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Old 11-18-04, 10:07 PM   #1
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how much for an R0

What would be a fair price range for a mint '02 RO, above average top but there are better? thanks
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Old 11-19-04, 04:57 AM   #2
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Some 04 R0's have really cool tops not too extravagant but curly and nice, I say they can be had for $3200/3500 on all 2002 R0's.
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Old 11-19-04, 06:20 AM   #3
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Re: how much for an R0

I do not want to hijack this thread but how about a estmated price on a 2003 R0 Historic plaintop with a Brazilian board...?

I paid $2700 used... Good deal??
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Old 11-19-04, 06:27 AM   #4
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Re: how much for an R0

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Did you happen to purchase that particular guitar from Scott at the 'Shed?

I would say that is a fair deal on the R0!
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Old 11-19-04, 06:30 AM   #5
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guitarzandstuff,
Did you happen to purchase that particular guitar from Scott at the 'Shed?

I would say that is a fair deal on the R0!
No... it was a private sale from California. Still owe $750 on it but should pay that this week. I will post pics when she arrives.

BTW- I am a fat neck lover... I hope I like the R0...
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Old 11-19-04, 06:51 AM   #6
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Re: how much for an R0

I saw one in my local Guitar Center for $2550. The weird thing is it was labeled a Custom Authentic 1960 Reissue. It had a dulled finish like the other CAs. That price sounded WAY low to me, but then I played it and it really wasn't very special. I liked my Standard better. Must have been a dud. Still, was suprised it was so cheap. It was also a plain top.
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Old 11-19-04, 06:53 AM   #7
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Re: how much for an R0

Similar situation here. I have a balance of $800 on an R9 DarkBurst (new) that I put a deposit on this past Wednesday! :yay Will probably pick it up this coming Wednesday

I have yet to play an R0 (My initial interest in Historics), but there is a good thread on the Forum about PhilUK47's (I think that's his user name) new R0. He was also worried about the slightly smaller neck shape but seems to think that it is pretty comfortable! Congrats on the new purchase and don't forget to sniff the fingerboard as soon as you open her up
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Old 11-19-04, 10:18 AM   #8
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B. Roth- I was also checking out one of those at GC. The only differences between those, which were made especially for GC, and the more expensive ones, are the plaintop, and the GC ones have one less layer of paint (clear I think). The other ones are shinier than the GC ones.
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Old 11-19-04, 10:32 AM   #9
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Re: how much for an R0

If you are in the UK. Forget it unless you want to part with the best part of $6,000 from most dealers. That's if you could find one for sale, which you can't. It's cheaper to fly over and get one.
I have noticed surfing the web, that 'Dave,s Guitar' in the U.S has some nice mint used RO's in for about $3,500 a piece.
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Old 11-19-04, 10:34 AM   #10
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If you are in the UK. Forget it unless you want to part with the best part of $6,000 from most dealers. That's if you could find one for sale, which you can't. It's cheaper to fly over and get one.
I have noticed surfing the web, that 'Dave,s Guitar' in the U.S has some nice mint used RO's in for about $3,500 a piece.
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6K a used R0..? did read this right? $ 6000 OMG.... :toobad
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Old 11-19-04, 11:46 AM   #11
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...how much for an RO?...check dave's guitars website,like phil says..he's got a couple of 02's on it...music machine does also..but,if you are a lover of fat necks,you would probably want a R8 or a R9...as far as necks on RO's vs. current classics...the current R0's are slightly larger ...guitars and stuff..i think you done good on yours @2700 for a brazeelions...
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Old 11-20-04, 07:55 AM   #12
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6K a used R0..? did read this right? $ 6000 OMG.... :toobad
Actualy to be more exact around $7,439 at the last check I made. That's for a new one off course. You can't find one used over here.
Then off course you'll have to wait for the importers to get one in the country from Gibson in the States
The neck is great as far as I am concerned. Not as shallow as a Classic. More like a new 50's Standard neck with the bottom shaved...Hard to describe really, but very comfortable and fast.

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Old 11-20-04, 08:16 AM   #13
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Re: how much for an R0

In the UK, a well known and (for the UK) competitive store is quoting GBP 4400 for an 1960 Flametop RI.

Current exchange rate is about 1.85 USD/GBP = 8140


And an aged R9 is USD 10,913


Rip-off Britain, that's where I live...
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Old 11-20-04, 12:22 PM   #14
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I'd say anywhere from $2500-$2800 depending on how nice the top is. These are the prices I've been seeing lately.
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Old 11-20-04, 12:58 PM   #15
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In the UK, a well known and (for the UK) competitive store is quoting GBP 4400 for an 1960 Flametop RI.

