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    Re: My list of known original '58 through '63 korina Explorer serial numbers

    Okay, thanks. My bad.

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    Re: My list of known original '58 through '63 korina Explorer serial numbers

    Bump to remind us all about this history....great info from many in this whole thread. Has Mike Bowen been around recently?
    Otherwise known as Grant.

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    Re: My list of known original '58 through '63 korina Explorer serial numbers

    Yes agreed - best info about this on the web.
    Have there been any recent additions?

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    Re: My list of known original '58 through '63 korina Explorer serial numbers

    Guys lets revive this thread. One question : Wonder who owns the Derringer Split peg Explorer now that Mr. Chinnery passed a few yrs ago ? I know it was in his collection a few yrs ago. And is there anyone on here that has seen or held the late Allen Collins Explorer ? I would love to see it in person. Korina Explorers are so rare to begin with but his was one of only a handful that had the little round toggle plate on the back of the front horn to access the toggle switch without taking off the pickguard. I'm assuming the reason Gibson may have done this is because Gibson used 2 little blocks of wood to hold the wires in on the bottom route channel to the pickups. If a person were to take the pickguard off it was hard to keep the little wood blocks in place and screw the pickguard back down.

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    Re: My list of known original '58 through '63 korina Explorer serial numbers

    Quote Originally Posted by MisterMiniMite View Post
    So, we now have 35 serial numbers. Maybe. No matter what I still think this is a great effort by everyone:

    8-1008
    8-1431
    8-2118
    8-2142
    8-2153
    8-3549
    8-3848
    8-3849
    8-3850
    8-3868
    8-3872
    8-3873
    8-3876
    8-3882
    8-4096
    8-4451
    8-4536
    8-4539
    8-4541
    8-4542
    8-4543
    8-4544
    8-4545
    8-4548
    8-4549
    8-4550
    8-4551
    8-4552
    8-4559
    8-4561
    8-4567
    8-4592
    9-1715
    27121 (pressed-in)
    28012 (pressed-in)
    Any updates on this list?
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    Re: My list of known original '58 through '63 korina Explorer serial numbers

    Anyone know more about the history of 4545? If it was used professionally or recorded etc?

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    Re: My list of known original '58 through '63 korina Explorer serial numbers

    Killer list
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    '58 Explorer for sale at Denmark St. Guitars London - usual caveats apply!

    Wonder where this one came from? - no serial number.

    http://thumbsnap.com/f/tWIZJAhT

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    Re: My list of known original '58 through '63 korina Explorer serial numbers

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    '58 Explorer.......Denmark St. Guitars London
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    Re: My list of known original '58 through '63 korina Explorer serial numbers


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    Re: My list of known original '58 through '63 korina Explorer serial numbers

    Talked to Dave Rodgers today, he still has the 58 Explorer he bought back in the 80s, hanging alongside the 58 V... If you ever want to see one in person.

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    Re: My list of known original '58 through '63 korina Explorer serial numbers

    Quote Originally Posted by richard henry View Post
    Any updates on this list?
    No serial numbers from 1960 then?
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    Re: My list of known original '58 through '63 korina Explorer serial numbers

    Quote Originally Posted by DrRobert View Post
    Talked to Dave Rodgers today, he still has the 58 Explorer he bought back in the 80s, hanging alongside the 58 V... If you ever want to see one in person.
    I believe that's the one that had the neck broken in a car wreck and had the neck replaced by Michael Stevens. I've seen a few pics of Michael holding an Explorer without a neck..... I could be wrong but I believe that's it.
    Lost in the middle of a Brazillian rosewood
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    Re: My list of known original '58 through '63 korina Explorer serial numbers

    I was looking at some old emails recently and found one from September of 2006 relating to a Max Explorer. The email was from an ebay seller that had listed his Max. He had sent me some pics of his guitar and a pic of a letter from Max that stated:

    "This is an exact replica of a 1958 Gibson Explorer. The specs for this guitar were taken from the following original 1958 Explorers: 8-3873, 8-4460, 8-4544 and 8-4554. This guitar was built by me in 1996."

    Both 8-3873 and 8-4544 are already included in this thread's list of serial numbers, however, neither 8-4460 nor 8-4554 have been mentioned.

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    Re: My list of known original '58 through '63 korina Explorer serial numbers

    Quote Originally Posted by Brown Recluse View Post
    Wow!!! Thanks for posting!
    Lost in the middle of a Brazillian rosewood
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    Re: My list of known original '58 through '63 korina Explorer serial numbers

    Quote Originally Posted by Brown Recluse View Post
    Hmmmmmm...

    Quote Originally Posted by Brown Recluse View Post
    neither 8-4460 nor 8-4554 have been mentioned
    So - good ol' Max says he's seen these originals.. ya think that is good enough to include those on 'the' list....?

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    Re: My list of known original '58 through '63 korina Explorer serial numbers

    Quote Originally Posted by Brown Recluse View Post
    Hmmm. I'm not a korina expert, but the evidence presented in the video does not give me any confidence in that particular guitar. YMMV
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    Re: My list of known original '58 through '63 korina Explorer serial numbers

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch D. Bunker View Post
    Hmmmmmm...



    So - good ol' Max says he's seen these originals.. ya think that is good enough to include those on 'the' list....?
    8 3873 and 8 4544 are also mentioned in the letter from good ol' Max and they are on the list. I didn't put them there, but they are still on there. Neither did I suggest that 8 4460 and 8 4554 should be on the list. I only stated that Max had also referenced them as being real. Everyone can consider the sources of the information in this thread and come to their own conclusion. Clearly, you have. The same reasoning is why I posted a link in this thread to the 3 pickup Explorer in the Elderly Appraisal video. That owner believes his guitar is real, and it appears he will have an appraisal from Elderly supporting that belief. I'm not suggesting that instrument should be added to the list of real Explorers either, however, reference to it too can now be found in this one thread. An internet search of any of the mentioned serial numbers may now bring a person here. A comparison can then be made between all of the guitars, along with any comments about them, including yours.

