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Old 04-27-12, 08:49 PM   #1
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Are thre any 2002 R9's?

I NEVER see any of these anywhere. Any one here have one? Not signature models.
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They were not cheap when they came out (as I recall, an R-9 price increase went into effect on the 2002's, no?), and compared with R-9 production totals from years after '02, not terribly many were produced in that year. I also seem to remember Ronn David having a handful of nice-looking ones on his Vintage World site right after these guitars debuted, and that all of that handful had eastern maple tops with fairly "big" figure. Anyway, you're right — not too many pics of the 2002's have surfaced around here lately.
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Re: Are thre any 2002 R9's?



Not mine, I found it in the files.








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Old 04-27-12, 11:08 PM   #4
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Re: Are thre any 2002 R9's?

The 2002 seem to be pretty rare. I just checked the HLPDB and there are only 3 out of 270 total R9s
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Re: Are thre any 2002 R9's?

I owned a 2002 R9 that I bought from Ronn David. There was some unique feature that appeared that year.I can't remember specifically but it could have been the first year for
BB caps or something like that. I remember the R9 having a very nice "big "Top", and was expensive; I don't think they made a lot of em that year. I kept it for a few months and ended up selling it and buying another R9. I don't recall it being a particularly great sounding R9, it was heavy and not that conductive tone-wise,
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Good to see you here, Robert — haven't seen you post in a while, hope you're well these days.

Here's a Vintage World pic of one of these guitars; not sure what serial number this one was, but this was one of the handful that VW had, that had eastern maple tops with big figure:
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....and here's another '02 that was originally at VW:
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Re: Are thre any 2002 R9's?

There were only around 300 '59's built in 2002 and they were only available at about 4-5 dealers. They sold for $5500.00 and they came with some extra goodies including a Gibson Jacket. Some new exclusive appointments that then showed up on the whole line in 2003, new inlays and tuner alignment. Also exclusive to those guitars was NOS CTS pots and special yellow caps which then were covered in the plastic shell and became the Bumblebees in 2003. First guitars to have the lighter colored gold knobs as still currently being used instead of the previous dark amber color.
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Yep, and you forgot the no-wire ABR-1 bridge, which is the same as the pre-2009 version except not drilled for the retaining wire, and AFAIK only installed on 2002 R9s.
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Good to see you here, Robert — haven't seen you post in a while, hope you're well these days.

Here's a Vintage World pic of one of these guitars; not sure what serial number this one was, but this was one of the handful that VW had, that had eastern maple tops with big figure:
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I owned that one, Jimmy Murray has it now!
Here is a picture of it....far right..
I remember the big gullwing flame above the tailpiece..

I top would go from almost plain to killer depending on the angle.. very cool guitar.
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A "special order" '02 R9, with Braz, Murphy painted and aged, vintage '59 profile neck, hand selected wood, and weighing it at 7.6 lbs., unchambered (and now sporting a set of vintage zebra PAFs):




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Ronn David's Vintage World was located about a mile from my home. In 2002, I dropped in to look around. The R8's had figured tops that year so I checked out both the R8's and R9's Ronn had on the wall. The R9's were going for (if I remember correctly) about $5K and change. The R8's, which looked pretty close to the R9's, were going for $3K plus change. I figured I'd save myself $2K so I walked out with an 2002 R8 for $3,200. See below...





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Is that guitar part of the law suit thing where Gibson made a pair of very close replicas?
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There were only around 300 '59's built in 2002 and they were only available at about 4-5 dealers. They sold for $5500.00 and they came with some extra goodies including a Gibson Jacket. Some new exclusive appointments that then showed up on the whole line in 2003, new inlays and tuner alignment. Also exclusive to those guitars was NOS CTS pots and special yellow caps which then were covered in the plastic shell and became the Bumblebees in 2003. First guitars to have the lighter colored gold knobs as still currently being used instead of the previous dark amber color.
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Is that guitar part of the law suit thing where Gibson made a pair of very close replicas?
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Not mine, I found it in the files.








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2002 was a big year for the '59 changes:
BB2 & BB3 (later on in the production cycle the 58s got them too).
Non-Gibson marked Klusons. Plain, not marked with Kluson either.
Wireless ABR (with bridge pieces that fall out).
Thinner jackplate and toggle switch.
Sharp inlays.
Tuning pegs lined up correctly.
Better coloration on knobs.
Lifton case.
A bunch of "goodies" - framed Les Paul 'swatch', cable, strap, etc.

The 59s went for $5,500 ($1,000 more than the 1999s) and the 58s (washed cherry and flametop) went for about $3,200.