Current exchange rate is about 1.85 USD/GBP = 8140


And an aged R9 is USD 10,913


Rip-off Britain, that's where I live...


'Rip off Britain'.Amen to that brother GeeJay.

Ironicaly GeeJay those stores you mentioned that quote £4.400 ($8,140 ) for an RO.
Try phoning and saying. Ok, I'll be down tomorrow to try one out.
Not one of them have one in stock. I fact 99% of them have never even seen one.
After I got mine, out of curiousity I did a search in the UK and phoned some of the biggest dealers for prices and to see how easy it was to get hold of one....They all admitted they had never seen one in the flesh, but could order me one from Gibson for an arm and a leg and a wait of around 2 months....
As I have asked in previous posts, I would love to hear from any other Brits in this forum have an RO.. Surely I can't be the only person..
According to DesertDawg, I may well be, as evidently there has never been one imported by Rossetti ( Gibson's UK dealer), so if there is, it must have been brought in privately from the States.

Anyway thanks to DesertDawg who put me onto it and who played it himself while it was in the States, I now posess a monster of an RO. Gorgeous sound, feel and looks and I'm really glad I took all the time and hassle in getting it.

Funnily enough everyone who has tried it has been suprised by the neck and have said it's not what they thought it would be like. Most expected it to be the same as a Classic.




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Old 11-20-04, 05:11 PM   #16
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B. Roth- I was also checking out one of those at GC. The only differences between those, which were made especially for GC, and the more expensive ones, are the plaintop, and the GC ones have one less layer of paint (clear I think). The other ones are shinier than the GC ones.
The GC ones have exactly the same paint job as all the other r0, r9, and r8 ca's. The reason that other r0's that you've seen are shinier is because the GC ones are Custom authentic, which means that the finish is never treated to a final buff, in order to give it an aged look. The custom authentic treatment is extra $$, so the GC 60 ca for 2600 is an UNBELIEVEABLY good deal. The GC ones are all (to the best of my knowledge) plain top, as are all 58 ri's these days. The good news is that this means the tops are all eastern maple, just like the originals.
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Old 11-20-04, 05:36 PM   #17
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wrong. I know Authentics when I see them. There was one in a mom and pop shop that definitely had more finish on it than the GC one. Another dealer confirmed this fact.
The GC ones are still a good deal, though.
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'Rip off Britain'.Amen to that brother GeeJay.

Ironicaly GeeJay those stores you mentioned that quote £4.400 ($8,140 ) for an RO.
Try phoning and saying. Ok, I'll be down tomorrow to try one out.
Not one of them have one in stock. I fact 99% of them have never even seen one.
After I got mine, out of curiousity I did a search in the UK and phoned some of the biggest dealers for prices and to see how easy it was to get hold of one....They all admitted they had never seen one in the flesh, but could order me one from Gibson for an arm and a leg and a wait of around 2 months....
As I have asked in previous posts, I would love to hear from any other Brits in this forum have an RO.. Surely I can't be the only person..
According to DesertDawg, I may well be, as evidently there has never been one imported by Rossetti ( Gibson's UK dealer), so if there is, it must have been brought in privately from the States.

Anyway thanks to DesertDawg who put me onto it and who played it himself while it was in the States, I now posess a monster of an RO. Gorgeous sound, feel and looks and I'm really glad I took all the time and hassle in getting it.

Funnily enough everyone who has tried it has been suprised by the neck and have said it's not what they thought it would be like. Most expected it to be the same as a Classic.




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Hey phil, that's a nice looking guit, I thought that because of the exchange rate everything would be at your favor but it's sad to know that althought the dollar keeps going down you people on the other side of the pond don't see any of the benefits.... :toobad
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Old 11-21-04, 03:45 AM   #19
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Anyone have any info on the Music Machine special edition R0s? They retail for around 8K and sell for 5.5K. They look quite nice but are also on the expensive side. Appreciate your thoughts and info. Thanks.
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Old 11-21-04, 05:52 AM   #20
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wrong. I know Authentics when I see them. There was one in a mom and pop shop that definitely had more finish on it than the GC one. Another dealer confirmed this fact.
The GC ones are still a good deal, though.
Look man. I'm not trying to be an ass or anything but unlike your 'buds' in the mom and pop store, I actually KNOW how these are made. I worked for gibson (as a luthier), I still talk to the guys in the factory and cs on a weekly basis. I have a 60 ca in my shop right now, along with 2 r9's and an r7, and I've had several ca's through the shop in the last month.

