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Old 01-25-13, 11:06 AM   #1
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The New 2013 Les Paul Specs

Ok...I don't even know what to call it anymore? It's no longer called an historic, no longer called custom shop...so, what is it officially called?

What is the nut material?

Has the plastic changed? The color?

Hot Hide Glue on just the neck tenon and mortise?

What is a Custom Bucker?

What is the fingerboard wood? Why did they go to a two piece board last year? How did they find a supply of wood this year? (don't answer if it's going to be a drawn out argument)

There is no longer a truss rod condom?

Neck shape...any difference this year?

Body carve....better this year?

Anything else? I know the color of the neck binding is different...anything else?
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I'm going to The House of Guitars on Saturday to check them out!
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I'm going to The House of Guitars on Saturday to check them out!
I just goy back from there and they just got two more R9s and I left with one of them....

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Ok...I don't even know what to call it anymore? It's no longer called an historic, no longer called custom shop...so, what is it officially called?

What is the nut material? Nylon

Has the plastic changed? The color? Yes it is whiter with a yellowish cast for the binding and whiter on the rest.

Hot Hide Glue on just the neck tenon and mortise? Yes.HOT HIDE GLUE

What is a Custom Bucker? Its a custom wound PAF with A3 magnets.

What is the fingerboard wood? Why did they go to a two piece board last year? How did they find a supply of wood this year? (don't answer if it's going to be a drawn out argument) one piece Rosewood. and so far all have been very dark.

There is no longer a truss rod condom? Condom is gone

Neck shape...any difference this year? Yes, less shoulder.

Body carve....better this year? Yes.

Anything else? I know the color of the neck binding is different...anything else? aniline dye on sides and back,Single line Kluson Tuners, 4 degree neck angle,darker knobs,headstock shape like vintage.

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Is is "hot hide glue", or just hide glue?
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Is is "hot hide glue", or just hide glue?
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Ok...I don't even know what to call it anymore? It's no longer called an historic, no longer called custom shop...so, what is it officially called?

What is the nut material? Nylon

Has the plastic changed? The color? Yes it is whiter with a yellowish cast for the binding and whiter on the rest.

Hot Hide Glue on just the neck tenon and mortise? Yes.

What is a Custom Bucker? Its a custom wound PAF with A3 magnets.

What is the fingerboard wood? Why did they go to a two piece board last year? How did they find a supply of wood this year? (don't answer if it's going to be a drawn out argument) one piece Rosewood. and so far all have been very dark.

There is no longer a truss rod condom? Condom is gone

Neck shape...any difference this year? Yes, less shoulder.

Body carve....better this year? Yes.

Anything else? I know the color of the neck binding is different...anything else? aniline dye on sides and back,Single line Klusion Tuners, 4 degree neck angle,darker knobs,headstock shape like vintage.
Thank you...

Boy, I tell you..in the pics I've seen...the nut is so opaque and white...I thought maybe they went back to...what was it? ....corian?

I think they're dying the boards because in their description they even say the fingerboard color is more like the old ones or something like that...how did they find the rosewood? I thought that's why they had to use a two piece system last year...because there wasn't enough madagascar and the Indian was now on the forbidden list....or whatever.
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Shit this sounds great! All this talk about the 2013 specs left me with M A J O R GAS for a R4. I'm dying to see the Goldtop top and back colors. Now if they'd only use long steel studs for the tailpieces....
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I just goy back from there and they just got two more R9s and I left with one of them....

Killer les paul! congrats!
What are the new custom burstbuckers like? curious to what they have done?
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I haven't seen any links to Gibson's website confirming this.
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We need Danelectro to make some serious changes to the Year by Year History of the Historic timeline sticky.

Cogs, can you edit that?
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Ok...I don't even know what to call it anymore? It's no longer called an historic, no longer called custom shop...so, what is it officially called?