When they started production on the 2003s, I believe that every model started getting these features (but they changed to BB1 & BB2) and the priced dropped back to $4,500 for the 59s.
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2002 was a big year for the '59 changes:
BB2 & BB3 (later on in the production cycle the 58s got them too).
Non-Gibson marked Klusons. Plain, not marked with Kluson either.
Wireless ABR (with bridge pieces that fall out).
Thinner jackplate and toggle switch.
Sharp inlays.
Tuning pegs lined up correctly.
Better coloration on knobs.
Lifton case.
A bunch of "goodies" - framed Les Paul 'swatch', cable, strap, etc.

The 59s went for $5,500 ($1,000 more than the 1999s) and the 58s (washed cherry and flametop) went for about $3,200.

When they started production on the 2003s, I believe that every model started getting these features (but they changed to BB1 & BB2) and the priced dropped back to $4,500 for the 59s.
A few thinds to clarify here.
BB where 1 and 2 and that is the year they started un officially the PU's in the 02' 59's where the transition BB's with no PAT No. Sticker.
The Tuners where marked.
The Lifton started in 01'
In 03' more changes went into effect that remained till 09'
The price was dropped and BRW was added.
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The Lifton started in 01'
Didn't the '99 R9s have a Lifton as one of two cases ?
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Todd,

It may well be that my tuners were the only ones that were blank, but they were.

With regards to BB2&3 vs BB1&2: It is something that I recall, as I also recall that for 2003 they went to BB1&2 to be more "vintage". I seem to recall some discussion here about that but, alas alak, age may be playing tricks with my memory!

But, it seems to be something that Danelectro recalls as that's how he has things written up in the Historic LP transitions/changes.

I pulled mine out and there were no markings of BB#. Don't recall PAF sticker, but I can check.
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I think they also made the switch in 2002 to the 500k linear cts pots, however, the markings were on the backs in 2002 and on the side starting in 2003.
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Todd,

It may well be that my tuners were the only ones that were blank, but they were.

With regards to BB2&3 vs BB1&2: It is something that I recall, as I also recall that for 2003 they went to BB1&2 to be more "vintage". I seem to recall some discussion here about that but, alas alak, age may be playing tricks with my memory!

But, it seems to be something that Danelectro recalls as that's how he has things written up in the Historic LP transitions/changes.

I pulled mine out and there were no markings of BB#. Don't recall PAF sticker, but I can check.
But remember the Custom Authentic had the real first BB's and they could have had the 2 and 3...I think they did...
I have a CA from 05' I have to look at the BB there in storage....
That is cool about you tuner...I don't think I've seen that.

In all the 02' where a hodgepodge of things a real transition year to say the least... To the modern Historic. or the 03' to 08' era.
But in truth the 09' really didn't have much change.
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Didn't the '99 R9s have a Lifton as one of two cases ?
Not all of them just certain ones.
The anniversary one's had the lifton and you got a Hard Boud BOTB copy.
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Not all of them just certain ones.
The anniversary one's had the lifton and you got a Hard Boud BOTB copy.
Yepp, and why did you say 2001 then ? Wasn't all the '99 R9s Anniversaries ? My '99 R9 has a orignial Lifton, and a original 'soft' BOTB.
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Yepp, and why did you say 2001 then ? Wasn't all the '99 R9s Anniversaries ? My '99 R9 has a orignial Lifton, and a original 'soft' BOTB.
No the reg 99' came with the old case.
It was in 01' that it was stand issue for the 59'
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Okay, whats the difference between a regular '99, and a Annversary '99 ?
And how can one spot the difference ?
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Okay, whats the difference between a regular '99, and a Anniversary '99 ?
And how can one spot the difference ?

Anyone ?
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Seriously, two cases and hardback copy of BOTB book........

Technically, same guitar, but like the 2009 gold coa, all the 2009's were technically
an anniversary........

I think the 99's had coa's and Murphy painted 100 of them.......

Some R9K Killer Tops that year.....

Frank or Mike could really nail down the differences.......

Some Plain Tops were also available.......

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Frank
Frank, I think that is the rarest Historic out there, and the nicest.....

A grand trophy......
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ALL 1999 R9's were considered 40th Annv. guitars. They ALL came with the black case and when the warranty was sent in, Gibson then shipped the customer the brown reissue Lifton case which included the case candy. I sold many of these guitars in that year and never heard or saw one thing about 2 different models.
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The 2002 R9's did have Burstbucker 2&3's and many had zebra coils. I removed the covers on a number of the '59's I had. There also were some different tuners on some of the R9's. I know that Ronn David from Vintage World bought reissue single line Kluson tuners and put them on many of his guitars that he sold. If I remember right, the pots may have been linear and they were all NOS pots that dated anywhere from the '60's to early '80's.
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ALL 1999 R9's were considered 40th Annv. guitars.
Just what I thought. Thanks Mark.

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