The ca's get red wheeled (rougher polish) but don't get yellow wheeled (high polish) or white wheeled (buff) like the other guitars. Additionally, the hardware is treated to give it an aged look. Other than that, there is NO difference between a ca and a regular ri. (well that and the price tag!)

As for the GC r0's the only difference between them and the other r0's out of the factory right now is that the regular inked serial on the gc model is preceeded by an inked G.
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Did a search last night and there must be at least one other person with an RO in the UK as a well known dealer sold one in 1999 for $9.300 U.S. Approx £5,000... :wtf That's a bloody ridiculous price....Somebody paid it though....
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A lot of european tourists in my area take home gibsons as souvenirs. Guess that explains why... You could practically pay for the price of your trip just by taking back a nice paul and reselling it !
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A lot of european tourists in my area take home gibsons as souvenirs. Guess that explains why... You could practically pay for the price of your trip just by taking back a nice paul and reselling it !
Very true indeed dlcjr. It all depends where one lives in Europe as to how tight the customs are. Sometimes you can get away with it in the UK and sometimes you can't..It's all in the luck of the draw.
I know a guy who just recently came through with an R9 he got for a good used price in the States. He walked through nothing to declare at Heathrow. Then Bang! They got him." Where did you buy that guitar Sir?"
I think it cost him around an extra £400 ($744 U.S ). Mind you, that was still better than you'd pay for one over here and he was on holiday anyway.
Yes it certainly does pay to shop around in the States. You just got to be lucky though, buying it unseen and unplayed if you are not going there on a visit or holiday, or failing that, know someone out there who knows what you are looking for and hopefuly can check it out first.
Mind you, saying that, the guy at Dave's guitar ( perhaps it is Dave himself) is a very helpful person and actualy will go into detail about each instrument and not just try and unload you with any old thing...A good place to buy a guitar from if you are in Europe and buying unseen. I'd also recomend Angel guitars in the UK. These guys are from the old school of selling. Not something you'll find much in this country these days. It's very refreshing to have someone who will take their time with what you want, and who also know their stuff.
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One question that nobody so far on the forum has been able to answer me, is. What's the rough percentage manufacturing ratio difference the production of R8's ,R9's and RO's ? I have posed this question quite a few times, but so far have drawn a blank.

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Old 11-22-04, 12:26 PM   #24
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Look man. I'm not trying to be an ass or anything but unlike your 'buds' in the mom and pop store, I actually KNOW how these are made. I worked for gibson (as a luthier), I still talk to the guys in the factory and cs on a weekly basis. I have a 60 ca in my shop right now, along with 2 r9's and an r7, and I've had several ca's through the shop in the last month.

The ca's get red wheeled (rougher polish) but don't get yellow wheeled (high polish) or white wheeled (buff) like the other guitars. Additionally, the hardware is treated to give it an aged look. Other than that, there is NO difference between a ca and a regular ri. (well that and the price tag!)

As for the GC r0's the only difference between them and the other r0's out of the factory right now is that the regular inked serial on the gc model is preceeded by an inked G.
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I do not want to hijack this thread but how about a estmated price on a 2003 R0 Historic plaintop with a Brazilian board...?

I paid $2700 used... Good deal??
I would check with the administrator of the Gibson board, who will happily tell you whether this guitar actually has a Brazilian board. See the link below:

http://www.gibsoncustom.com/cgi-bin/...=topics&fid=14

With the exception of one 2003 R0 Stinger I regret not buying from a member here, every claimed Brazilian 2003 R0 plaintop I've seen has been from the Guitar Center run of guitars and does not actually have a Brazilian board. The Administrator at the Gibson board says that the guitars were spec'ed out in 2002 before they had the Brazilian available, so they built the guitars without the Brazilian boards. (Search for R0 and "Guitar Center" and "brazilian over there if you want to see some threads on it; there should be at least one thread here like that as well.)

