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    Les Paul Forum Member The Shifter's Avatar
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    Are these Shaw pickups?

    These are in my 1984 LP Studio. Are these Shaw PAFs?


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    Re: Are these Shaw pickups?

    They look like shaw to me.

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    Re: Are these Shaw pickups?

    So is it, 372 for neck, and 373 for bridge?
    And then month and year?

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    Re: Are these Shaw pickups?

    Looks like no. 372 and 373 are the sequential serial #s.

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    Re: Are these Shaw pickups?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Shifter
    Looks like no. 372 and 373 are the sequential serial #s.
    no, it was their old way of representing the bridge and neck pups. one has a slightly hotter wind. check'em and see. I think 372 is neck, 373 is bridge. ;)

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    Re: Are these Shaw pickups?

    That's what I thought at first, but then I saw these and wondered.

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    Re: Are these Shaw pickups?

    those are shaws too. also the ones with the little black and chrome script PAF stickers are the replacement shaws if you ever see those.

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    Re: Are these Shaw pickups?

    What I can tell o the code is that the third digit represents whether it's a neck or a bridge pickup.

    The first two are some sort of batch number?
    The first year were 17 then we see 37, these are 40. hmmm

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    Re: Are these Shaw pickups?

    Quote Originally Posted by Willie Mctell
    those are shaws too. also the ones with the little black and chrome script PAF stickers are the replacement shaws if you ever see those.
    Are you talking about the stickers that went on the pickup rings?

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    Re: Are these Shaw pickups?

    The guitars loaded with them had stickers. Mine were gold foil with black knock-out printing for the letters to be gold. they were on the rings of a custom sjop guitar that had gold hardware.

    When sold seperate from guitars, I'd heard that the stickers were put on the back of the pickups. I've never seen one with such a sticker placement.

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    Re: Are these Shaw pickups?

    Quote Originally Posted by Willie Mctell
    also the ones with the little black and chrome script PAF stickers are the replacement shaws if you ever see those.
    These particular Shaw's came stock in my '82 Korina V reissue, AND in my 85 LPCust.
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    Re: Are these Shaw pickups?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Shifter
    That's what I thought at first, but then I saw these and wondered.
    I have a pair stamped like these except they say "402 881" and "403 881" They came out of my 81 custom silverburst. I have never found a clear answer as to whether or not they are shaw's.

    Does anyone know for sure? It seems like most of the "identified" shaw's I have seen on this forum start with the 137 and 138, but I have also read on the forum that not all of the Shaw's started with those numbers.
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    Re: Are these Shaw pickups?

    The ink stamps supposedly started with the Shaws.

    You could pull the covers and see what you have. If the T-Top is gone, and they have the small square holes like Pafs, they are Shaws.

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    Re: Are these Shaw pickups?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wilko
    The ink stamps supposedly started with the Shaws.

    You could pull the covers and see what you have. If the T-Top is gone, and they have the small square holes like Pafs, they are Shaws.

    and shiny orange wire with rough cast magnets that are thicker than a T-tops magnet.

    my sets came from a 335, a V, and a heritage 80, plus one spare that was a replacement.FWIW

    ..and they are always under 8k.

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    Re: Are these Shaw pickups?

    I had posted about the pups in my '82 ES 335 and asked if these were Shaws but haven't got a definite answer, so here it is again:



    Is that a Shaw PAF?
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    Re: Are these Shaw pickups?

    looks like a shaw. Shaws came in the 335 reissues so I's say yes. To know whithout a doubt you can take the cover off to look at the coils. Also the magnet will be a larger rough sandcast magnet. It's also commom for them to have shorter legs. DCr should stay pretty low I've never seen any outside of 7.0k -7.7k either.

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    Re: Are these Shaw pickups?

    Thanks Willie, I don't want to take off the covers, it's just not THAT important to me - just curious. Can't find my notes right now, but both pups read way under 8 KO. And: I like their tone!
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    Re: Are these Shaw pickups?

    Quote Originally Posted by junction51
    I have a pair stamped like these except they say "402 881" and "403 881" They came out of my 81 custom silverburst. I have never found a clear answer as to whether or not they are shaw's.

    Does anyone know for sure? It seems like most of the "identified" shaw's I have seen on this forum start with the 137 and 138, but I have also read on the forum that not all of the Shaw's started with those numbers.
    Yes yours are Shaws..There is a huge thread on Shaws.
    Mine have all been about 7.4 -7.5 K irregardless of the 372 / 373 stamps.
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    Re: Are these Shaw pickups?

    I have pickups that look just like those, with ink stamps (year = 1983), white plastic spacers, etc, but they read 8.0K and 8.5K. What gives?

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    Re: Are these Shaw pickups?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wilko View Post
    What I can tell o the code is that the third digit represents whether it's a neck or a bridge pickup.

    The first two are some sort of batch number?
    The first year were 17 then we see 37, these are 40. hmmm
    That's interesting..so, 1980 would be first year..starting with the #1.
    Did you guys read in Vintage Guitar a few months back where " Know it All " and Guru George Gruhn said there were no markings what-so-ever to distinguish the Shaw's from the regular Gibby HB's? He said the magnets were AII's and you would would have to test the magnets composition to determine they were Shaw pups. I thought I read Shaw saying they were longer than the regular magnets? or did he say they were thicker? I only see thicker.
    I also thought He said they were all A5's.

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    Next Question?

    Reading this quote from the above interview, Is Tim saying that He / Norlin started out with AII's and then switched to 5's, or was he talking about Gibson back in 1957 - 59?

    To replicate the magnets, Shaw gathered up magnets from original PAFs and sent them to a lab to be analyzed. "Most were Alnico 2's," he said, "but some were 5's. In the process of making an Alnico 5, they stick a magnet in a huge coil for orientation, but an unoriented 5 sounds a lot like a 2. They started with Alnico 2 and then switched to Alnico 5."
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    Re: Are these Shaw pickups?

    Hey you Shaw guys i have 138 with a silver paf sticker on the back, nickel cover never opened! It reads 7.6k on my meter. I would like to swap to a neck Shaw with about 7.2k. Anyone interested? Send me a PM!

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    Re: Are these Shaw pickups?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamerfan View Post
    Hey you Shaw guys i have 138 with a silver paf sticker on the back, nickel cover never opened! It reads 7.6k on my meter. I would like to swap to a neck Shaw with about 7.2k. Anyone interested? Send me a PM!
    can't email you, but you can email me. kink56@hotmail.com

    I have nothing to swap, but I may be able to take it off your hands!

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