What is the nut material? Nylon

Has the plastic changed? The color? Yes it is whiter with a yellowish cast for the binding and whiter on the rest.

Hot Hide Glue on just the neck tenon and mortise? Yes.HOT HIDE GLUE

What is a Custom Bucker? Its a custom wound PAF with A3 magnets.

What is the fingerboard wood? Why did they go to a two piece board last year? How did they find a supply of wood this year? (don't answer if it's going to be a drawn out argument) one piece Rosewood. and so far all have been very dark.

There is no longer a truss rod condom? Condom is gone

Neck shape...any difference this year? Yes, less shoulder.

Body carve....better this year? Yes.

Anything else? I know the color of the neck binding is different...anything else? aniline dye on sides and back,Single line Kluson Tuners, 4 degree neck angle,darker knobs,headstock shape like vintage.
What is with Gibson using A3 mags in so many of the sig LP's (Page, Clapton, etc.) and now the reissues?. I don't think A3 was used much or at all on the originals. Is it that A3 more closely gets the sound of an aged vintage PAF pickup with (originally A5 or whatever) mags in the PU's?.

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What is with Gibson using A3 mags in so many of the sig LP's (Page, Clapton, etc.) and now the reissues?. I don't think A3 was used much or at all on the originals. Is it that A3 more closely gets the sound of an aged vintage PAF pickup with (originally A5 or whatever) mags in the PU's?.

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IDKW Gibson is using A3 mags but the gits I've tried with them seem to be a tad warmer and rounder sounding than A2 mags.

Never been a fan of A5 mags as they sound harsher and more abrupt.

While the highs are sweeter with A3 mags the lows seem a bit mushy and lacking focus.

An A3-A2-A5 (EB-GD-AE) mag combination for pole piece mag pups could be a winner.
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They have always been called Historic's and they still are.
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Not sure why they went to A3 for so many of their new winds -- maybe it was the buzz word when they had the meeting that quarter and that's what stuck. I don't find them to be anything special and prefer A2s as well, for the most part. But then again, Gibson has been missing the mark with their pups for several decades now, hence the huge market for boutique stuff.
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Now if they'd only use long steel studs for the tailpieces....
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Neck shape...any difference this year? Yes, less shoulder.

Body carve....better this year? Yes.
Has both of those points been officially stipulated or is it merely speculation?
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Has both of those points been officially stipulated or is it merely speculation?
I own two 2013 R9s.
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I've used many A3 magnets with great success in PAF types....not as hard and strident as an A5 or as compressed as an A2.

I like A4 as well, matter of fact i mix and A2 in P-90s with very good results.

Remember much depends on the amount of charge in any given magnet.

The only A5 i like is a really weakened (or degaussed) version.
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If you're going to try to tweak your Burstbuckers, etc. with an A3, you might be in for a surprise. Many luthier supply shops send their A3 and A4 humbucker magnets completely degaussed (they have never been charged). You have to use a pair of strong neodymium magnets to put a charge on them. The good news is that you can actually tweak them using the same magnets while they're in your pickups mounted on your guitar.
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All of this info on A3 mags is appreciated, but what I'm still trying to figure out is why Gibson seems to be using them in the "clone" guitars so much, like the Page and Beano LP's. I'm thinking that in trying to replicate the sound of the original pickups, which probably had A5 or A2 originally, and A3 more closely replicates the sound of those vintage pickups after all these years of aging to the originals. Just something I noticed and wondered about.

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All of this info on A3 mags is appreciated, but what I'm still trying to figure out is why Gibson seems to be using them in the "clone" guitars so much, like the Page and Beano LP's. I'm thinking that in trying to replicate the sound of the original pickups, which probably had A5 or A2 originally, and A3 more closely replicates the sound of those vintage pickups after all these years of aging to the originals. Just something I noticed and wondered about.

