"You're Playing it Wrong"

[Offshore Angler]

I find your "Solid background in music" a bit hard to comprehend. This is first year, first semester stuff.

 

[Offshore Angler]

And BTW, no flatted 7thds in rock? Riiiiggghhht, nobody ever used the mixolydian in rock music. WTF?

 

[Wilko]

And BTW, no flatted 7thds in rock? Riiiiggghhht, nobody ever used the mixolydian in rock music. WTF?

Nevermind.

 

[LeonC]

@Offshore Angler - if what you're saying (in the OP) is that you were playing the notes (arpeggio) from a C Maj chord over an Am7 and the songwriter was complaining that you were "doing it wrong,", then I totally get your frustration. Am is the relative minor of C major and I'm not sure why anyone would think notes from a C wouldn't fit.

And yes, minor pentatonics include flatted 3rds and 7ths when compared to the diatonic major scales of the same root note. I'm sure pretty much everyone here knows this stuff, but somethings are just getting lost "in the translation."

 

[Wilko]

@Offshore Angler - if what you're saying (in the OP) is that you were playing the notes (arpeggio) from a C Maj chord over an Am7 and the songwriter was complaining that you were "doing it wrong,", then I totally get your frustration. Am is the relative minor of C major and I'm not sure why anyone would think notes from a C wouldn't fit.

And yes, minor pentatonics include flatted 3rds and 7ths when compared to the diatonic major scales of the same root note. I'm sure pretty much everyone here knows this stuff, but somethings are just getting lost "in the translation."

Totally lost in translation.

3rds and 7ths of the scale are NOT the same thing as 3rds and 7ths of the CHORDS. I still maintain that the confusion is in the language used.

 

[Marc B]

 

[Offshore Angler]

Totally lost in translation.

3rds and 7ths of the scale are NOT the same thing as 3rds and 7ths of the CHORDS. I still maintain that the confusion is in the language used.

Huh? Then I guess key signatures and modes are figments of our imagination, as is playing through the changes. If I started writing about theory like using the 3rd of the 5th as it refers to melodic soloing it appears like you'd argue that too.

And thanks for demonstrating the thesis of this thread's original post. In the process of explaining the method I was using I was hoping it would hip some players who this might be new to and help them become stronger players. Apparently, we can't do that here anymore.

Welcome to my "Ignored" list. To keep things nice here I'd appreciate it if you return the favor.

 

[Wilko]

nevermind

 

[Wilko]

In the key of E the 4 chord is spelled 1, 3, 5,. Hint. the 1 isn't E

 

[Offshore Angler]

BTW folks. Even though somebody was trying to obfuscate and confuse, chord tones are always referenced to the major scale of the chord’s root.

Look at it this way, in the orchestra the piano player may call it an Am, but for the horn players it's a different chord because they are scored in different keys, so we refer to intervals to the root rather than "notes".