YDDDYxxx SNs. Now this is a 1995 Custom shop Custom and the SN starts with a 5 and NOT a 7. http://www.gbase.com/Stores/Gear/Gea...x?Item=1708240
    My 1995's R9's have the smaller size stamped number I wonder why that custom has the larger size stamped numbers as stamped on the classics. Hmmm

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    Quote Originally Posted by DANELECTRO View Post
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    I don't see it and I don't know if it was mentioned but both my 1995 R9's have yellowed/aged binding on them my 1997 does not.

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    Re: Year-by-Year History of the Historic Les Paul Collection

    My '97 R0 has very nicely yellowed bindings all the way round. December '97.
    BTW, do you really have to quote the whole list? Makes for a lot of loooooong posts, quite unnecessarily.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fishnose View Post
    My '97 R0 has very nicely yellowed bindings all the way round. December '97.
    BTW, do you really have to quote the whole list? Makes for a lot of loooooong posts, quite unnecessarily.

    :] Fish
    No I fixed it

    I just realized my 1997 is an R8 - so maybe they just did it on R9's

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    Re: Year-by-Year History of the Historic Les Paul Collection

    Add to list: 1999- Changed serial number font.

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    Re: Year-by-Year History of the Historic Les Paul Collection

    Hi.
    Great tread with useful info!
    Long time since I posted here....

    Question: Are all '99 LP '59 Reissues the 40th ann models???

    My own '99 LP '59 (with original PAF's) is not a Murphy, and without a COA
    as well. There seems to be a bit confusion.....
    As far as I know, all the '59 Reissues from 1999 are 40th ann.models.
    Murphy or not.

    Any comments?
    Thanks!

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    certainly non Murphy 1999 R9s are 40ths, that is a FACT. But there are some that say not all 1999 R9s are 40ths, I tend to disagree with this.

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    Re: Year-by-Year History of the Historic Les Paul Collection

    One question:
    I own a 06 or 07 R0 ( not sure have to look again).
    Fantastic burst color very lightweight with a eastern maple top.
    Now: the guitar came with tone and volume controls without the pointers.
    Is this possible that it came from the factory this way???
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    Quote Originally Posted by andreja marovic View Post
    One question:
    I own a 06 or 07 R0 ( not sure have to look again).
    Fantastic burst color very lightweight with a eastern maple top.
    Now: the guitar came with tone and volume controls without the pointers.
    Is this possible that it came from the factory this way???
    One more thing, almost forgot...
    " the tuners are single ring and not double rings as they should have been".

    comments....
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    Quote Originally Posted by kink56 View Post
    Are you SURE your Y2K does NOT have tortoise? Both my 99s did! Sometimes you have to shine a VERY bright light to see any red or brown!! Many LOOK black with normal light!
    +1 I'd even say more of them look black than obviously tortise colored. A bright light reveals the true color.

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    Quote Originally Posted by andreja marovic View Post
    the tuners are single ring and not double rings as they should have been
    No. The '60 only had double rings in the later part of the year, so single ring is just as correct as double ring for a '60 - and therefore for a R0 as well. And Gibson decided to use singles.

    I had singles on my R0 too of course, but I replaced them since I much prefer doubles, personally.

    And it didn't have pointers - I put some on myself.
    However I'm almost certain the previous owner took them off, because the model should have them on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fishnose View Post
    No. The '60 only had double rings in the later part of the year, so single ring is just as correct as double ring for a '60 - and therefore for a R0 as well. And Gibson decided to use singles.

    I had singles on my R0 too of course, but I replaced them since I much prefer doubles, personally.

    And it didn't have pointers - I put some on myself.
    However I'm almost certain the previous owner took them off, because the model should have them on.

    :] Fish
    I don't think so.I believe the guitars came that way from the factory.
    No pointers, with single ring tuners.If your came also that way, then there is no doubt that it came out from Gibson as this.
    I am very happy with this particular guitar.Lightweight 8.6lbs.One of the best reissues I ever played / owned.The maple is amazing (Easter BTW) and the color is super sexy....king of orange (bright) burst.And the most important is that guitar sings....as should.
    You can see it in the Reissue Registry that Hoss manage.

    Now....What about your R0? any pics of that beast?
    do this now 10 - 12 years old guitars ...sound better to to you than the recent ones?something tells me that they are more mature now after spending all this time strung and played.

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    Andreja, my R0 is in my new avatar

    I'm afraid I have very little to compare with - I'm lefty, so there are SO few guitars around I can play. If I walk into a shop with 200 guitars on the walls, I'm lucky if they have ONE that is lefty - and it will most likely be a Mexican F*****
    I probably have the only R0 lefty in Sweden, lol.

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    Re: Year-by-Year History of the Historic Les Paul Collection

    I checked with Gibson and there is no difference in the mahogony used in '07 then previous years. I believe the reference to Honduran in '07 is wrong per my checking with Gibson.

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    Re: Year-by-Year History of the Historic Les Paul Collection

    I have a question on my Black Beauty.

    I bought this guitar in 1992, brand new, from the Australian Importer (Dynamic Music).

    It is a 1957 LPC '57 Black Beauty Reissue with two pickups.

    I confirmed with Gibson that it is solid mahogany with mahogany cap, 2 x 57 Classic PU's, Gold plated hardware, Grover Machine heads, aged binding and came with brown case and pink lining.

    The serial number is screen printed in gold on the back of the headstock.

    The number is 2 2##2

    I was reading in this thread that the Historic/Custom shop guitars start their numbering with the year.

    My guitar starts with the manufactured Year and not the reissue Year.

    Any ideas? I am assuming that my guitar is numbered the way it is due to the way that Gibson started with their reissue series before going to a stand alone Historic series.

    By the way it is an incredible sounding guitar and It seems to have been built when Gibson had impeccable QC and a real passion for market leadership.

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    Re: Year-by-Year History of the Historic Les Paul Collection

    The Historic Reissue SN sequence did not start until mid 1993, with the long tenon versions of the Reissues. Customs are a mystery to me, I have seen them well into the 90s with the SN style yours has, (year of manufacture, like the Classics do) running concurrently with the Historic style serial numbers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kink56 View Post
    The Historic Reissue SN sequence did not start until mid 1993, with the long tenon versions of the Reissues. Customs are a mystery to me, I have seen them well into the 90s with the SN style yours has, (year of manufacture, like the Classics do) running concurrently with the Historic style serial numbers.

    Thanks for the info.

    Appreciate it.

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    Re: Year-by-Year History of the Historic Les Paul Collection

    Great thread w/ some great info.

    How does one determine if their 02 R7 has Burstbuckers or 57Classics?

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