If yours has a Brazilian board, you clearly got a steal.
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Old 11-22-04, 02:28 PM   #26
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Hey Blauserk how about this one..http://www.gbase.com/gearlist/guitar...?guitar=595364, did you check this one out?, I know that the price is up there but maybe if you talk to the guy who knows...
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http://www.davesguitar.com/products.html?13256
Check Daves - $3250
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Hey Blauserk how about this one..http://www.gbase.com/gearlist/guitar...?guitar=595364, did you check this one out?, I know that the price is up there but maybe if you talk to the guy who knows...
That appears to be one of the 2003 NON-brazilian Takburst R0's that GC put out. I almost bought one that was just 2 digits off, $2500.
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Are they under the 100 serial number?...If that's the case then RO Brazilians are the lowest production out of all the 2003 RI's?
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Are they under the 100 serial number?...If that's the case then RO Brazilians are the lowest production out of all the 2003 RI's?
I think the GC Takburst plaintops were produced at the same time that Gibson was making Brazilian-board R0s for others. I think there are higher-numbered guitars with Brazilian boards. Gibson gave them non-Brazilian boards not because Gibson was done making Brazilian boards for the year, but because they weren't spec'd with Brazilian.

I agre that the guitar on gbase you linked looks like one of the GC guitars and probably doesn't have a Brazilian board. If someone bites on that, they will really have overpaid badly.
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...i would agree with 55custom's observation...that it's gcrap non brazeel...these seem to be floating around out there,many people claiming they do in fact have brazilian...which they don't...
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...i would agree with 55custom's observation...that it's gcrap non brazeel...these seem to be floating around out there,many people claiming they do in fact have brazilian...which they don't...

Yup. The Gibson administrator just confirmed no Braz on # 98.

http://www.gibsoncustom.com/cgi-bin/...d=14&tid=18384
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Very true indeed dlcjr. It all depends where one lives in Europe as to how tight the customs are. Sometimes you can get away with it in the UK and sometimes you can't..It's all in the luck of the draw.
I know a guy who just recently came through with an R9 he got for a good used price in the States. He walked through nothing to declare at Heathrow. Then Bang! They got him." Where did you buy that guitar Sir?"
I think it cost him around an extra £400 ($744 U.S ). Mind you, that was still better than you'd pay for one over here and he was on holiday anyway.
Yes it certainly does pay to shop around in the States.
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It pays even more to have a Yank friend who will bring it with him when he comes to visit. I've brought several instruments over, as well as care packages of Yank boutique beer, exotic Italian motorcycle parts and tools ... and have never been asked by customs where I got them ... nor checked to see if I had them in hand when leaving.
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Nice. Last time I went to UK I came home with a tin full of bulgin's. Seemed like a lifetime supply at the time... Traded fender tranny for them. Last tour I did of Brazil, it was drum felts and cymbals. It's strange what's easy to get in one place but impossible to get in another.
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...blauserk...thanks for the post and link...in my search for a second R0...i've come across more than a few of the gc's...i don't really care if they are braz. or not..i just get a little ticked off when the sellers swear on a stack of playboys and bibles that they are...
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...i don't really care if they are braz. or not..i just get a little ticked off when the sellers swear on a stack of playboys and bibles that they are...
I agree with you on that. If I had the money to drop, I'd get one myself--I like the plaintop and the color has grown on me. But a couple of dealers have refused to entertain the idea that they're not brazilian, even when Gibson has directly said that that particular instrument didn't have it.
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Aular......Yes the pound is strong against the dollar, but it never seems to make any bloody difference to what we pay this side of the pond. They just make more profit. That's why as far as I am concerned, I support every damn person who manages to bring one into the country. Even if they get stung for tax, they still are winning hands down over the dealer prices.
Pity more people didn't just import them in themselves. Perhaps it would kick some of these dealers up the arse.
Except for very rare cases like Angel guitars over here, most of the dealers aren't interested in the customer service any more. It's all grab as much as you can and screw us poor bastards into the ground.

Funnily enough, I was looking to upgrade my computer the other day and phoned a very well known company who I have bought from over the past ten years. There was a time when they would take time and talk things over with you..Christ knows were they re-routed my call to the other day, but I couldn't understand a bloody word this guy was talking about. I only phoned for info and the silly bugger is asking me all these questions.Where did I live....How many people live in my house..Did I own it..Would I like to order now....They can go screw themselves in future. They won't be getting my custom that's for sure.

As generankin said in his last post. The best alternative is to know someone who is an American citizen who will walk into the country with it for you.

Gene (generankin) came over to visit recently and kindly offered to bring one over for me. The only reason I didn't take him up on the offer, was that I found an RO (new) for roughly the same price I could have bought it for in the States without having to be hit by tax.. That's because the dealer bought low and passed on some of the savings of the weak dollar to the customer....Me...That's good business, because I'll deal with them again and recommend everyone to him now.

I recently sold an item on e-bay and it turned out the guy who bought it just had a Murphey R9 shipped over....Looked a great guitar. I don't know if he's a member of this forum or not though. I'll try and find out how much they stung him for at customs. I think he paid about $5,000 for it.

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