How to stop bleeding on Auth 58's...

Burstess_es · 12-02-01, 11:58 AM

You know how all the new reissues get that lovely "goop" on the back of the neck? and cloud up finish wise like on black pauls? Well, I was talking with Terry Mcinturff the other day about how his stuff does it and how Gibson stuff does it, and he sent me some polish that works great on any Nitro finish. Its from "Stelling" Banjo Works in Afton, Va. They're a very hi-quality company.

Anyway, I heard about the bleeding on the AUTH necks, so when I got mine, I put some on the back of the neck. It took off the Gibson Goop and when I looked at the cloth, it was red! Every time I played I got goop build-up, I took it off with the polish, then red on the cloth... The red slowly diminished.

I wouldnt use it on anywhere else on an 58 AUTH because it would make it shiny like glass!

I love this stuff.

Chad · 12-02-01, 08:08 PM

Hummm...there isn't any "goop" that I'm aware of on my Y2K R9. Perhaps that's an Authentic only characteristic?

BTW, when I read the title of this thread I thought you were going to be talking about actual blood. I've got blood on my R9 before. In the heat of playing, I have rammed my hand a little hard into the tune-o-matic and thy blood has spilled. Actually, it was a pretty small amount, but I noticed a little blood on the binding and checked my hand. I remembered banging it, but didn't think I hit it THAT hard. Bleeding while playing kinda adds a whole other dimension to the playing experience.

Desertdawg · 12-02-01, 08:54 PM

This doesn't make any sense as the "bleeding" is UNDER the laquer.

I mean, have you stripped off the clearcoat?

Desertdawg · 12-02-01, 08:58 PM

Hey...just a thought. Are the "Authentics" so real that the clearcoat is stripped off? Either way, are you talking about Stelling's "Glyde-Cote" polish at 8 bucks a bottle?

Burstess_es · 12-03-01, 08:17 AM

red came off onto the cloth i used to polish it....

so i dont know if its under the clearcoat or what...

Ed Rafalko · 12-03-01, 08:41 AM

Clear coat is not stripped. The red is bleeding through from underneath because of the way nitro lacquer cures. It evaproates and carries with it some of the dye powder. That's the residue left behind on the clearcoat that you are rubbing off.

Burstess_es · 12-03-01, 09:24 AM

Does it help the bleeding or...

the neck is turning brown quicker, however.

Ed Rafalko · 12-03-01, 09:31 AM

It doesn't HELP the bleeding, I'm not sure if it affects it or not to be honest. My guess is that it's not stoppoing anything- the clearcoat is protecting the red, which is evaproating through the clearcoat rapidly and there's not a whoile lot you can do about it. I suppose that how and when and under what conditions they mix the pore filler 9 where the color flakes are applied) and how and when and under what conditions they spray the lacquer ( how the red is actually spread) can affect how quickly the guiitar fades.

bluestein · 12-03-01, 10:52 AM

I had a problem similar to yours on a 58 RI....

The finish got soft and gummy, and the red came off on my hands.

I sent it back to Gibson, and they refinished the neck.

Seems some of the lacquer wasn't curing properly......

Might be a good idea to take it back to the dealer for a look-over

bluesroom · 12-03-01, 06:19 PM

bluestein,did you go to a service center to show them the problem 1st?Did they ship it to gibson from there?How long did it take for you to get it back?Thanks

six foot ape · 12-03-01, 07:16 PM

It's possible that the laquer had too much retarder in it leaving it un-curable. As well I believe the Authentics use a flattener to achieve it's dull appearence and too much of that additive will do the same thing. They most likely use it in the last two or three coats (maybe all of them to save time in production?) and even though they do buff it out they probably only go to the fist wheel. Either way you should check with the other members who have the same problem and check serial#'s, at least you'll know if it's totally random or if there was a bad lot from the booth.....

bluestein · 12-03-01, 07:18 PM

I first called Gibson Customer Relations. They suggested that I take it to an authorized service center for inspection. I wasn't comfortable with that , so I brought it back to the dealer that I bought it from.

He said no problem and took care of it - He sent it back to gibson for correction.

The work took about 6 - 8 weeks to complete.

Talk with your dealer about the problem.

Ed Rafalko · 12-04-01, 05:09 AM

Non-Authentics fade just as much as Authentics. I don't think it's the matte agent. I think it might be the retarder, but I don't know.
Best way to stop the bleeding is to apply direct pressure right over the wound.

