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Am i the only person with a plain top Class 5 LP??

DG2003

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I bought one of these about eight years ago, and I love it. Over the weekend I emailed Gibson Customer Shop for information, even though I pretty much knew from my internet research what I had, but being the internet...

So I got a response this morning and I was surprised by this:


Thanks for the email. The pictures and serial number are consistent with a 2003 Custom Shop Les Paul Standard Class 5 Plain Top model in Cherry Burst finish. This was made in a small run for Sam Ash stores in 2003. Here are the specs-


BODY
Top Species: Carved Plain Maple
Back Species: weight relieved mahogany
Binding: Single-ply Cream Binding


NECK
Species: 1-piece Mahogany with long neck tenon
Profile: 50's Rounded Neck Profile


FINGERBOARD
Species: Indian Rosewood
Scale Length: 24.75"
Number of Frets: 22
Nut Width: 1 11/16"
Inlays: Acrylic Trapezoid Inlays


HARDWARE
Plating Finish: Nickel
Tailpiece: Stopbar
Bridge: ABR-1
Tuners: Grover


ELECTRONICS
Pickups: Zebra ’57 Classics
Controls: 2 Volume and 2 Tone Control, 3-Way Selector Switch


Maybe I don't know what I'm talking about, but this is a 10 lb guitar, so I'm not sure how they consider that to be weight-relieved??

Anyone else experience this? From my research, every comment (not many) I read was basically "This thing is heavy".
 

Triplet

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Yes, it is weight relieved. I have several "weight relieved" Gibsons over 10 pounds...
 

DG2003

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Thank you, Triplet... I' amazed at what I learn every day. When I read something about a guitar weighing over 10 lbs, it's in the line of a complaint, so I had no idea that a weight-relieved guitar would weigh that much. PLUS, it's my only LP, so I can't compare- thanks again!
 

Big Daddy Class

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It is an internet "myth" that the class 5 has anything to do with the tops. It is supposed to be the 5 th "class" or generation of Les Pauls. 1st was the originals in the 50's-60. Second was the late 60's-80's, Third was the move to Nashville, 4th was the start of the Custom shop, and this was the "5th". The concept was to be the hardware of the past with the finishes and flare of the new ones. ABR-1 screwed into the wood, Klusen tuners, Long Neck Tenon, etc from the past with colors and paints (and plain) of the current Les Pauls. That was the concept. SInce many had 5A flame, many mistakenly thought this was the reason for Class 5, which is wrong. Personally, I have 2--an orange 2002 Flame top, and a tranparent black 2005 quit top. They sound, look, feel, and play great. My reason for getting one is the look AND the ABR-1 bridge screwed into the wood without the metal anchors under the screws--which is surprisingly hard to find in guitars costing less than 5k (ish). As for the weight, the weight relief has little to do with the total weight. The mahogany is what is weight relieved but the mahogany has only a minor effect on the total weight. Mahogany is a fairly light wood and the "better" mahogany is actually lighter. At some point, Gibson began having a difficult time getting the lighter mahogany so they started buying the cheaper stuff (which grows at the base of hills where the ground is wetter which is why it is hearver--the lighter stuff grows on the sides of hills. No really accurate description of "why" since Gibson is unlikely to ever publish--"we HAD to start carving the mahogany because we were buying crappy wood.") I have LPs that are non weight relieved (2018 Tribute), modern weight relief (2016 Standard), Full Chambering (2005 Studio), and Ultra Modern (Class 5's). If anyone reading this can tell by handling them (minus the studio which is really light OR by playing or hearing them then they have better ears than me. I do think my no weight relief Tribute sounds the best but I attribute that to the fact that it has Seymour Duncan Custom Antiquity pickups and custom (throwback) CTS pots and wiring. I don't think the non weight relieved body hurts, though. No real pracical way to test that guirar side by side with itself prior to the pickup change.
 

Big Al

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It is an internet "myth" that the class 5 has anything to do with the tops. It is supposed to be the 5 th "class" or generation of Les Pauls. 1st was the originals in the 50's-60. Second was the late 60's-80's, Third was the move to Nashville, 4th was the start of the Custom shop, and this was the "5th". The concept was to be the hardware of the past with the finishes and flare of the new ones. ABR-1 screwed into the wood, Klusen tuners, Long Neck Tenon, etc from the past with colors and paints (and plain) of the current Les Pauls. That was the concept. SInce many had 5A flame, many mistakenly thought this was the reason for Class 5, which is wrong. Personally, I have 2--an orange 2002 Flame top, and a tranparent black 2005 quit top. They sound, look, feel, and play great. My reason for getting one is the look AND the ABR-1 bridge screwed into the wood without the metal anchors under the screws--which is surprisingly hard to find in guitars costing less than 5k (ish). As for the weight, the weight relief has little to do with the total weight. The mahogany is what is weight relieved but the mahogany has only a minor effect on the total weight. Mahogany is a fairly light wood and the "better" mahogany is actually lighter. At some point, Gibson began having a difficult time getting the lighter mahogany so they started buying the cheaper stuff (which grows at the base of hills where the ground is wetter which is why it is hearver--the lighter stuff grows on the sides of hills. No really accurate description of "why" since Gibson is unlikely to ever publish--"we HAD to start carving the mahogany because we were buying crappy wood.") I have LPs that are non weight relieved (2018 Tribute), modern weight relief (2016 Standard), Full Chambering (2005 Studio), and Ultra Modern (Class 5's). If anyone reading this can tell by handling them (minus the studio which is really light OR by playing or hearing them then they have better ears than me. I do think my no weight relief Tribute sounds the best but I attribute that to the fact that it has Seymour Duncan Custom Antiquity pickups and custom (throwback) CTS pots and wiring. I don't think the non weight relieved body hurts, though. No real pracical way to test that guirar side by side with itself prior to the pickup change.

First, use paragraphs. Facts wouldn't hurt either. Nothing you claim about wood is correct. A doozy of a tale so inaccurate it exceeds mythology. Zentar, is that you? Not a good way to enter. Wow!:##:bigal
 
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