    This thread is a great source of information on which instruments should be on the list. I also think it can be an equally great source of information on which specific instruments shouldn't be on the list, along with the reasons for their exclusion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brown Recluse View Post
    8 3873 and 8 4544 are also mentioned in the letter from good ol' Max and they are on the list. I didn't put them there, but they are still on there. Neither did I suggest that 8 4460 and 8 4554 should be on the list. I only stated that Max had also referenced them as being real. Everyone can consider the sources of the information in this thread and come to their own conclusion. Clearly, you have.
    No, I haven't. Did not say that either.

    Those guitars may be 100% poifect and legit. Mr B. knows more about these than you and I ever will - but for my 0.02c he has compromised his credibility due to certain actions. So his word alone is not good enough for me. Let's see some more evidence before adding guitars to that list.

    As to Elderly: they have misidentified vintage stuff on a number of occasions, including an alleged Gibson korina guitar (in good faith though I would assume).

    The knowledge of most vintage dealers is no longer a match for the joined forces of anally obsessed guitar geeks worldwide, as evidenced on many occasions on forums like the LPF.

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    Re: My list of known original '58 through '63 korina Explorer serial numbers

    It appears that Allen Collinsí Explorer has had an extensive refin done at NTL Guitar. Thereís no text explaining what the purpose is, or why this has happened...

    http://www.ntlguitar.com/skynyrd-guitars.html








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    Re: My list of known original '58 through '63 korina Explorer serial numbers

    Quote Originally Posted by Docsieb View Post
    It appears that Allen Collinsí Explorer has had an extensive refin done at NTL Guitar. Thereís no text explaining what the purpose is, or why this has happened...

    http://www.ntlguitar.com/skynyrd-guitars.html









    Why???
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    Re: My list of known original '58 through '63 korina Explorer serial numbers

    A real bad decision !
    Ive never confused owning a bunch of high end gear with being some kind of a guitar player I'm a hack and I love guitars !

    He thinks the mirror is a photo of a clown ?

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    Re: My list of known original '58 through '63 korina Explorer serial numbers

    Quote Originally Posted by Fried okra View Post
    Why???
    Its baffling! Is anyone familiar with this NTL company?

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    Re: My list of known original '58 through '63 korina Explorer serial numbers

    From the photos on the NTL link above, it almost looks like the Explorer, Firebird and LP had some water damage?? Especially the LP.
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    Re: My list of known original '58 through '63 korina Explorer serial numbers

    Quote Originally Posted by GuitarMikey View Post
    From the photos on the NTL link above, it almost looks like the Explorer, Firebird and LP had some water damage?? Especially the LP.
    That LP looked awful. Sad to see that happen to historic instruments like these... with regard to the Explorer, the pics make it look like it might have been renecked. Some text and explanation on the website would have been helpful.

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    Re: My list of known original '58 through '63 korina Explorer serial numbers

    Judging from the "before" photos and the level of rust on the pickups I have to assume the flood damaged the guitar significantly, the finish looks like it's coming off in places..

    If so, it makes sense I guess, otherwise, what a shame!
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    Re: My list of known original '58 through '63 korina Explorer serial numbers

    Thereís a lot about this guitar that feels very off... especially the price. $218k? That would be incredibly low, if this is legit.

    https://www.elderly.com/gibson-explorer-1963.htm

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    Re: My list of known original '58 through '63 korina Explorer serial numbers

    Quote Originally Posted by StSpider View Post
    Judging from the "before" photos and the level of rust on the pickups I have to assume the flood damaged the guitar significantly, the finish looks like it's coming off in places..

    If so, it makes sense I guess, otherwise, what a shame!
    The A.C. Explorer has the round plate behind the toggle switch, this guitar does not.
    Lost in the middle of a Brazillian rosewood
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    Re: My list of known original '58 through '63 korina Explorer serial numbers

    I'm pretty sure these are Rickey Medlocke's guitars. Mentioned here.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNKWiIJbK6Y

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    Re: My list of known original '58 through '63 korina Explorer serial numbers

    Quote Originally Posted by Docsieb View Post
    Thereís a lot about this guitar that feels very off... especially the price. $218k? That would be incredibly low, if this is legit.

    https://www.elderly.com/gibson-explorer-1963.htm
    Besides the price and the length of the "story", what else seems off?

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    Re: My list of known original '58 through '63 korina Explorer serial numbers

    Quote Originally Posted by DrRobert View Post
    Besides the price and the length of the "story", what else seems off?
    Ever seen a Gibson finish crack like that? Interesting serial as well.



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    Re: My list of known original '58 through '63 korina Explorer serial numbers

    Guitar builder here. Long - time lurker. Love the site as a fellow gearhead with a obsessive penchant for nailing all the little details. Currently embarking on a 58 Explorer build. Just two things that I wanted to put it out there for a little bit of clarification. A poster on here claimed that he had only seen 3 ply black jack plates on the original explorers. I came across a bunch of pictures online and in my archive of supposed original 58s with 3-ply white jack plates. Does this mean that these had been replaced to match the pickguards at one point? Does anybody know of a legitimate 58 Explorer with a 3-ply white Jack Plate? I also believe the same poster stated he'd only seen original explorers that were one piece bodies. After studying a bunch of pictures I've seen that there are quite a bodies purported to be originals which appear to be two piece bodies with the seam running on the bass side right above the pickups. Can somebody clarify these two points for me? Thank you all.

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