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12-02-01, 11:58 AM	#1
Burstess_es Les Paul Forum Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 72	How to stop bleeding on Auth 58's... You know how all the new reissues get that lovely "goop" on the back of the neck? and cloud up finish wise like on black pauls? Well, I was talking with Terry Mcinturff the other day about how his stuff does it and how Gibson stuff does it, and he sent me some polish that works great on any Nitro finish. Its from "Stelling" Banjo Works in Afton, Va. They're a very hi-quality company. Anyway, I heard about the bleeding on the AUTH necks, so when I got mine, I put some on the back of the neck. It took off the Gibson Goop and when I looked at the cloth, it was red! Every time I played I got goop build-up, I took it off with the polish, then red on the cloth... The red slowly diminished. I wouldnt use it on anywhere else on an 58 AUTH because it would make it shiny like glass! I love this stuff.

12-03-01, 08:17 AM	#5
Burstess_es Les Paul Forum Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 72	yes...white bottle, yellow label... red came off onto the cloth i used to polish it.... so i dont know if its under the clearcoat or what...

12-03-01, 09:24 AM	#7
Burstess_es Les Paul Forum Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 72	So... Does it help the bleeding or... the neck is turning brown quicker, however.

12-02-01, 08:08 PM	#2
Chad Les Paul Forum Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Indiana, USA Posts: 168	Hummm...there isn't any "goop" that I'm aware of on my Y2K R9. Perhaps that's an Authentic only characteristic? BTW, when I read the title of this thread I thought you were going to be talking about actual blood. I've got blood on my R9 before. In the heat of playing, I have rammed my hand a little hard into the tune-o-matic and thy blood has spilled. Actually, it was a pretty small amount, but I noticed a little blood on the binding and checked my hand. I remembered banging it, but didn't think I hit it THAT hard. Bleeding while playing kinda adds a whole other dimension to the playing experience.

12-02-01, 08:54 PM	#3
Desertdawg Les Paul Forum Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Mojave Posts: 1,984	This doesn't make any sense as the "bleeding" is UNDER the laquer. I mean, have you stripped off the clearcoat?

12-02-01, 08:58 PM	#4
Desertdawg Les Paul Forum Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Mojave Posts: 1,984	Hey...just a thought. Are the "Authentics" so real that the clearcoat is stripped off? Either way, are you talking about Stelling's "Glyde-Cote" polish at 8 bucks a bottle?

12-03-01, 08:41 AM	#6
Ed Rafalko Les Paul Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 6,283	Clear coat is not stripped. The red is bleeding through from underneath because of the way nitro lacquer cures. It evaproates and carries with it some of the dye powder. That's the residue left behind on the clearcoat that you are rubbing off.

12-03-01, 09:31 AM	#8
Ed Rafalko Les Paul Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 6,283	It doesn't HELP the bleeding, I'm not sure if it affects it or not to be honest. My guess is that it's not stoppoing anything- the clearcoat is protecting the red, which is evaproating through the clearcoat rapidly and there's not a whoile lot you can do about it. I suppose that how and when and under what conditions they mix the pore filler 9 where the color flakes are applied) and how and when and under what conditions they spray the lacquer ( how the red is actually spread) can affect how quickly the guiitar fades.

12-03-01, 10:52 AM	#9
bluestein Les Paul Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Chicago Posts: 367	I had a problem similar to yours on a 58 RI.... The finish got soft and gummy, and the red came off on my hands. I sent it back to Gibson, and they refinished the neck. Seems some of the lacquer wasn't curing properly...... Might be a good idea to take it back to the dealer for a look-over

12-03-01, 06:19 PM	#10
bluesroom Les Paul Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: NYC Posts: 279	bluestein,did you go to a service center to show them the problem 1st?Did they ship it to gibson from there?How long did it take for you to get it back?Thanks

12-03-01, 07:16 PM	#11
six foot ape Les Paul Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 51	It's possible that the laquer had too much retarder in it leaving it un-curable. As well I believe the Authentics use a flattener to achieve it's dull appearence and too much of that additive will do the same thing. They most likely use it in the last two or three coats (maybe all of them to save time in production?) and even though they do buff it out they probably only go to the fist wheel. Either way you should check with the other members who have the same problem and check serial#'s, at least you'll know if it's totally random or if there was a bad lot from the booth.....

12-03-01, 07:18 PM	#12
bluestein Les Paul Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Chicago Posts: 367	I first called Gibson Customer Relations. They suggested that I take it to an authorized service center for inspection. I wasn't comfortable with that , so I brought it back to the dealer that I bought it from. He said no problem and took care of it - He sent it back to gibson for correction. The work took about 6 - 8 weeks to complete. Talk with your dealer about the problem.

12-04-01, 05:09 AM	#13
Ed Rafalko Les Paul Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 6,283	Non-Authentics fade just as much as Authentics. I don't think it's the matte agent. I think it might be the retarder, but I don't know. Best way to stop the bleeding is to apply direct pressure right over the wound.