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It's probably a case of "if all else fails, use A3" ...it's a great all-rounder.
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I own two 2013 R9s.
Here is the Iced tea burst..
So you can see a clear difference in top carve and neck shape from 2012 Historic's? ...the only reason I ask is because I've not seen any mention of top carve and neck shape being different in 2013.
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All of this info on A3 mags is appreciated, but what I'm still trying to figure out is why Gibson seems to be using them in the "clone" guitars so much, like the Page and Beano LP's. I'm thinking that in trying to replicate the sound of the original pickups, which probably had A5 or A2 originally, and A3 more closely replicates the sound of those vintage pickups after all these years of aging to the originals. Just something I noticed and wondered about.

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- The definition of A2,A3,A5 were not cast in stone then and are not cast now.
- Technology some 60 years ago was different - less 'precise' while making alloys for magnets ...

So, it just might be the case that today's A3 is tonally closer to 50's A2 then today's A2.

Also if the WIND on these has not changed from regular Burstbuckers to 'Custom' Bursbuckers (and the WIND is the key ingredient to any pickup's tone) - A3 can help in taming those nasty peaks in highs in bridge pickup and it also makes higher positions of unwound strings less thin sounding which happens when coils are unbalanced ... This was the good side.

Now the other one - current A3 can not be charged/magnetized as much as A2 - so even if the overall tone of Custom Burstbucker might be closer to a good PAF it will not have dynamics and punch of a good PAF - kind of 'a bit warmer sounding T-Top' ...

Too put it simply - if the regular Burstbucker's were described as too 'hot' for a PAF replica then Custom Burstbuckers will be not 'hot' enough for a PAF replica.

But with all the positive changes that are happening at this moment (glue,trussrod etc) this one will also be perceived as a good one by most, although it is actually not positive - it is neutral. However, most of us got tired of listening selling and replacing BBs and since every change IS good, let's enjoy this one while honeymoon lasts ... and even the SD put an A3 in bridge of that Joe Bonamassa set ...
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Guys...what are the guitars officially called now? Gibson Les Paul and (whatever year they're copying) reissue....no custom shop or historic in the title?

Is the nut still being made from the 6/6 nylon or whatever...it looks so white compared to when they first switched back to nylon...or does it?

Also, the plastic looks like it has that pinkish hue again..is that just the photography?]

Other than the A3 mags what other differences in the custom buckers? Materials, scattered wind, uneven coils ????
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Also, the plastic looks like it has that pinkish hue again..is that just the photography?


Looks whiter to me looking at poon99's pics as above.
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- Too put it simply - if the regular Burstbucker's were described as too 'hot' for a PAF replica then Custom Burstbuckers will be not 'hot' enough for a PAF replica.

But with all the positive changes that are happening at this moment (glue,trussrod etc) this one will also be perceived as a good one by most, although it is actually not positive - it is neutral. ...
i'm not as worldly experienced as some here ..i have played a lester from one period or another consistently for,gasp,38 yrs..what you've said here is consistent with my 2010 R8.The BB's are too hot to be a PAF replica.But they sound great.I wouldn't change them for the world.Just have to back off the tone controls,particularly the mids and bass.Can't imagine a pickup paf replica thats weaker than original pafs ...imho,the changes are cool,i welcome them,and i will be hard pressed to hear a difference.I wouldn't trade my 2007 Warren Haynes 072 for a new 2013 "R",the wood on my WH is simply too good(as are the pups)....or my 2010 R8,for that matter.Hide glue neck joint and trussrod upgrade won't change the fact my 2 R8's are magnificent instruments.
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It seems to me that they are referring to the guitars as "Reissue" guitars now, and not Historic. I'm not positive, but that looks like what most sites are calling them.

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Is is "hot hide glue", or just hide glue?
"Hot" hide glue means nothing IMHO. It tells us nothing about the glue's strength, hardness, and creep properties. If they are using hot urea modified hide glue (for longer glue-up working times and longer pot life) then they would be better off using Titebond PVA. Urea modified hide glue is soft, and will creep like crazy. Similarly, but not as dramatically, if they are using too low of a gram weight glue (also for longer glue-up working time), then the hardness and strength of glue would also be compromised.

But Gibson would never sacrifice true quality for the sake of better marketing bullets, would they? Well, maybe they ARE doing it right, but the "hot hide glue" spec doesn't tell us that.

Class A, True Bypass, Hot Hide Glue... all marketing tools.
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For 2013 features, curious how Gibson "colors" the fretboard:

"Also, the fretboard and body binding has been darkened color-wise for a more vintage-accurate look. "
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I really don't know what the words "historic" & "reissue" mean anymore.
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Re: The New 2013 Les Paul Specs

the worst part about this whole thing is how Gibson is advertising these new models with "1 Piece Boards!", where was this type of acknowledgment when they weren't 1 piece?!...very shady!
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Re: The New 2013 Les Paul Specs

I just put this up on the "2012" thread but it should have been over here:

Observations on 2013 R7 7 3037 at Wildwood:

I had to stop by the store today and spent about an hour with the guitar listed above - mostly due to curiousity by some of the points raised here. Very unscientific observations:

The tuners look very nice to me, both the button and the gear case. Yes, the very top of the capstan is slightly domed.

The Gibson logo is in the same position as my own 2010 Hysteric, but it is made from darker, tinted material.

The nut is made from the same nylon material as my 2010 and is the same color when viewed in person.

As Slub has already posted, the fret board is nice and dark with the newer style "celluloid" (simulated celluloid??) material.

The binding is slightly darker and is also painted with a darker coat of lacquer.

The neck pickup is very clear and just slightly less hot than Custom Buckers on the Wildwood Spec guitars (slightly more subdued than the Wildwood Spec pickup when compared to the BurstBucker I).

The bridge pickup is much more subdued than any PAF clone I've heard from Gibson and sounds absolutely glorious (seriously). It compresses with just average attack and blooms with that squish-splatt treble statement. If this is typical (don't have any idea), I think it's a landscape changer with regard to Gibson and their in-house pups.

Neck angle is slightly more pronounced than my 2010. The strings clear the bridge pup frame by 1/8" with very low action. My 2010 is slightly more than half that with the exact same action height.

The guitar was set up extremely well: Zero relief, treble-side clearance at 3/64 and bass at 4/64 (twelth fret). No buzz with big bends and stiff attack, all the way up to 22.

Standard TOM, wireless ABR. The tail piece is held down by longer studs (3/16" longer than previous stock Gibson). The studs are still brass and I held a few new "extras" from Gibson Custom in my hand to compare. I was told that the steel anchors are also longer but did not see an example.

To my eyes and in excellent flourescent light, the top carve looked the same as my 2010 model ('55 "refin"). My guitar is a gloss-burst and the new R7 is VOS'd which makes this comparison a little more challenging. Both guitars show a flatter pickup deck and a concave edge gully around the tail bouts when compared to years before 2009. I didn't measure any of this; it's all by visual comparison.

The gold color is a tinge darker and definitely shows that greenish hue in the shadows. The back/neck color is also darker and IMO, much more attractive. 'Reminds me of an old piano.

Pickup rings and pickguard are exactly the same color as those on my 2010.

The "badge" on the pick guard is a paper/plastic sticker and it comes off. The badge on the selector plate (back) is metalic and stays on.

The new Lifton-style brown case is better than an example from a decade ago but it still isn't good enough (latches). There is more padding around the edges and back panel.

In general: A fantastic new LP! I'm not in the market - I don't collect and I have the right Les Paul already (2010 '55 Refin with wrapover). My guitar was slightly louder and a bit brighter than the 2013, but I'll avoid further comparisons due to their subjectivity.

Oh: The neck did - without question - appear to be glued to the body of the guitar. It did not move, at all.
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